Samuels Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Post all senior bowl practice info here. I've read that Dave Ball looked great againest both pass and run and will be a steal in the 3rd.This guy got 16.5 sacks and led the nation with Udeze both are pac10 players. Greg Jones and Cobbs were the best RB's. Greg Jones was completly shredded and had scouts drooling they said he's probably like 3% bodyfat at 250lbs. Darnell Dockett was a beast weighing in at 292lbs. I'll post some more info has the day goes along. NFLdraftblitz has a write up and so does kffl in the draft section it's always updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCS:BraveCaringSoul Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 I've read that Dave Ball looked great ... Could you post the article and/or link where you read that please. TIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuels Posted January 20, 2004 Author Share Posted January 20, 2004 6 Things that stood out today about the South squad.... 1. Rod Davis at middle linebacker - I have liked this guy all year but he seemed to drop on some boards because of speed issues. He was a little too juiced but he was constantly around the ball. He lost a bit of weight and was very fast off the snap. 2. Devery Henderson at wide receiver - I have to admit I was shocked. So many people are enamored with Michael Clayton now that he has declared but Henderson was not only the best receiver on the field, he was probably the fastest. Henderson threw some double moves that made some good db's like Keiwan Ratliff look like dog **** (and Florida beat LSU...wow..shocker after watching him get through Ratliff and Gus Scott). I would have to say Henderson helped his stock more than any other player I saw out there today...if he does this consistently all week and has some good workouts he could go before Clayton...I am not lying on that one folks...he was outstanding. 3. J.P. Losman and Philip Rivers - For guys that are borderline first round picks they did everything in their power to move into the 3rd round today. Losman made a lot of throws and reads that were very slow. Seemed like the patterns and plays were moving too fast for him. Seemed like he was more interested in showing everyone what a big arm he had and that was all. Philip Rivers spent a lot of time with the coaching staff as mechanics were discussed (surprise). He was the better of the two Qb's but that isn't saying much. I can forgive his performance because it looked like they were messing with his release point after his first throwing session. He kept his head up and kept plugging away. Matt Schaub looked better than both of these guys, he didn't have a great day but he didn't make any major mistakes. 4. Darnell Dockett and Dave Ball - Best defensive lineman I saw. Despite leading the NCAA in sacks I did not think Ball was all that and thought he benefitted more from the play of Rodney Leisle and the double teams he commanded. If Ball continues to play like this I will eat my words. What I like is he was strong against the run, not just the pass. Funnelled a lot of plays inside and kept the edge sealed...all-around a fantastic day. One guy I have been high on that looked good was Darnell Dockett at defenisve tackle. He wasn't flawless but I think he showed he can play in the middle and can keep his speed. He put on about 10 pounds and weighed in at 292. Dockett was the most active player and showed more power than I gave him credit for previously. In traditional Dockett style he wanted to mix it up with the lineman a few times and there was a scrap involving him and Alan Reuber of Texas A&M. 5. Greg Jones - If this guy doesn't pan out as a football player than I think he could become a pro bodybuilder. In my travels in NFL locker rooms I have always maintained that Tony Gonzalez had the best athletic physique I have ever seen (just an observation....no homosexual inuendos please). That was put to rest today when I saw Greg Jones take off his pads. It was obvious that this was planned and he wanted to show off but when you are built like that who wouldn't. He is a god damn monster! It is hard to believe that this guy is 250 pounds. I wish they would have body fat measurements at the weigh-in's because he has to be at like 3%. Jones had the best runs of the day, Cedric Cobbs had the most work but Jones had the best runs bar none. 6. Where are the corners?- nobody in the secondary stood out at all for the South. I don't know if they all overslept or if the receivers are that good but I was not in awe of any safety or cornerback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuels Posted January 20, 2004 Author Share Posted January 20, 2004 Monday afternoon... With both teams working out at the same time, had to make a choice of who to watch...went with the North team for no other reason than its in our name too!! ...players worked out in helmets and shells; obviously no contact (or at least not much)...the weather wasn't the most hospitable for playing football with cool temps in the low 40s and a greasy field...the most impressive player on the day on the North squad was Southern Cal WR Keary Colbert who made a couple of acrobatic catches, showing good hands and body control...Ohio State WR Michael Jenkins was also solid...another veteran Big 10 WR, Mo Brown of Iowa struggled on the other hand; Brown was slow getting into his routes and didn't show much acceleration; he also often didn't always appear to be on the same page as the QB...Oregon State WR James Newson also had an up-and-down day, making a number of nice catches, but also dropping a couple when he appeared to lose concentration...Utah State TE Chris Cooley did a nice job snapping and had a couple of scouts commenting that he might make it as a short-snapper; Cooley also showed some decent receiving skills although he appeared to be a little slow coming out of his breaks on occasion...Pitt TE Kris Wilson, another pass receiving TE prospect, also showed good hands, but appeared to be somewhat stiff and not overly athletic...Michigan QB John Navarre looked good; he had plenty of zip on the ball throwing mostly short and intermediate routes; Navarre also had decent footwork in the pocket for a man his size; he also showed good poise and leadership on the field; one team that appaered to play very close attention to Navarre was the Giants...Washington QB Cody Pickett also had a solid day one, throwing the ball efficiently although his timing appeared slightly off on occasson in the 7-on-7 drills; overall Pickett reminded a little of Patriots' QB Tom Brady...Bowling Green QB Josh Harris, ho is trying to prove to scouts that he is more than just a very athletic QB, showed decent arm strength and very good accuracy, but it was obvious that he needs a lot of work on his mechanics, particularly his footwork...Notre Dame RB Julius Jones stood out among the RBs; Jones was very quick into the hole; he also showed good hands catching the ball coming out of the backfield; while a bit of straight line runner, Jones did show decent acceleartion and body lean...Northern Illinois RB Michael Turner also showed good straight N-S speed, but not much in the way of agility or athleticism...Minnesota FB Thomas Tapeh had a couple of solid isolation blocks and had scouts from the Browns paying particular attention...Pitt FB Lousaka Polite also was solid...on the other side of the ball, Southern Cal CB Will Poole looked very smooth coming out of his back-pedal, while Oklahoma CB Derrick Strait stood out in one-on-one coverage with a couple of pass break ups...unheralded Montana State CB Joey Thomas also showed he belonged holding up well when asked to cover some of the big-name receivers in Mobile...a couple of Big 10 safeties were also flying around the field...Purdue FS Stuart Schweigert was also solid matching up one-on-one with a number of TEs and RBs, while Iowa SS Bob Sanders was very aggressive, delivering one real pop on NIU's Turner...meanwhile, one scout commented that the North LBs weren't very strong; Ted Lehman of Oklahoma was the best of the bunch, although Nebraska LB Demorrio Williams also showed good range, but looked awfully light...Will get my first look at the South when they work out tomorrow morning; then its back to the North in the afternoon session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuels Posted January 20, 2004 Author Share Posted January 20, 2004 Cedric Cobbs is carrying his late-season momentum into the Senior Bowl. Chris Graythen/Getty Images MOBILE, Ala. -- "The check is in the mail," and "I'll call you," are two of the biggest lies known to mankind. If there was a third to be added to this group and it came from the NFL scouting community, it probably would read: "You can only help yourself at an an All-Star game." With that in mind, almost 100 of the nation's top senior players gathered for the annual Senior Bowl to help themselves in the eyes the NFL. This is considered one of the biggest weeks in scouting leading up to the draft. The largest collection of scouts, coaches and personnel people from NFL teams will be able to line the field and watch future players in full contact. The action started early in the morning as everyone gathered at the Adams Mark Hotel for weigh-ins. The most impressive specimen was Iowa safety Bob Sanders, who looked as though he had just stepped from the stage of a Mr. Universe contest. Sanders measured only 5-feet-8 1/2 inches but carried 203 pounds of pure muscle on his frame. Both the North and South squads took to the field for practice in the afternoon and there were several good performances. A pair of SEC skill players stood out. Arkansas running back Cedric Cobbs, coming off a brilliant senior campaign, continued his swing up the draft boards. Cobbs ran with terrific speed, explosion and power, breaking several long runs. Off the heels of a BCS championship, former LSU receiver Devery Henderson stood out and was solid all afternoon. Henderson made all the catches and displayed a good amount of speed throughout his practice. Two more ball handlers that showed well for themselves were Notre Dame running back Julius Jones and Oregon State receiver James Newson. Jones hit the hole hard during his practice while Newson was consistent making all the receptions and picking up yardage after the catch. Of the passers in attendance, former Wolverines quarterback John Navarre had the best session. Displaying surprising arm strength, Navarre was accurate and put terrific touch on his throws during his session. Speaking of the signal callers, North Carolina State's Philip Rivers drew mixed reviews. Very accurate in the short-passing game, Rivers displayed timing and touch on his throws. Yet the longer down the field he was asked to toss the ball, the more of an adventure it became. One pro personnel director in attendance applauded Rivers for his leadership skills and abilities. But when all is said and done, he considered Rivers a strong-armed version of Danny Wuerffel. Several others had fine showings. Texas A&M offensive tackle Alan Reuber looked like a man among boys, measuring in at 6-feet-6, 309-pounds, then proceeded to play like one, dominating the opposition and opening big holes on the line of scrimmage. Linebacker Teddy Lehman of Oklahoma, considered by many as one of the nation's most underrated prospects, may have well been the best defensive player of the day. Lehman matched his quick thinking skills with explosive athletic ability and was all over the field, running down ball carriers then tackling them to the ground. Another Sooners defender, cornerback Derrick Strait, also had a solid outing. Strait was very consistent in coverage and never got beat. He was so good that the quarterbacks from the North squad started looking away from him. It was not all peaches and cream for everyone as a few players did not distinguish themselves. Auburn defensive tackle DeMarco McNeil, Mississippi State's Tommy Kelly and Syracuse receiver Johnnie Morant all had very tough outings. There are two more important days of practice in which players can continue to impress scouts or quickly reverse the misfortunes of today. By Wednesday's practice, more than 500 scouts and coaches are expected to be lining the field and deciding about the futures of their franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Master Jay Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Dave Ball is a lunch pail type also, he would be a great 2nd or 3rd round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuels Posted January 20, 2004 Author Share Posted January 20, 2004 Bob Sanders is a stud if he were 5 inches taller he'd be a very high pick at SS. He could be a steal in rd3 despite being 5-9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuels Posted January 20, 2004 Author Share Posted January 20, 2004 Getting back to player interviews; another player very busy today was Tim Anderson. The Steelers pulled him aside for a length of time as did the Washington Redskins. In fact Redskins scout Trevor Balke spoke extensively with Anderson. On his behalf Balke has a solid eye for talent on the line and was responsible for the Jets drafting Ryan Young in the seventh round five years ago. Prior to his injury of 2002, Young was an outstanding line prospect and started for the Jets as a rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 wow, that was a lot of info there. thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 very good post I still want S Taylor however comma I wonder if we will trade down to grab a bunch of the lunch pail smart types to fill out the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. D Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 feel like I was there..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsNation Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 SEAN TAYLOR - 6'3 233 LBS- The size of today's atheletes is starting to get out of hand. Roy Williams of Dallas is 6'0 225 and we thought he was big. S.Taylor can double as LB if he lifts even a few weights. This guy in the middle of the field may kill someone. Not to metion he would be awesome to bring up into the box on running downs and coming through on blitzes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 I like the gay thing with Greg Jones lol Here's what I can see happening: Ben Roethlisberger somehow falling to us at 5---we trade down to is it 8 or 9? Udeze somehow falls to us there. So we grab another 2nd rounder. Udeze Sean Jones or Ben Watson Stu Schweigert or Greg Jones I would typically want to go DLine with the first two picks but I don't think you pass on Jones or Watson if they are available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Originally posted by Ghost Who Talks I like the gay thing with Greg Jones lol Here's what I can see happening: Ben Roethlisberger somehow falling to us at 5---we trade down to is it 8 or 9? Udeze somehow falls to us there. So we grab another 2nd rounder. Udeze Sean Jones or Ben Watson Stu Schweigert or Greg Jones I would typically want to go DLine with the first two picks but I don't think you pass on Jones or Watson if they are available. I've considered the possibility of Ben Roethlisberger falling to us for awhile, and I don't think it helps us all that much. Detroit, Atlanta, Cleveland, Jacksonville, and Houston pick after us. Every single one of those teams is set at QB, so I find it unlikely that anyone would try to trade all the way up to #5 overall to snag him. Skipping over the Steelers at #11 who might have an interest, you have the Jets, Bills, and Bears, all of whom will no doubt address another position. So unfortunately, I don't think Ben falling is the answer in terms of trade leverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Hmm... something just popped into my head. Ogunleye is a RFA. The Dolphins pick at #20 and want a QB. Can you negotiate compensation on RFAs in the same manner that many franchises do with Franchise players? And if so, would you trade the #5 for the #20 and rights to Ogunleye? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montilar Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Utah State TE Chris Cooley did a nice job snapping and had a couple of scouts commenting that he might make it as a short-snapper; Cooley also showed some decent receiving skills although he appeared to be a little slow coming out of his breaks on occasion... I think they meant long snap.... Unless they've come up with a new way to snap for kicks. "Here, take the ball and hand it to the punter so he can kick it..." Even better. He can possibly long snap. I can just see Gibbs going up to him and saying "we want you, so come off the line slow a few times to make sure someone doesn't take you first." They didn't mention the most inportant thing? How did he do blocking? :laugh: seems to be some TE possibilities this year. cooley, hartsock, Watson, Troupe. And the hyped due to the name as well as talent Winslow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman56 Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 I love that the Giants are interested in John Navarre. He is basically a Kerry Collins clone. Adequate at best. Never going to win you a game, but always has potential to lose you the game. This is coming from a Michigan grad who has suffered years of agony waiting for Navarre to play up to his potential. Despite all the negatives, scouts still drool over him because he's 6'6". Go ahead, Giants. You can have him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Fakeman Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 I never want a Kerry Collins. I want a Patrick Ramsey with protection...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Even Madder Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 But when all is said and done, he considered Rivers a strong-armed version of Danny Wuerffel. Uhhh... this is odd. First of all, if Danny had an arm he might still be playing football, so being a strong-armed Danny wouldn't be such a bad thing. But Rivers doesn't have a strong arm! He's got a noodle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins26 Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 This is working out perfect right now. Sean Taylor will likely be there when we pick at five and that is wonderful! Then Greg Jones will almost definitly be there when we pick at 5th in the 2nd round. If we take Taylor in the first and Jones in the second, thatd be AWESOME!!! I also like Julius Jones from Notre Dame too, he's a sleeper. But nobody has size like Greg Jones, he's an absolute freak. Here is a picture of Greg Jones before this past season: Now that guy is ready to play some NFL football!!!!!!!!!:applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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