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Renegade7 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 On 1/10/2023 at 5:15 PM, CousinsCowgirl84 said: Buttery males and document trails! Can’t indict trump now 😏🙃🧌🔥🔥🔥🤪 "Hell yea, we got Trump by the balls, now, yo..." *Biden does same thing we got Trump by the balls for... "Omg, c'mon, man..." 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 14 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: *Biden does same thing we got Trump by the balls for... You sure about that? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 10 minutes ago, Califan007 The Constipated said: You sure about that? It looks the same but tastes different 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Califan007 The Constipated said: You sure about that? I'm not trying to hear the excuses of him having classified docs in his garage in Delaware...this is a collasal f up, regardless of the intent... Edited January 13 by Renegade7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 3 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: I'm not trying to hear the excuses of him having classified docs in his garage in Delaware...this is a collasal f up, regardless of the intent... So in other words, you're not sure lol... We "got Trump by the balls" for obstruction of justice. I missed the part in the Biden story where he did the same thing, so you'll have to point it out to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Califan007 The Constipated said: So in other words, you're not sure lol... We "got Trump by the balls" for obstruction of justice. I missed the part in the Biden story where he did the same thing, so you'll have to point it out to me. Please, stop defending this. The thing that got me about the Trump and docs thing and how long this is taking even to get him for that is that if I did that, I'd be in jail right now. So don't "Biden's not obstructing justice" me, talking he's a good person and he's co-operating, I'm a good person and would be in jail if I did even what Biden did. That I'm sure of, and makes me wonder how common it is. Did Obama, Bush, and Clinton do it, too? Edited January 13 by Renegade7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 5 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: Please, stop defending this. I'm not defending anything, I'm correcting you. Because you were wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Califan007 The Constipated said: I'm not defending anything, I'm correcting you. Because you were wrong. Wrong about what? That they both had classified material at their personal residence? If that's true, I stand by my statement I don't really care about the reason, it's another one of those different rules for different folks situation that people can have as much fun with the outcome as they want. I'm disappointed and no way to really make me feel better about it. This was so easy to call Trump out for, not anymore... Edited January 13 by Renegade7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 3 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: Wrong about what? That they both had classified material at their personal residence? "*Biden does same thing we got Trump by the balls for..." We didn't have Trump by the balls for taking classified documents. We have him by the balls for obstruction of justice. That's it. The FBI didn't raid Mar-A-Lago because he took classified documents. They raided Mar-A-Lago because he and his lawyers lied to the government about having any other documents, brushed off the subpoena, and tried concealing the whereabouts of the documents after receiving the subpoena. The National Archives spent over a year trying to get the classified documents back from Trump. From all reports so far the Archives never requested in the last 6 years any of the documents that Biden apparently took. The stuff above is what we got Trump "by the balls for". It's not simply about taking documents with him. So if you think that's what all the stuff surrounding Trump is about, you're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Califan007 The Constipated said: "*Biden does same thing we got Trump by the balls for..." The stuff above is what we got Trump "by the balls for". It's not simply about taking documents with him. So if you think that's what all the stuff surrounding Trump is about, you're wrong. "Obstruction of justice" over getting what back exactly? Of course it's complicated, but that's what it comes back to, something that shouldn't of been on their personal property in the first place. I see my satirical frustration comes about as whataboutism to you...but I don't care, Biden jus shot himself in the foot for no gd reason and there's no nice way to sugar coat it. Folks are trying to give Biden a pass for working with DOJ, to me this symptom of a larger problem concerning the circulation of classified documents at the highest level of our government, at minimum. I can see neither of them going to jail for what they did or didn't do concerning having these documents on their personal residence. I'm not buying I would get that luxury. Edited January 13 by Renegade7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 @Renegade7 You are correct, to say Biden and Trump are treated differently than you or I. Which is why I am questioning what the hell is up. Is every politician just given Classified documents to mishandle? Do they not have safes? Or couriers whose sole job is to correctly handle and store all that material? At a certain point documents get cataloged and inventoried. But I do think it is possible if "public citizen A" were Biden (assuming it was documents he had which I think is likely) they would lose their job. And "Public citizen B" were Trump, they would be staring at 10 years in Federal prison on espionage and gross mishandling of documents. Could I not speculate on a "deep state double cross" where agents of Kamala Harris secretly planted the documents to bolster her 2024 chances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Mmm, deep state double cross, now there’s some governmental word play I could really sink my teeth into. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 hours ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: Mmm, deep state double cross, now there’s some governmental word play I could really sink my teeth into. I like the “now the MAGA doofuses in the house will want to increase funding for the DOJ/FBI” angle here. Dank Brandon putting some 4-D chess on those clowns. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 8 hours ago, Renegade7 said: "Obstruction of justice" over getting what back exactly? Of course it's complicated, but that's what it comes back to, something that shouldn't of been on their personal property in the first place. I see my satirical frustration comes about as whataboutism to you...but I don't care, Biden jus shot himself in the foot for no gd reason and there's no nice way to sugar coat it. Folks are trying to give Biden a pass for working with DOJ, to me this symptom of a larger problem concerning the circulation of classified documents at the highest level of our government, at minimum. I can see neither of them going to jail for what they did or didn't do concerning having these documents on their personal residence. I'm not buying I would get that luxury. Actually, way back in "but her emails" days, I read a piece about the whole "I would be in jail" thing. The author pointed out that it's not true. That pretty much since WW2 or so, the only folks going to jail over classified materials, involved handing over large quantities of documents, which were deliberately stolen, to someone who the accused knew was not authorized to have them. In most cases, to someone who they knew was an agent of a foreign government. But yes. We get it. It is possible to find a label which applies to both cases. And as to your question about whether everybody else did it? I'd be willing to say "yes". That every, or almost every, person at that level has broken a rule, at least once. At least accidentally. And yes, if you want to say that's a problem? I can agree with you. There probably is an attitude that "those rules are for people who are beneath me". It's when you try to make that case by starting with "they did exactly the same thing" that you're going to get pushback. Because it's not true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 11 minutes ago, Larry said: It's when you try to make that case by starting with "they did exactly the same thing" that you're going to get pushback. Because it's not true. I'd say yall are being too hyper-sensitive about this that you can't even laugh about it or any of the irony surrounding it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 minute ago, Renegade7 said: I'd say yall are being too hyper-sensitive about this that you can't even laugh about it or any of the irony surrounding it... Good one. And I was joking when I pointed out that the joking that you spent seven posts arguing the validity of your joking, wasn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 minute ago, Larry said: Good one. And I was joking when I pointed out that the joking that you spent seven posts arguing the validity of your joking, wasn't true. Exactly what I mean, yall missed the joke and spent more time trying to correct me then really understand why I was bothered by the whole thing in general. That's an interesting take to say I wouldn't be in jail right now if I found myself in either Trump or Bidens current yet different situations while DOJ sorted out their investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 On 1/11/2023 at 7:37 PM, Fergasun said: Certainly Trump is way, 20x worse. But first we had Clinton, than Trump, now Biden. Do politicians not give a rat about protecting classified documents? Do they have different rules? Does their staff have different rules? Frankly, we need to review all former presidents and veeps. Gotta to make sure. Biden has damaged his credibility a bit, though I doubt he knew what stuff he had. 10 hours ago, Dan T. said: Trump to fat to run. He’s get caught at the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 hours ago, TradeTheBeal! said: I like the “now the MAGA doofuses in the house will want to increase funding for the DOJ/FBI” angle here. Dank Brandon putting some 4-D chess on those clowns. Truly it was a "let me think like a left side QANon" thing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Renegade7 said: That's an interesting take to say I wouldn't be in jail right now if I found myself in either Trump or Bidens current yet different situations while DOJ sorted out their investigation. @Renegade7 See this link talking about different cases: https://www.voanews.com/a/fbi-justice-department-routinely-prosecute-misuse-of-classified-documents/6694887.html These are the ones that get attention. Not all of them went to jail. One of the key differences with Trump is the shear scope of what he had. The other is the fact that he didn't return them and there's no denying that. It's almost like the Feds were allowing him to openly admit to a crime over and over again. But of the at least 1 million defense workers (estimating) and contractors with clearances over a long time there have only been 11 cases? That is why I think most folks get fired over this and not jail time. I think they truly concerned with information compromise.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 15 hours ago, Renegade7 said: "Obstruction of justice" over getting what back exactly? Of course it's complicated, but that's what it comes back to, something that shouldn't of been on their personal property in the first place. I see my satirical frustration comes about as whataboutism to you...but I don't care, Biden jus shot himself in the foot for no gd reason and there's no nice way to sugar coat it. Folks are trying to give Biden a pass for working with DOJ, to me this symptom of a larger problem concerning the circulation of classified documents at the highest level of our government, at minimum. I can see neither of them going to jail for what they did or didn't do concerning having these documents on their personal residence. I'm not buying I would get that luxury. It feels like you are intentionally being obtuse so that you can retain your stance. "Obstruction of justice" over getting what back exactly? It's been spelled out for months (hell, years)...I'm not sure why you would even ask this question. The ONLY reason the FBI was brought into the Trump situation was because the National Archives requested they do so. Do you know why they requested the DoJ to get involved? Because if you don't, you really should read up on the issue before commenting further. But here's a hint: when the National Archives believes they need the help of the DoJ, that means someone has ****ed up royally. Ironically, when Mar-A-Lago was raided, there were some on this site (maybe even you) who took the stance of "I hope this isn't all just to get some documents back"...If that was your stance, just think all that through for a moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 @Califan007 The Constipated If at this point you still believe my drive by post was about them "both committing obstruction of justice", save your energy...I've already clarified my stance on why I feel what I feel, so if you still don't get it, stop trying to learn me and move on with your life already. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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