2024 Presidential Election- 11/5/2024 : Prosecutor/Coach vs Felon/Couch *******

[Captain Wiggles]

23 minutes ago, BringMetheHeadofBruceAllen said:

 

They were certainly from the upper class, which was massively under-represented in the rosters of combat troops in Vietnam. I wonder why...

 

Bidens father was a used car salesman. Hardly an upper class upbringing. 🧐

[tshile]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/16/fact-check-biden-received-multiple-draft-deferments-vietnam/5809482002/
 

so Biden received a total of 5 deferments. 4 were for college, 1 was for asthma 

 

Trump received a deferment for bone spurs 

 

both were active in sports including football and tennis. So, their medical deferments were definitely of the dodgy type. 

4 minutes ago, Captain Wiggles said:

 

Bidens father was a used car salesman. Hardly an upper class upbringing. 🧐

That was after his previous business fell apart

 

His father is described as “wealthy” up until that point. 
 

so he had a little of both worlds 

[The Evil Genius]

Remind me...which one of the Trump kids served again? Or maybe..just maybe...one of the candidates actually has respect for and truly supports the military, despite not serving or being drafted during Vietnam (and possibly getting a dubious deferment for asthma).

Edited June 26 by The Evil Genius

[hail2skins]

The debate rules not allowing for interruptions seem fine, but in this case will help Trump:

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-allies-urge-raging-asshole-debate-1235046992/

[tshile]

1 hour ago, The Evil Genius said:

Remind me...which one of the Trump kids served again? Or maybe..just maybe...one of the candidates actually has respect for and truly supports the military, despite not serving or being drafted during Vietnam (and possibly getting a dubious deferment for asthma).

You’ve got to get past the “but Trump” crutch 

 

it’s ok to admit Biden used asthma to dodge the draft after he ran out of education deferment options, a even though his asthma never stoped him from playing numerous sports. 
 

it doesn’t require you to suddenly hate Biden and love Trump. 

43 minutes ago, hail2skins said:

The debate rules not allowing for interruptions seem fine, but in this case will help Trump:

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-allies-urge-raging-asshole-debate-1235046992/

it’s hilarious they think he’ll listen.

[The Evil Genius]

Biden didn't get a deferment because of his asthma though. He was given a 1-Y classification via medical exam, in 1968, because of his asthma as a teenager.  Fwiw, he could have still been drafted during war or national emergency. 

 

His 5 deferments were a result of being at Syracuse and law school at Delaware.

 

I can also 💯 say that I have had controlled asthma via medications since childhood. And I played sports my entire childhood. So it's definitely feasible (but also see how bad it looks).

Edited June 26 by The Evil Genius

[Llevron]

I see yall are having a normal one lol 

[Califan007 The Constipated]

 

We interrupt this episode of Whataboutism for the following:

 

 

 

[tshile]

 

15 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said:

Biden didn't get a deferment because of his asthma though. He was given a 1-Y classification via medical exam, in 1968, because of his asthma as a teenager.  Fwiw, he could have still been drafted during war or national emergency. 

 

His 5 deferments were a result of being at Syracuse and law school at Delaware.

Kind of. 
 

yes it was 5 deferments for education and then he also received a medical designation. Sorry I mixed the words up. 
 

but you’re  describing it wrong. 
 

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And after a medical exam in April 1968, he received the "1-Y" classification, which meant he could only be drafted in a national emergency

so if literally no one was left. “Could be drafted during war” is playing a little loose there with regards to the topic. 
 

so he got 5 deferments to dodge and when they ran up, he was also given bottom of the list privileges for his asthma that didn’t stop him from playing lots of sports. 
 

the other guy is a total, categorical piece of ****.  You don’t have to get all triggered about someone pointing out Biden dodged the draft. 

9 minutes ago, Llevron said:

I see yall are having a normal one lol 

Some people get upset if you have any criticism for their favorite political party/people

 

 

🤷‍♂️ 

[Califan007 The Constipated]

7 minutes ago, tshile said:

You don’t have to get all triggered about someone pointing out Biden dodged the draft. 

 

 

To be a draft dodger, though, you have to illegally avoid being drafted or disobey an official order to join the military. I'm not sure either Biden or Trump fits that description, unless the medical assessments or the enrollment in college were faked on their behalf.

Edited June 26 by Califan007 The Constipated

[PleaseBlitz]

3 hours ago, Captain Wiggles said:

 

Bidens father was a used car salesman. Hardly an upper class upbringing. 🧐

 

 I bet a halfway decent used car salesman can mack it pretty hard in Scranton circa 1950.

[tshile]

28 minutes ago, Califan007 The Constipated said:

 

To be a draft dodger, though, you have to illegally avoid being drafted or disobey an official order to join the military. I'm not sure either Biden or Trump fits that description, unless the medical assessments or the enrollment in college were faked on their behalf.

That’s fine. 
 

citing nonsense medical exemptions from your doctor counts for me. If you can play football or tennis, you can serve in the military. 
 

if it doesn’t for you, that’s fine 🤷‍♂️ 

[Califan007 The Constipated]

1 minute ago, tshile said:

citing nonsense medical exemptions from your doctor counts for me. If you can play football or tennis, you can serve in the military. 
 

 

Why would you assume one makes you more than fit for the other, or that there aren't any other considerations at play when assessing someone as fit for the military?

 

Jay Cutler played professional football even though he had diabetes 1 and had to remove his insulin pump during games. Meanwhile, the military may reject you from joining with those same medical conditions.

 

 

[tshile]

If you want to believe that it legitimate disqualified them from service - be my guest. 

[Califan007 The Constipated]

4 minutes ago, tshile said:

If you want to believe that it legitimate disqualified them from service - be my guest. 

 

So avoid answering the questions or reconciling what I said about diabetes with what you said about playing sports and the military?...Good approach lol 👍

[China]

Trump Humiliated After Claiming He Graduated ‘First in His Class’ From College — Wharton Proves He’s Lying (With Receipts!)

 

I am always amazed at people like Donald Trump who lie about things that can be proven to be lies. Like, what’s the point? Doesn’t he realize people will check, realize he is lying, and just not believe anything he says? Or does he not care? Or does his broken brain honestly believe the crazy things he says?

 

After news broke in June 2023 about Trump’s indictment for several crimes related to the classified documents he stole from the White House, Trump was obviously speaking to many MAGA Republicans, ginning up support. One of these people was Kari Lake, the wacko who thinks she’s the rightful governor of Arizona, and is now running for Kyrsten Sinema’s seat in the Senate.

 

Lake spoke to Trump, and he reportedly said, “Kari, I never thought this is what my future would look like, when I graduated first in my class at Wharton. I didn’t think they’d be indicting me and trying to call me a criminal.”

 

First, that is just such a Trump thing to say. Second, it’s a lie. I know, what a surprise. And Trump has told this lie before in the past, so it’s been fact checked. Trump vacillates between being first in his class or top of his class with honors. Well, he didn’t do that either. Both records from the University of Pennsylvania and Trump’s classmates dispute these claims.

 

In 1968, The Daily Pennsylvanian published a list of the 56 students who were on the Wharton Dean’s List that year — Trump’s name is not among them.

 

“I recognize virtually all the names on that list,” 1968 Wharton graduate Stephen Foxman said, “and Trump just wasn’t one of them.”

 

1968 Wharton graduate Jon Hillsberg added that there was no indication on the 1968 Commencement Program that Trump graduated with any honors whatsoever. A copy of the program acquired from the Penn Archives lists 20 Wharton award and prize recipients, 15 cum laude recipients, four magna cum laude recipients and two summa cum laude recipients for the Class of 1968. Trump’s name isn’t anywhere on those lists.

 

“If he had done well, his name would have shown up,” Foxman said.

 

 

There were 366 graduates in 1968, and the Dean’s List of 56 students represents approximately the top 15 percent of the class. Trump not being in the top 15% suggests that his academic record at Wharton wasn’t as outstanding as he has claimed, and he certainly wasn’t FIRST in his class.

 

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[China]

Trump's plans could reignite inflation, Nobel Prize-winning economists say

 

Sixteen of the world's most notable economists — all Nobel Prize winners — are warning that former President Donald Trump could stoke inflation if he wins the presidency in November and moves forward with his economic plans. 

 

"Many Americans are concerned about inflation, which has come down remarkably fast. There is rightly a worry that Donald Trump will reignite this inflation, with his fiscally irresponsible budgets," according to a letter signed by the economists, who include Joseph Stiglitz, a Columbia University professor who won the Nobel prize for economics in 2001; and Yale professor Robert Shiller, who won the Nobel prize for economics in 2013. 

 

The warning comes as the U.S. continues to battle sticky inflation, with the Federal Reserve maintaining the highest interest rates in more than two decades with the goal of cooling the economy and driving inflation down to a 2% annual rate. Even though inflation has cooled from a recent peak of 9.1% in June 2022, inflation-weary Americans are glum about the economy, with 6 in 10 rating it as either bad, fairly bad or very bad, according to the latest CBS News poll. 

 

Trump's policies could prove to be inflationary, other economists also warned, such as his proposal to create a 10% across-the-board tariff on all imports to deporting immigrants. The tariff plan would add $1,700 in annual costs for the typical U.S. household, essentially acting as an inflationary tax, according to experts at the Peterson Institute for International Economics. 

 

Deporting immigrants could shrink the labor force, creating more competition for U.S. workers and pushing up wages, also adding to inflationary pressure, economists warn. 

 

While the letter from Stiglitz and the other 15 Nobel Prize winners didn't detail the specifics of any part of Trump's plans, it did single out praise for some of President Joe Biden's economic policies, ranging from his Inflation Reduction Act to investment in U.S. manufacturing. 

 

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[tshile]

7 minutes ago, Califan007 The Constipated said:

 

So avoid answering the questions or reconciling what I said about diabetes with what you said about playing sports and the military?...Good approach lol 👍

I already said I don’t believe it’s a legitimate excuse, but that if you (or anyone) do it’s fine. 

 

Neither one had diabetes

 

jay cutler is an asshole and watching him have a miserable time is great fun

 

i get you have to have the last word all the time but seriously wtf do you want from me? There’s nothing to explain. Let it go. 

 

you understand it’s ok to have different, at times even conflicting, opinions right?

[China]

Curtis defeats Trump-backed Republican in Utah Senate primary to replace Romney

 

Rep. John Curtis (R-Utah) will be the Republican nominee for Senate in Utah to succeed retiring Sen. Mitt Romney (R), according to a projection from Decision Desk HQ.

 

Curtis was one of four candidates running for the nomination who advanced to compete in the primary following a state GOP convention in April that narrowed down a wider field. He defeated his two most prominent opponents, Riverton Mayor Trent Staggs and former Utah state House Speaker Brad Wilson, along with one other candidate for the nomination.

 

Curtis consistently led in the handful of polls that had been conducted in the race, though with less than 50 percent support and as high as a third or more of respondents saying they were undecided. He came in second place at the state convention to Staggs, who had the endorsement of former President Trump, as well as staunchly conservative Republicans like Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk and former presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy.

 

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Edited June 26 by China

[China]

Trump threatens lawsuit over ad using his own words to discourage mail voting

 

Donald Trump's campaign vowed legal action and said it would seek a criminal investigation into a super PAC that ran a misleading digital ad in Pennsylvania featuring clips former president discouraging Republicans from voting by mail.

 

After having condemned mail voting for years, Trump is now embracing it and encouraging his voters to take advantage of the practice in the presidential election.

 

“MAGA Patriots, listen to our president,” the ad from Pennsylvania Values PAC begins, before it splices together sound bites of Trump condemning mail voting.

 

“Mail in voting is totally corrupt, get that through your head,” Trump says in one such clip.

 

The 30-second ad ends with the on-screen text: “Stand strong with President Trump against mail in voting!”

 

The digital ad ran over the weekend, according to Google data. Trump's campaign sent the group a cease-and-desist letter Tuesday afternoon.

 

“We are aware of your advertisement falsely claiming that President Trump has asked Pennsylvania voters not to vote by mail. This advertisement may constitute both a criminal and civil conspiracy to injure the rights of President Trump’s supporters to cast their ballots in Pennsylvania. Cease and desist broadcasting, or otherwise distributing via the internet or elsewhere, this false advertisement immediately and preserve all relevant documents in anticipation of likely litigation,” the Trump campaign said in a letter to the group’s publicly listed treasurer.

 

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[Fergasun]

This election is nuts.  I guess less people care the same way I do about the political direction of the country. 

 

How is Trump growing his support after January 6, a conviction (and his business too), sexual assault lawsuit and 3 indictments, overturning of Roe v. Wade?  Somehow everyone else looks at the world and thinks Joe Biden's the problem?

[The Evil Genius]

Lol if the Vivek VP pick is true. 

[Renegade7]

7 minutes ago, Fergasun said:

This election is nuts.  I guess less people care the same way I do about the political direction of the country. 

 

How is Trump growing his support after January 6, a conviction (and his business too), sexual assault lawsuit and 3 indictments, overturning of Roe v. Wade?  Somehow everyone else looks at the world and thinks Joe Biden's the problem?

 

Many are voting for Trump because it's their way of giving everything a giant middle finger...some would still get what they want individually if he's elected despite the consequences in other directions.

 

Some people are angry, some people want tax cuts no matter what....ya, shocking how far some folks are willing to take it, but that by itself doesnt make it complicated.

[Califan007 The Constipated]

29 minutes ago, tshile said:

I already said I don’t believe it’s a legitimate excuse, but that if you (or anyone) do it’s fine. 

 

Neither one had diabetes

 

jay cutler is an asshole and watching him have a miserable time is great fun

 

i get you have to have the last word all the time but seriously wtf do you want from me? There’s nothing to explain. Let it go. 

 

you understand it’s ok to have different, at times even conflicting, opinions right?

 

That's just it: I'm not stating opinion, I'm stating fact. My actual opinion is that people who criticize Trump and call him "bone spurs" but don't criticize Biden is because of the far too numerous reports of Trump having zero respect for those who serve(d), while Biden hasn't had a single report saying anything even remotely similar. In fact, just the opposite.

 

You can play professional sports at a high level with diabetes 1. And you can be disqualified from joining the military with diabetes 1. So your opinion that "if you play sports you can serve in the military" doesn't square with those facts. And it is fact that the military doesn't look at physical qualifications in the same manner that sports does. You can be disqualified from serving in the military with hearing loss, even in just one ear. On the other hand, there have been entire high school football squads of deaf players who played against teams full of players who can hear. Again, those are both facts. And they're facts that contradict your "If you play sports you can serve in the military" opinion, but that doesn't seem to have any effect on your desire to keep holding the opinion. It's wrong, but your choice.

 

There are also different types of asthma, and Biden had exercise-induced asthma. And for the record, when you have exercise-induced asthma, among the sports suggested for kids and teens with that type of asthma are baseball and football. Guess which sports Biden played.

 

We also don't know who the doctor was who gave Biden the physical, or at least I couldn't find it doing 2 minutes of Googling lol. Maybe it was a military physician who determined Biden's exercise-induced asthma and thus gave him a 1-Y certification. Which--since we were at war at the time--meant he could indeed have been drafted. But I think it's a mistake to treat it like Biden was Juan Epstein from Welcome Back, Kotter lol..."Dear Mr. Military, please excuse Joseph Biden from military service. He has the asthma. Signed, Joe Biden's doctor."

 

So no, we are not both stating opinions. You are stating an opinion, I'm stating facts that negate your opinion...facts that you want to either ignore or try to re-define as also being opinions.

 

For the record, I didn't write this for you lol...my guess is you won't read it--or if you do, you won't acknowledge anything in it. I'm writing it in case anyone else is giving your opinions on this subject more validity than they merit...or who mistakenly also think I'd providing nothing but opinions as well.

[88Comrade2000]