88Comrade2000 Posted June 25 Author Share Posted June 25 (edited) 1 hour ago, Simmsy said: Well, to be fair, I was posting on my phone (which I hate) when I was supposed to be working and I feel that I didn't explain myself as clearly as I should have. Please, let me try again: The first mention I heard of Trump dropping out of the debate was from Fox News, telling Trump he should back out. We all know that Fox has red telephone access to Donald Trump and directly effect his actions. It goes both ways, (Trump speaks and they try to spin his nonsense into silk). After Fox started saying it, Trump and his staff started saying it and thats when I started to think it could happen. I've heard many different hypothetical, yet crazy, outcomes that could also happen. Trump is unpredictable, anything can happen. I don't think any modern president has ever said they were going to drop out of a debate, Trump has said it and done it. So, I'm not saying you have to agree with me, I'm just saying that my feelings aren't unfounded. I honestly don't know what Trump is going to do, but he hasn't instilled much faith in many people that he will go thru with this. I think he set the expectations to low for Biden and now the Trump campaign realizes they won't win this debate and backing out might be a better look than Trump getting demolished on live TV by Sleepy Joe again. I don't want the MSM to report that Trump IS going to drop out, we don't know that. I want them to report on what he is saying about dropping out and why. If a presidential candidate is so unworthy, cowardly and inept that he can't handle a debate, something that EVERY candidate in the last 60 years has been able to show up for, the public deserves to know. The bonus is getting ahead of Trump if he does drop out so he can't control the narrative, I'm seeing more and more coverage of this on MSM when it was mostly independent news channels on YouTube. Also (pure speculation), I'm now hearing that Trump has not done a single late night event since the 8pm CNN town hall over a year ago (not sure how true that is). Word on the street is he doesn't have the juice to stay up that late, a "Dimed Up Donny" might make an appearance as well. Actually only 48 years of debates in the modern era. After the Kennedy-Nixon 1960 debates; LBJ and Nixon didn’t have any debates. It wasn’t until Ford-Carter in 1976 that we had debates again. I think Trump will come to the debate but when the he gets questions he doesn’t like, he will say it’s rigged and he’s being ganged up on 3-1 and end the debate and walk away. I expect this to be early in the debate. Edited June 25 by 88Comrade2000 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Simmsy Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 16 minutes ago, 88Comrade2000 said: Actually only 48 years of debates in the modern era. After the Kennedy-Nixon 1960 debates; LBJ and Nixon didn’t have any debates. It was until Ford-Carter in 1976 that we had debates again. I think Trump will come to the debate but when the he gets questions he doesn’t like, he will say it’s rigged and he’s being ganged up on 3-1 and end the debate and walk away. I expect this to be early in the debate. Wow, nice history note. I had no idea about that one. I guess I have to give Trump a bit of a break...a bit... Haha! It's crazy, isn't it? Apparently, there are all kinds of prop bets on what Trump will do and walking out is one of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 19 minutes ago, 88Comrade2000 said: I think Trump will come to the debate but when the he gets questions he doesn’t like, he will say it’s rigged and he’s being ganged up on 3-1 and end the debate and walk away. I expect this to be early in the debate. My money's on 1) He just ignores the question and spews whatever he's rehearsed. (At first. He hasn't rehearsed more than 2-3 "answers") 1a) After that, he just spews whatever he feels like. 2) If the hosts try to get him to actually follow the rules (which he agreed to), then he'll just get belligerent. 3) He'll either try to get kicked off, or else walk off. 4) Either way, he will pretend to be the victim. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Larry Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 He should claim he's being "swiftboated". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmsy Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Why lie? Your service alone is plenty to run on, now you've ruined the only electable thing about you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BringMetheHeadofBruceAllen Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: MAGA: "I wonder who they're talking about?"🤔 Edited June 26 by BringMetheHeadofBruceAllen 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BringMetheHeadofBruceAllen Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 11 hours ago, Simmsy said: Why lie? Your service alone is plenty to run on, now you've ruined the only electable thing about you. That's the MAGA way, just keep lying until people accept it. Soon, they'll believe Slaton won the Vietnam War for us by turning into Dr. Manhattan: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmsy Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 17 minutes ago, BringMetheHeadofBruceAllen said: That's the MAGA way, just keep lying until people accept it. Soon, they'll believe Slaton won the Vietnam War for us by turning into Dr. Manhattan: Seems like the kind of guy to lie about having a 20 foot, blue weiner. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 A repeating theme… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BringMetheHeadofBruceAllen Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 (edited) The only thing Slaton is remotely right about is that a lot of the current splits in this country started during the Vietnam War period. That explains the hostility on right-wing radio that picked up after "draft dodging" Bill Clinton was elected and hasn't let up. But it shouldn't be a surprise that a lot of the mistrust in government started at this time too, with LBJ and McNamara's massive lies about the war. I used to be a draft dodger-hater, but over the years my views changed. Vietnam was not only an unpopular war, it was unjustified since US national security was not threatened in the least. Sure, we should have supported an "ally" (which was not even a real country..."South Vietnam" only existed because the US didn't allow national elections which would have benefited the communists) with advisors and weapons, etc. but ground troops should not have been sent. The 'domino theory' was just that: a theory, not a foregone conclusion. There's an argument that the government didn't let the military win. That's partly true, but they couldn't run the risk of China or the USSR getting involved in the war by escalating. In addition, the war was unwinnable...the North Vietnamese were simply more motivated and willing to endure horrendous casualties to be free of all foreign interference. McNamara certainly knew this, but 60k US lives and over a million Vietnamese lives were lost anyway. It would have taken massive carpet-bombing of North Vietnam plus at least one million US troops to 'win' the war...but the US was never going to go that far so it's a moot point. The US at most had 500k troops in Vietnam (of which only about 20% were combat troops anyway), and would have had to transfer troops from Europe (not gonna happen) or increase a massively unpopular draft. NcNamara had already reduced the standards of draftees to the point where his 'Moron Corps' took 100k draftees who would not normally be admitted into the military for mental defects...and those in that group died at three times the rate of the regular soldiers. So yeah, I can understand why veterans would feel cheated and angry at those who dodged the draft, while at the same time understanding why people would want to dodge the draft in the first place. But the pro-war folks and the anti-war folks from the 60s never resolved their split...and I don't think it will truly go away until everyone involved has eventually passed on. Edited June 26 by BringMetheHeadofBruceAllen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Trump & Biden are both likely draft dodgers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMetheHeadofBruceAllen Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 6 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: Trump & Biden are both likely draft dodgers. They were certainly from the upper class, which was massively under-represented in the rosters of combat troops in Vietnam. I wonder why... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 35 minutes ago, BringMetheHeadofBruceAllen said: The only thing Slaton is remotely right about is that a lot of the current splits in this country started during the Vietnam War period. That explains the hostility on right-wing radio that picked up after "draft dodging" Bill Clinton was elected and hasn't let up. But it shouldn't be a surprise that a lot of the mistrust in government started at this time too, with LBJ and McNamara's massive lies about the war. My old man was an Officer in Vietnam with the story of being told to change into civilian clothes before landing home when he completed his tour. Ended up being one of the most liberal people I knew. Apparently came back with pragmatic perspective of being able to be proud of his service, and aware of the corruption in our Government that put him there. This Slaton guy is a clown and if my Dad were still alive, the type of guy he would be disgusted with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 22 minutes ago, BringMetheHeadofBruceAllen said: They were certainly from the upper class, which was massively under-represented in the rosters of combat troops in Vietnam. I wonder why... Probably because full time college attendance allowed you to defer being drafted, and upper class probably went to college at a significantly higher rate … 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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