New OC Thread (Welcome Aboard Eric Bieniemy!)

[RandyHolt]

QBs don't need to be dominant runners to let them run every now and then. Old man Ryan just ran for 39 yards.  Taylor is injury prone otherwise he would be fine running the ball. We all remember the famous pylon play. Running/mobility may be the strongest part of his game, knowledge of Turners playbook aside.

Edited November 13, 2022 by RandyHolt

[Zim489]

So our eyes aren’t deceiving us about BRob

[Leonard Washington]

13 hours ago, Zim489 said:

So our eyes aren’t deceiving us about BRob

Nice post, you should post in other threads. 

 

Robinson had a couple of man runs yesterday but it seems that he gets what is there and that is that. 

 

AG is so primed for homeruns.  I bet once he gets one, the flood gates will open.

[Renegade7]

If this thread gonna be up here, might as well give Turner credit for one of the best called games I've ever seen him do last night.

 

Have to give credit where credit is due. 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Gotta give props to Turner for the game plan yesterday. Just pounding the run for the first half and keeping Philly’s offense off the field and not straying from it. 
 

He strayed from it juuuuuust a little bit in the 2nd half but not entirely. But that’s what this offense needs to be in order for us to win; ball control and pounding the run. 
 

Last night was the game I’ve wanted to see, just grinding out yards and breaking the other team’s will. Complete domination of the time of possession. 

 

It’s not a foolproof way to win games but it’s a formula that’s hard to beat when you’ve got guys like Gibson, Robinson, McKissic and Samuel and you don’t have an elite quarterback.  
 

Don’t get me wrong, I love beautiful quarterback play, amazing passes and high scores. But I also love a drive that chews up over half a quarter and has 10+ plays in it, too. IMO, that’s more fun. 

[TradeTheBeal!]

40 two yard runs, a couple 60 yard field goals and the Eagles shoot themselves in the foot all night.

 

Truly a superlative game plan!

[Renegade7]

12 minutes ago, TradeTheBeal! said:

40 two yard runs, a couple 60 yard field goals and the Eagles shoot themselves in the foot all night.

 

Truly a superlative game plan!

 

 

[justice98]

Doing what it takes to win rather than what he wants to do to win.  This is basically the formula during the 4 game win streak last year.  It was probably killing Turner to have to call a game like that though.  

[Spaceman Spiff]

2 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

 

[Warhead36]

Yeah Turner called as good a game as you can reasonably hope for based on our QB and OL situation. 

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

28 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

Gotta give props to Turner for the game plan yesterday. Just pounding the run for the first half and keeping Philly’s offense off the field and not straying from it. 
 

He strayed from it juuuuuust a little bit in the 2nd half but not entirely. But that’s what this offense needs to be in order for us to win; ball control and pounding the run. 
 

Last night was the game I’ve wanted to see, just grinding out yards and breaking the other team’s will. Complete domination of the time of possession. 

 

It’s not a foolproof way to win games but it’s a formula that’s hard to beat when you’ve got guys like Gibson, Robinson, McKissic and Samuel and you don’t have an elite quarterback.  
 

Don’t get me wrong, I love beautiful quarterback play, amazing passes and high scores. But I also love a drive that chews up over half a quarter and has 10+ plays in it, too. IMO, that’s more fun. 

 

I don't mind going for knockout punches.

 

The interception was a good decision to throw it, but bad placement and inability to rifle it in there let's the safety realize what's happening and react. If the throw was on the other shoulder, leading a bit further up the field and to the sideline that's probably a touchdown and not an interception. Or if he had the arm strength to better look off the safety and not have to really look at Terry, set his feet, and wind up for it then the throw would have been a big catch anyways.

[NoVaSkins21]

Best game called by Turner, but it took him facing a formerly undefeated team to do it.  That's his issue.  The man is inconsistent and this should be game plan all the time

Edited November 15, 2022 by NoVaSkins21

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

1 hour ago, TradeTheBeal! said:

40 two yard runs, a couple 60 yard field goals and the Eagles shoot themselves in the foot all night.

 

Truly a superlative game plan!

It takes serious commitment to live and die by the run when you average about 3 yards per clip. The Eagles were stacking the box and he kept dialing them up.  He also called a few crucial third downs where Heinicke was hitting his back foot and the primary read was practically wide open.

 

Turner’s best work comes with Heinicke behind center.  That’s not a glowing endorsement for him.

Edited November 15, 2022 by BatteredFanSyndrome

[Going Commando]

1 hour ago, Always A Commander Never A Captain said:

 

I don't mind going for knockout punches.

 

The interception was a good decision to throw it, but bad placement and inability to rifle it in there let's the safety realize what's happening and react. If the throw was on the other shoulder, leading a bit further up the field and to the sideline that's probably a touchdown and not an interception. Or if he had the arm strength to better look off the safety and not have to really look at Terry, set his feet, and wind up for it then the throw would have been a big catch anyways.

 

I don't know for sure, but it looked like it was the wrong decision by Taylor.  I think the design of that concept was to put the playside deep safety in conflict by running two vertical routes into his area.  Taylor should be reading that safety and seeing who he breaks on and then throwing it to the other guy.  The safety broke on McLaurin and he threw it to McLaurin when Samuel would have been pretty open after the safety committed the other way.  Throw should have gone to Samuel.

 

It was a poor throw too.  He floated it and placed the ball inside toward the safety.  In that situation, if you're going to test the safety and throw it into the bracket, then it's got to be an "us or nobody" throw out of bounds.

[The Hangman- C_Hanburger]

1 hour ago, Warhead36 said:

Yeah Turner called as good a game as you can reasonably hope for based on our QB and OL situation. 

OK..so what changed. Desperation level DEFCON 1. He ONLY does this when desperate. Maybe Ron should threaten him before each game from now on. Should have been calling these sweeps/outs with Sanders coming out of the backfield and Mclaurin all day long...LIKE THE !st GAME....

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

2 minutes ago, The Hangman- C_Hanburger said:

OK..so what changed. Desperation level DEFCON 1. He ONLY does this when desperate. Maybe Ron should threaten him before each game from now on. Should have been calling these sweeps/outs with Sanders coming out of the backfield and Mclaurin all day long...LIKE THE !st GAME....

He’s been doing this the entire time Heinicke has been starting.  Fans tend to simplify the OC’s job to just do this or do that because it worked a time or two, but it’s just not that simple.

 

Turner actually came back to the play where Samuel took it when they called delay of game.  But you can’t just continuously trot out the same looks week after week.  Defenses watch tape.

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

33 minutes ago, Going Commando said:

 

I don't know for sure, but it looked like it was the wrong decision by Taylor.  I think the design of that concept was to put the playside deep safety in conflict by running two vertical routes into his area.  Taylor should be reading that safety and seeing who he breaks on and then throwing it to the other guy.  The safety broke on McLaurin and he threw it to McLaurin when Samuel would have been pretty open after the safety committed the other way.  Throw should have gone to Samuel.

 

It was a poor throw too.  He floated it and placed the ball inside toward the safety.  In that situation, if you're going to test the safety and throw it into the bracket, then it's got to be an "us or nobody" throw out of bounds.

 

The decision for Heinicke and how he sets up for a shot downfield is due to his lack of arm strength. He can't set up or read the safety like normal, as that would take a beat longer, McLaurin would outrun Heinicke's arm, and the corner that was toast would recover.

 

As for ball placement, I just rewatched it, and I misremembered. You're right, that would have needed to be right on the sideline. I remembered it being more of a pure go down the numbers throw, but instead it was thrown as a deep fade. CGJ made a great play on it. I feel like our own Bobby McCain would not have made that read/jump that CGJ did.

[justice98]

1 hour ago, The Hangman- C_Hanburger said:

OK..so what changed. Desperation level DEFCON 1. He ONLY does this when desperate. Maybe Ron should threaten him before each game from now on. Should have been calling these sweeps/outs with Sanders coming out of the backfield and Mclaurin all day long...LIKE THE !st GAME....

 

I kinda think it Doc's old argument about guys arent becoming head coaching candidates and being labeled geniuses pounding the rock up the gut.  

[skinny21]

Turner did a really good job IMO, particularly as he’s got a school bus style governor on his offense in the form of Heinicke/the oline.  Kudos to sticking to the ground game, for calling slants*, for focusing on putting TH in a position to succeed, for providing the tackles some help (after Leno go abused) with guys chipping, and for his guys committing very few penalties to set the O back.  There’s probably (plenty) more that my layman eyes missed.

*against the Packers (IIRC) it was crossing routes - I like how he tailors things around what he thinks defenses either won’t expect or struggle with - often breaking his own tendencies in doing so.

 

I will say, there were a few decisions that ticked me off.  

1)  Another rb screen that loses yards.  We’ve been consistently terrible at these.  Throw that **** out of the playbook (for now).

2) Empty set on 3rd and 2.  It worked, so maybe I shouldn’t be so down on it, but it drives me nuts.  The one caveat here is at least he has Taylor’s scramble ability to lean on (after spreading the D out with 5 wide).

3)  2nd and goal from the 6 - run the ball, and then again, and then again on 4th down if you have to.  I get what he was trying to do, and it’s fine, I’d just have gone with what was working.

4) Probably more on Ron(?), but I wish we had run the ball at the end of the game rather than kneeling.

[CommanderInTheRye]

J.D. McKissic officially placed on injured reserve. Will miss the rest of the season. Has not recovered from a neck injury in week 8 vs the Colts.

 

 

Edited November 19, 2022 by CommanderInTheRye

[method man]

4 minutes ago, CommanderInTheRye said:

J.D. McKissic officially placed on injured reserve. Will miss the rest of the season. Has not recovered from a neck injury in week 8 vs the Colts.

 

 

Probably a continuation from his neck injury last year. That’s a serious one and the guy should retire

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

I feel like we’ve been stealing the 49ers run plays lately.

[tmandoug1]

On 11/15/2022 at 8:42 AM, Leonard Washington said:

Nice post, you should post in other threads. 

 

Robinson had a couple of man runs yesterday but it seems that he gets what is there and that is that. 

 

AG is so primed for homeruns.  I bet once he gets one, the flood gates will open.

He had a chance at one and I am highly disappointed he did the knock mother ****ers down and score yesterday.

[TradeTheBeal!]

Was Scott Turner calling some old school Norv-style Emmitt/Stephen Davis run sets today?  Where the qb does a 180 before the handoff and such…

[lavar1156]

Hated the play calling on the 3 and out series. Running on 2nd and 10+ was infuriating.