KillBill26 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Free agent Isaac Seumalo would be a great addition for us at RG. He has had a very good year with the eagles after being oft injured the previous two years. Was named as a pro bowl alternate, and is a coach's son known for his knowledge of the game. Works hard and is humble. The Eagles also have a lot of hard decisions to make this off-season. Overthecap has them currently at 4.6 mil in cap space, which might not even be enough to pay their rookies. Cox, hargrave, bradberry, Quinn all have expiring contracts among others. They have already invested a lot in fellow OL Johnson, Kelce, and mailata. I know the eagles respect Seumalo, but they may have no choice but to let him walk. Spotrac has his market value at 12 per. Maybe we could get him at a lower aav with a longer deal? 4-5 years? With C and RT needing upgrades, having a solid RG who is a leader between them would be huge. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Not a big fan of the current batch of impending OL free agents. Hopefully a number of players unexpectedly hit the market via cap cuts etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball Security Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 1 hour ago, Est.1974 said: Not a big fan of the current batch of impending OL free agents. Hopefully a number of players unexpectedly hit the market via cap cuts etc. Guys I have read that could potentially be cut: Shaq Mason, Taylor Lewan, Mitch Morse, David Bakhtiari, and Pat Elfein. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Orlando Brown Jr is a wildcard for me, but it’s very questionable that he is worthy of the money he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markmills67 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 1 hour ago, Est.1974 said: Orlando Brown Jr is a wildcard for me, but it’s very questionable that he is worthy of the money he wants. If Snyder is still the owner I can't see any Big Free Agent signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 5 hours ago, Est.1974 said: Orlando Brown Jr is a wildcard for me, but it’s very questionable that he is worthy of the money he wants. My Chiefs fan friend told me he's been mostly dog doo doo this year. Wouldn't be worth the money at all. I like Kaleb McGary from the Falcons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillBill26 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 2 hours ago, Warhead36 said: My Chiefs fan friend told me he's been mostly dog doo doo this year. Wouldn't be worth the money at all. I like Kaleb McGary from the Falcons. I think we'd have buyers remorse with either McGary or brown. For the amount we would pay (top dollar) we would get frustrated with their struggles. McGary catches flak from Atlanta fans for struggling with elite pass rushers. For the big contract he gets, that will get old quick. I'd rather target seumalo at RG and RT would be Cosmi/draft pick/Lucas. Edited January 22 by KillBill26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 13 minutes ago, KillBill26 said: I think we'd have buyers remorse with either McGary or brown. For the amount we would pay (top dollar) we would get frustrated with their struggles. McGary catches flak from Atlanta fans for struggling with elite pass rushers. For the big contract he gets, that will get old quick. I'd rather target seumalo at RG and RT would be Cosmi/draft pick/Lucas. Yep. McGeary’s pass pro deficiencies are being masked this year by the Falcons’ high volume run scheme. Andre Dillard is going to be the best value solution we can sign. Can start at either tackle or guard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Well OTs who are great in run and pass protection are never going to enter the open market. But I do agree that's the general problem with Free Agency in general: you're often paying a premium for "proven" but flawed players((I say proven because often times they end up sucking anyway, see William Jackson). The truth is Free Agency is often just as big a crapshoot as the Draft but more expensive. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 12 hours ago, method man said: Yep. McGeary’s pass pro deficiencies are being masked this year by the Falcons’ high volume run scheme. Andre Dillard is going to be the best value solution we can sign. Can start at either tackle or guard Yeah I think that's fair. McGary is basically dominant at one thing--outside zone run blocking, and mediocre at best in all of the other aspects of the position. Because he's so limited, for a team to get their money's worth with him, they are going to have to play him the same way the Falcons do. I think it could work depending on which OC we hire and what run game he implements, because we do have other OLs and the RBs to run an outside zone heavy scheme. But we'd have to go into that kind of contract with our eyes open to the reality that McGary's pass pro kinda sucks. I think he's probably a moot point for us though, because everyone is saying that the timing of the sale is going to make it so we can give out any big signing bonuses. I think we're probably going to franchise Daron Payne and then go digging through the bargain bin this offseason and then wait until the new owners come in and take over the team. Dillard is interesting to me because I liked him in his draft year. There's no shame in losing out to Mailata in a depth chart battle, but it is a little concerning that he wasn't the top back up over Jack Driscoll this year. How come he didn't play when Lane Johnson missed time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhd24 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 57 minutes ago, Going Commando said: Yeah I think that's fair. McGary is basically dominant at one thing--outside zone run blocking, and mediocre at best in all of the other aspects of the position. Because he's so limited, for a team to get their money's worth with him, they are going to have to play him the same way the Falcons do. I think it could work depending on which OC we hire and what run game he implements, because we do have other OLs and the RBs to run an outside zone heavy scheme. But we'd have to go into that kind of contract with our eyes open to the reality that McGary's pass pro kinda sucks. I think he's probably a moot point for us though, because everyone is saying that the timing of the sale is going to make it so we can give out any big signing bonuses. I think we're probably going to franchise Daron Payne and then go digging through the bargain bin this offseason and then wait until the new owners come in and take over the team. Dillard is interesting to me because I liked him in his draft year. There's no shame in losing out to Mailata in a depth chart battle, but it is a little concerning that he wasn't the top back up over Jack Driscoll this year. How come he didn't play when Lane Johnson missed time? Yeah, unless it is a Flowers type situations (where someone just needs to be on a new team in order to be competent), I don't see him as viable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 On 1/22/2023 at 10:40 AM, Going Commando said: Yeah I think that's fair. McGary is basically dominant at one thing--outside zone run blocking, and mediocre at best in all of the other aspects of the position. Because he's so limited, for a team to get their money's worth with him, they are going to have to play him the same way the Falcons do. I think it could work depending on which OC we hire and what run game he implements, because we do have other OLs and the RBs to run an outside zone heavy scheme. But we'd have to go into that kind of contract with our eyes open to the reality that McGary's pass pro kinda sucks. I think he's probably a moot point for us though, because everyone is saying that the timing of the sale is going to make it so we can give out any big signing bonuses. I think we're probably going to franchise Daron Payne and then go digging through the bargain bin this offseason and then wait until the new owners come in and take over the team. Dillard is interesting to me because I liked him in his draft year. There's no shame in losing out to Mailata in a depth chart battle, but it is a little concerning that he wasn't the top back up over Jack Driscoll this year. How come he didn't play when Lane Johnson missed time? I believe Dillard played some guard this year. Did that overlap w Johnson missing time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markmills67 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 On 1/21/2023 at 7:26 PM, Est.1974 said: Orlando Brown Jr is a wildcard for me, but it’s very questionable that he is worthy of the money he wants. If Snyder is still the owner I can't see any Big Free Agent signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, markmills67 said: If Snyder is still the owner I can't see any Big Free Agent signings. Not sure. Re Orlando Brown in particular I’m not really advocating we go for him. One thing does seem certain, we need a significant upgrade job doing across the OL in the offseason. Got to expect a couple of draft picks going in that direction. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar1156 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Does Nate Davis from the TItans make sense? Played with Jon Allen in HS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 (edited) 14 hours ago, lavar1156 said: Does Nate Davis from the TItans make sense? Played with Jon Allen in HS. Seems like an average guard starter. It's guys like this that tend to get overpaid in FA (unless the FO believes that there is more to unlock with him and he has Pro Bowl upside). The secret to FA is finding a bunch of hidden gems like this FO did in 2020,signing older guys to shorter term deals with less than usual guaranteed money or paying up for the younger elite player that rarely hits FA unencumbered by a franchise tag. Edited January 25 by method man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MrJL Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 does Norwell play both guard positions, so if he loses the starting job he could back up both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyvern Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) I think the only thing Chris Paul did was to make the case for getting more looks in the upcoming season for consideration of some kind of role with the offensive line. Looking at the game as a whole, Paul had lots of instances where he didn't do very well. There were a few promising moments, but he also benefited by (a) being an unknown entity at guard with very little film on him, and (b) a game plan that was very heavy on the run. (I wasn't as impressed with Paul's performances when called upon to pass block.) That said, Paul also might have had 1st game jitters as well as being still new to how the Washington O-line has to adjust as well as the speed of the game under live conditions. And if the reports of him being a good learner, and making progress growing into his role are true ... then he might be ready to compete for the starting role in the upcoming preseason. I don't see Washington cutting Norwell next season, unless his skills have eroded even more. That means he probably keeps the LG role, unless they want an expensive backup. Edited February 5 by Wyvern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted February 5 Author Share Posted February 5 32 minutes ago, Wyvern said: I think the only thing Chris Paul did was to make the case for getting more looks in the upcoming season for consideration of some kind of role with the offensive line. Looking at the game as a whole, Paul had lots of instances where he didn't do very well. There were a few promising moments, but he also benefited by (a) being an unknown entity at guard with very little film on him, and (b) a game plan that was very heavy on the run. (I wasn't as impressed with Paul's performances when called upon to pass block.) That said, Paul also might have had 1st game jitters as well as being still new to how the Washington O-line has to adjust as well as the speed of the game under live conditions. And if the reports of him being a good learner, and making progress growing into his role are true ... then he might be ready to compete for the starting role in the upcoming preseason. I don't see Washington cutting Norwell next season, unless his skills have eroded even more. That means he probably keeps the LG role, unless they want an expensive backup. I think they should groom Paul as a utility backup and hope he is learning to play center too. He certainly has the brains for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoox Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 On 1/21/2023 at 10:35 PM, Warhead36 said: Well OTs who are great in run and pass protection are never going to enter the open market. But I do agree that's the general problem with Free Agency in general: you're often paying a premium for "proven" but flawed players((I say proven because often times they end up sucking anyway, see William Jackson). The truth is Free Agency is often just as big a crapshoot as the Draft but more expensive. This. A thousand times this. Getting a complete & healthy player who fits the scheme at a number that fits the cap is very hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 McGary RT Falcons $13m OG NATE DAVIS, TENNESSEE TITANS Contract Projection: Three years, $21 million ($7M per year); $14.25 million total guaranteed OT ISAIAH WYNN, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS Contract Projection: Two years, $21 million ($10.5M per year); $13.75 million total guaranteed C ETHAN POCIC, CLEVELAND BROWNS Contract Projection: Three years, $21 million ($7M per year); $11 million total guaranteed OT KELVIN BEACHUM, ARIZONA CARDINALS Contract Projection: Two years, $3 million ($1.5M per year); $2 million total guaranteed C CONNOR MCGOVERN, NEW YORK JETS Contract Projection: Three years, $22.5 million ($7.5M per year); $12.5 million total guaranteed OT JERMAINE ELUEMUNOR, LAS VEGAS RAIDERS Contract Projection: Two years, $7.5 million ($3.75M per year); $4 million total guaranteed OG WILL HERNANDEZ, ARIZONA CARDINALS Contract Projection: Three years, $12 million ($4M per year); $6.25 million total guaranteed OT CAMERON FLEMING, DENVER BRONCOS Contract Projection: Two years, $5 million ($2.5M per year); $2.75 million total guaranteed C GARRETT BRADBURY, MINNESOTA VIKINGS Contract Projection: Three years, $18.75 million ($6.25M per year); $10 million total guaranteed OT GEORGE FANT, NEW YORK JETS Contract Projection: Two years, $11 million ($5.5M per year); $7.25 million total guaranteed OT ORLANDO BROWN JR., KANSAS CITY CHIEFS Contract Projection: Five years, $105 million ($21M per year); $70 million total guaranteed OT MIKE MCGLINCHEY, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS Contract Projection: Four years, $62 million ($15.5M per year); $37.25 million total guaranteed OT JAWAAN TAYLOR, JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS Contract Projection: Four years, $57 million ($14.25M per year); $33.5 million total guaranteed OG ISAAC SEUMALO, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES Contract Projection: Three years, $33 million ($11M per year); $22 million total guaranteed OG BEN POWERS, BALTIMORE RAVENS Contract Projection: Four years, $36 million ($9M per year); $24 million total guaranteed OT KALEB MCGARY, ATLANTA FALCONS Contract Projection: Four years, $52 million ($13M per year); $31 million total guaranteed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 44 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 On 2/5/2023 at 11:48 AM, Wyvern said: I think the only thing Chris Paul did was to make the case for getting more looks in the upcoming season for consideration of some kind of role with the offensive line. Looking at the game as a whole, Paul had lots of instances where he didn't do very well. There were a few promising moments, but he also benefited by (a) being an unknown entity at guard with very little film on him, and (b) a game plan that was very heavy on the run. (I wasn't as impressed with Paul's performances when called upon to pass block.) That said, Paul also might have had 1st game jitters as well as being still new to how the Washington O-line has to adjust as well as the speed of the game under live conditions. And if the reports of him being a good learner, and making progress growing into his role are true ... then he might be ready to compete for the starting role in the upcoming preseason. I don't see Washington cutting Norwell next season, unless his skills have eroded even more. That means he probably keeps the LG role, unless they want an expensive backup. I think you also cant understate the importance of having a stable QB position in the development of younger OL players. Learning cadence, tendencies etc. is compounded with multiple changes at QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyvern Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 21 minutes ago, Chris 44 said: I think you also cant understate the importance of having a stable QB position in the development of younger OL players. Learning cadence, tendencies etc. is compounded with multiple changes at QB. I do agree with you, but I suspect Paul practiced more with Howell than with any of the other QBs. If the reports are true, he'll learn from his first "live action" and further develop his skills especially during preseason. And since he's on a cap-friendly contract, so I'm sure we'll see him sicking around and even getting some action in 2023... unless Washington uses a lot of high draft picks on interior offensive linemen. I think Trai Turner will be gone, but suspect they'll keep Norwell ... Unless he shows further signs of his decline during the pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 44 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 1 minute ago, Wyvern said: I do agree with you, but I suspect Paul practiced more with Howell than with any of the other QBs. If the reports are true, he'll learn from his first "live action" and further develop his skills especially during preseason. And since he's on a cap-friendly contract, so I'm sure we'll see him sicking around and even getting some action in 2023... unless Washington uses a lot of high draft picks on interior offensive linemen. I think Trai Turner will be gone, but suspect they'll keep Norwell ... Unless he shows further signs of his decline during the pre-season. Just shows how much I know...I had high hopes for Norwell when he was first signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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