Game Day Thread - Washington at Detroit ~ It's A Hard Knocks Life

[Rex Tomb]

1 minute ago, Warhead36 said:

The offense was equally responsible as the defense in the first half, but at the very least they got it going in the 2nd half and were basically unstoppable. 

 

The defense was awful the entire game. That’s the difference. 

Yes, the defense was awful the entire game.  But they were also on the field the entire first half because the offense couldn't move the ball.  

 

I think it would have been entirely appropriate for JDR to be relieved of his duty after that game, especially because the offense was able to turn it on in the second half and it didn't really matter.  Had the offense played the second half brand of offense in the first half, we win by 10 or more.  

[Riggo#44]

20 minutes ago, SkinsFTW said:

But not going 3 and out for an entire half except to go -2 points on one drive certainly might help.

 

They did that in the 2nd half. Defense still shat the bed.

5 minutes ago, Rex Tomb said:

But they were also on the field the entire first half because the offense couldn't move the ball.  

No they were on the field because they couldn't stop anyone either

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

[zCommander]

10 hours ago, mistertim said:

 

What was the alternative at QB? Heinicke? Never gonna happen. He's not a NFL starter and the team knows it. Trubisky? Mariota?

 

Let's look at Turbs the starting caliber QB you like so much over TH. 

 

Kenny Pickett is officially the most popular man in Pittsburgh.

On Sunday afternoon, as the Steelers lost their home opener to the New England Patriots, there were at least two occasions when CBS broadcast microphones picked up the crowd at Acrisure Stadium chanting "KEN-NY! KEN-NY!" and expressing their desire that Mitchell Trubisky be pulled in favor of the rookie quarterback. And it wasn't just fans — longtime Steelers beat reporter Ed Bouchette tweeted he'd seen enough from Trubisky as well.

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/steelers-mitch-trubisky-already-hearing-kenny-pickett-chants-and-for-good-reason-222632600.html

[Warhead36]

1 minute ago, zCommander said:

 

Let's look at Turbs the starting caliber QB you like so much over TH. 

 

Kenny Pickett is officially the most popular man in Pittsburgh.

On Sunday afternoon, as the Steelers lost their home opener to the New England Patriots, there were at least two occasions when CBS broadcast microphones picked up the crowd at Acrisure Stadium chanting "KEN-NY! KEN-NY!" and expressing their desire that Mitchell Trubisky be pulled in favor of the rookie quarterback. And it wasn't just fans — longtime Steelers beat reporter Ed Bouchette tweeted he'd seen enough from Trubisky as well.

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/steelers-mitch-trubisky-already-hearing-kenny-pickett-chants-and-for-good-reason-222632600.html

You just made his point for him. Trebisky stinks too.

[zCommander]

5 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

You just made his point for him. Trebisky stinks too.

 

Actually, before we got Wentz, the discussion was Turbs is a starter and TH isn't. I get that. But the stance of Turbs > TH because he has a stronger arm isn't translating so well for Turbs right now or has in the past as well. He just stinks as a QB regardless of the tools he has on his body. That was my point. If I had to choose between the two I would still go with TH over Turbs any day. 

[Warhead36]

6 minutes ago, zCommander said:

 

Actually, before we got Wentz, the discussion was Turbs is a starter and TH isn't. I get that. But the stance of Turbs > TH because he has a stronger arm isn't translating so well for Turbs right now or has in the past as well. He just stinks as a QB regardless of the tools he has on his body. That was my point. If I had to choose between the two I would still go with TH over Turbs any day. 

And Wentz blows both out of the water so...

[zCommander]

15 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

And Wentz blows both out of the water so...

 

I wasn't comparing Wentz to both. Hence the preface in my post to clarify that. I guess you ignored that part....lol

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

If you are facing the scenario of Taylor Heineke or Mitch Trubisky being your starter, you are up ****s creek without a paddle.  
 

Which is what we were looking at until Ron pulled the trigger for Wentz.

 

I don’t think anyone here ever really wanted Trubisky.  But beggars can’t be choosers and I think most would have preferred to see if Trubisky had figured anything out vs. go with Heineke again.  By no means though do I recall anyone being an actual believer that Trubisky figured anything out.  Just that if you’re in the depths of the QB clearance bargain bin, Trubisky at least has the physical traits necessary to play the game - so he would get chosen over a guy like TH.

 

 

[mistertim]

1 hour ago, zCommander said:

 

Let's look at Turbs the starting caliber QB you like so much over TH. 

 

Kenny Pickett is officially the most popular man in Pittsburgh.

On Sunday afternoon, as the Steelers lost their home opener to the New England Patriots, there were at least two occasions when CBS broadcast microphones picked up the crowd at Acrisure Stadium chanting "KEN-NY! KEN-NY!" and expressing their desire that Mitchell Trubisky be pulled in favor of the rookie quarterback. And it wasn't just fans — longtime Steelers beat reporter Ed Bouchette tweeted he'd seen enough from Trubisky as well.

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/steelers-mitch-trubisky-already-hearing-kenny-pickett-chants-and-for-good-reason-222632600.html

 

Huh? I like so much? Trubisky sucks. Throughout the offseason I was very much against getting Trubisky, Mariota, etc. I felt they were only minor upgrades to TH, and hence not worth it. 

[mistertim]

2 hours ago, TChaler70 said:

Yes TH, some of you act like he was some bumbling idiot out there, your not basing your thoughts with reality. The dude had no TE, no JD, no Gibby, much less all that plus Dotson and we were heading to the NFC east champs before covid ravaged the team and we started a crucial game with a QB that had been here 2 days.

 

Kept the guys we gave away, save the cap and get more D players and let TH play with the weapons Carson has we are a better team.

 

You need a complete team. Our record W/L will be no better with Wentz, which kinda of the point isnt it.

 

The reality is that it wasn't just me or other posters on there who didn't/don't think Heinicke is a starting caliber NFL QB. The entire Washington coaching staff and FO clearly don't think he is either. Otherwise they wouldn't have loudly and openly declared that they were desperate for an upgrade at the position and do everything they could to bring someone else in.

 

Heinicke has guts and he plays hard, but he doesn't have NFL level talent. Just on an eye test I'd guess that about 50% of the throws Wentz has made so far this year are ones that Heinicke wouldn't be able to make because he doesn't have an NFL arm.

[50yrSKINSfan]

On 9/18/2022 at 2:54 PM, Conn said:

where do you think the guys who do the blocking and tackling come from lol

Most come from football programs that they were involved in their whole lives and the should know how to block and tackle by the time they reach the NFL. Stop blaming everyone including the cheerleaders and the beer salesman. If the team is not playing we’ll start blaming the players, lol.

 

[50yrSKINSfan]

On 9/18/2022 at 2:50 PM, GoDeep81 said:

From a 50yrSkinsfan you know as well as I do, only 1 person been here for all of it. Dan Snyder. Doesn't matter who he gets to coach, block or tackle, they all suck. Thinking back about 50 years ago, there was a owner of the Steelers who never won anything. The team was a joke since the day old man Rooney won them in a bet. They finished in last place almost every year for like 50 years. Their O linemen were small and slow like the rest of the team.Then all of a sudden they started drafting black players from small black schools that were overlooked by most NFL teams,  compound that with excessive PED use and a dynasty was born and te Steelers won 4 SB in 5 years. Now they still had the same owner. What changed? Answer, he got better players even though he never had anything to do with how he got them and apparently he did not care about the drug use either. Cheers.

 

[TChaler70]

8 hours ago, mistertim said:

 

The reality is that it wasn't just me or other posters on there who didn't/don't think Heinicke is a starting caliber NFL QB. The entire Washington coaching staff and FO clearly don't think he is either. Otherwise they wouldn't have loudly and openly declared that they were desperate for an upgrade at the position and do everything they could to bring someone else in.

 

Heinicke has guts and he plays hard, but he doesn't have NFL level talent. Just on an eye test I'd guess that about 50% of the throws Wentz has made so far this year are ones that Heinicke wouldn't be able to make because he doesn't have an NFL arm.

Kinda of unfair, first not close to 50% of the throws, some throws sure. But if you want to talk about what Wentz does that TH cant it goes both ways. TH doesnt take 4 sacks, probably scrambles for 60 yds yesterday, especially in the first half to keep chains moving and the D off the field. Is Wentz better, sure, but I will say it again TH didnt have a two starting TEs, #10, or JD, and was on his 4th Center last year when it fell apart, not even mentioning COVID.

 

And dont forget Wentz cost us players at other positions and we are probably 1-1 with TH playing QB considering Wentz threw back to back picks while we were up late in the game.

 

Your either building around Wentz for the next 4 or 5 years or signing him was for nothing, especially in the W/L column this year.

Edited September 19, 2022 by TChaler70

[Conn]

30 minutes ago, 50yrSKINSfan said:

Most come from football programs that they were involved in their whole lives and the should know how to block and tackle by the time they reach the NFL. Stop blaming everyone including the cheerleaders and the beer salesman. If the team is not playing we’ll start blaming the players, lol.

 

?? The players are plenty at fault. But they didn’t scout, draft, and sign themselves into the defebse we have today, and they didn’t design the schemes or call the plays. Acting like it’s all on the players is such an archaic, mid-2000’s ‘coping with Snyder’ thing to me that I’m shocked to read it. 

[mistertim]

1 hour ago, TChaler70 said:

Kinda of unfair, first not close to 50% of the throws, some throws sure. But if you want to talk about what Wentz does that TH cant it goes both ways. TH doesnt take 4 sacks, probably scrambles for 60 yds yesterday, especially in the first half to keep chains moving and the D off the field. Is Wentz better, sure, but I will say it again TH didnt have a two starting TEs, #10, or JD, and was on his 4th Center last year when it fell apart, not even mentioning COVID.

 

And dont forget Wentz cost us players at other positions and we are probably 1-1 with TH playing QB considering Wentz threw back to back picks while we were up late in the game.

 

Your either building around Wentz for the next 4 or 5 years or signing him was for nothing, especially in the W/L column this year.

 

I honestly find it interesting that there are still Heinicke dead-enders in here. I thought they had all given up by now. Wentz has played pretty well so far this season and Heinicke will either be unemployed or on another team this time next year. It's over, time to move on.

[TChaler70]

34 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

I honestly find it interesting that there are still Heinicke dead-enders in here. I thought they had all given up by now. Wentz has played pretty well so far this season and Heinicke will either be unemployed or on another team this time next year. It's over, time to move on.

Your missing the point, Wentz has played well! But its a team sport and signing and trading for him cost us players. How many games are we going to win with this D talent? How far do you think this team can go? All I am posting in the game day thread is with Wentz it should be a long term plan.

 

Oh by the way it isnt over, god forbid one hit away and TH is back!

 

 

[Conn]

16 minutes ago, TChaler70 said:

Your missing the point, Wentz has played well! But its a team sport and signing and trading for him cost us players. How many games are we going to win with this D talent? How far do you think this team can go?
 

 

You aren’t going to agree with this but in the modern NFL, Wentz alone will get you better results than Heinicke + $28M in FA expenses. This team was dead in the water with Heinicke no matter what FA help they could afford to add. You need to be able to score points before anything else. 

 

16 minutes ago, TChaler70 said:

Oh by the way it isnt over, god forbid one hit away and TH is back!

Don’t get too excited posting about it, jeez. I can practically hear you breathing heavy through the internet just at the thought. 

[mistertim]

21 minutes ago, TChaler70 said:

Your missing the point, Wentz has played well! But its a team sport and signing and trading for him cost us players. How many games are we going to win with this D talent? How far do you think this team can go? All I am posting in the game day thread is with Wentz it should be a long term plan.

 

Oh by the way it isnt over, god forbid one hit away and TH is back!

 

 

Tell me exactly which player you would have acquired with the money/picks saved if we didn't sign Wentz. Which magical defensive player would instantly transform a poor unit into a good one?

 

And yes, it is over. If Wentz is injured Heinicke will come in for a while, and then he'll still be gone next season.

[FootballZombie]

We can at least work on solving one problem

 

Apke is still on the PS. Bump that man up and let him go back to making some plays on Teams.Cant afford to be leaking oil in all three phases vs Philly. let him shore up the Teams coverage units.