2023 Comprehensive Draft Thread

[RoseHill]

It's pretty sad that after the season we're having the draft thread can go 24 hours without a reply. It's the trash coach for me. Also the trash black uniforms. If the draft thread dies so will my Fandom. All I ever care about is how can we get better. We just can't. This team is trash

[fanman8825]

1 hour ago, RoseHill said:

It's pretty sad that after the season we're having the draft thread can go 24 hours without a reply. It's the trash coach for me. Also the trash black uniforms. If the draft thread dies so will my Fandom. All I ever care about is how can we get better. We just can't. This team is trash

I love the draft talk and yes the uniforms are garbage.

[Est.1974]

So it seems like we really need to invest in the OL long before the 7th round this time. 

[Jbird7]

2 hours ago, Est.1974 said:

So it seems like we really need to invest in the OL long before the 7th round this time. 

Nahhh resign Erik Flowers and see if Trent Williams will play with us coming off injury and we are all cool.

[Zim489]

3 hours ago, Est.1974 said:

So it seems like we really need to invest in the OL long before the 7th round this time. 

1st round QB second round Oline? Really I think I might be at the point where if theres a new staff they have to trade down and tank 2023. Trade off what they can. Trade down in the draft. Run with howell all year or some other scrub. Be terrible in 2023. Get the QB in 2024. 

 

This roster just has so many needs. The entirety of the Oline sans RT and only saying RT is because at least they have a piece there. Maybe not the final piece but salvageable for the future. TE1 unless Cole shows something. LBs. CBs FS

 

This roster is so bad... 

[method man]

1 hour ago, Zim489 said:

1st round QB second round Oline? Really I think I might be at the point where if theres a new staff they have to trade down and tank 2023. Trade off what they can. Trade down in the draft. Run with howell all year or some other scrub. Be terrible in 2023. Get the QB in 2024. 

 

This roster just has so many needs. The entirety of the Oline sans RT and only saying RT is because at least they have a piece there. Maybe not the final piece but salvageable for the future. TE1 unless Cole shows something. LBs. CBs FS

 

This roster is so bad... 

 

Passing on a QB in a QB heavy draft would be a Dan Snyder move regardless of the circumstances...

[Skinsinparadise]

Still digesting Levis

 

 

 

1. HOUSTON TEXANS: QB C.J. STROUD, OHIO STATE

The track record of Ohio State quarterbacks in the NFL is a talking point, but it doesn’t have any bearing on Stroud’s success at the next level. He plays the position differently than Dwayne Haskins or Justin Fields ever did. His average time to throw of 2.69 seconds through Week 5 of the college football season is nearly a half second faster than Fields' average at Ohio State. Stroud fits the bill of an NFL pocket passer.

2. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS: EDGE WILL ANDERSON, ALABAMA

Anderson is the safest pick in the draft. He may not qualify as a generational prospect, but he boasts an elite all-around physical skill set. Anderson’s 97 pressures since the start of 2021 are the most in college football.

3. NEW YORK JETS: DI JALEN CARTER, GEORGIA

On last year’s stacked Georgia line that included now-NFL players Jordan Davis, Travon Walker and Devonte Wyatt, it was Carter who earned the highest pass-rushing grade … as a true sophomore. He already has seven pressures on only 47 pass-rushing snaps this season, although he'll likely miss time with an MCL injury. 

4. CHICAGO BEARS: QB BRYCE YOUNG, ALABAMA

At 6-foot and 194 pounds, Young won’t tick all the boxes physically. When he steps on the field, though, he ticks boxes left and right. He’s already earned a 91.3 overall grade this season without the two top-50 draft picks he lost at receiver from last season.

5. WASHINGTON COMMANDERS: QB WILL LEVIS, KENTUCKY

Hailing from a pro-style offense with all the physical tools you could want at the position, Levis is an evaluator's dream. It's worrisome that he has more turnover-worthy plays (six) than big-time throws (three) this season, but a prospective team is likely banking on what he could become. He could even learn for a year behind Carson Wentz if the Commanders choose to bring the veteran back (what not to do, of course).

6. PITTSBURGH STEELERS: DI BRYAN BRESEE, CLEMSON

Bresee is a 6-foot-5, 300-pound physical freak built to play on the Steelers' defensive line. He has 11 pressures in three games this season, and the arrow only continues to point up for the former No. 1 overall recruit. Put him next to Cameron Heyward and watch quarterbacks crumble.

7. CAROLINA PANTHERS: EDGE MYLES MURPHY, CLEMSON

Murphy’s floor is probably still a top-10 pick with just how absurdly powerful he is for a defensive end. At 6-foot-5 and 275 pounds, he isn’t getting moved off the ball one-on-one. A slow start to the season for Murphy has given way to nine pressures the past two weeks.

8. ATLANTA FALCONS: OT PETER SKORONSKI, NORTHWESTERN

Perhaps Skoronski isn't the most physically gifted tackle in the class, but he is easily the most technically refined. He’s on pace for one of the stingiest pass-blocking seasons in PFF College history. On 241 pass-blocking snaps this year, Skoronski has allowed only two pressures. He’ll fit in perfectly across from Jake Matthews.

9. DETROIT LIONS: QB TANNER MCKEE, STANFORD

The Jared Goff era in Detroit may be coming to a close after this season. McKee is one of the more pro-ready quarterbacks in the class. He possesses a live arm at 6-foot-6 and 230 pounds and has made big strides in his decision-making from Year 1 to Year 2. That shows in his two turnover-worthy plays this season after he made 15 a year ago.

[FLSkinz83]

I'd stick with Howell.  I'd only consider Bryce Young.  

[Skinsinparadise]

Kentucky's Will Levis: Backup QB and unnoticed transfer to top NFL draft prospect

LEXINGTON, Ky. -- Rich Scangarello was sitting in the San Francisco 49ers' team hotel meeting room last season on the eve of their game against the Arizona Cardinals.

The LSU-Kentucky game was on the big-screen TV in the room, and Scangarello and others from the 49ers' organization, including general manager John Lynch and assistant GM Adam Peters, were watching while waiting for meetings to start. Kentucky quarterback Will Levis was putting on a show, throwing for three touchdowns and running for two more in a 42-21 win.

Scangarello, then the 49ers' quarterbacks coach, turned to Peters and said, "Who is this quarterback? He's pretty good. I need to make sure he's on my radar going into the offseason."

 

Little did Scangarello know the offseason would lead to his hiring as Levis' offensive coordinator at Kentucky, and it didn't take Scangarello long to figure out what kind of talent he was inheriting in Levis, who has gone from a backup at Penn State to one of the NFL's hottest draft commodities seemingly in a flash.

On his Big Board for the 2023 draft, ESPN's Mel Kiper has the 6-foot-3, 235-pound Levis rated as the No. 4 player overall and the No. 2 quarterback behind Ohio State's C.J. Stroud.

 

One NFL personnel director, who has scouted Levis extensively and seen him live this season, told ESPN he sees a lot of Josh Allen in Levis in terms of arm strength, athletic ability and physical size.

"He just needs to continue to work on his pocket poise, his timing and his accuracy under pressure, but he's one of the more intriguing quarterback prospects in this class," the personnel director said. "Josh Allen had some inconsistencies with accuracy and timing as well, but we've seen how that has played out.

"As [Levis] gets more comfortable and better rhythm in this scheme, I feel like he will be playing even better football at the end of the season than what he's putting on tape right now. He has all the physical traits and a lot of upside."

Scangarello is the fourth offensive coordinator Levis has played under in as many years, going back to his redshirt freshman season at Penn State in 2019. The systems have all been a little different, even the one Levis played in last season when Liam Coen was the Wildcats' offensive coordinator. Coen left in February to become the Los Angeles Rams' offensive coordinator.

"Will is as talented as anyone I've evaluated the last five years. The only two guys I would compare him to, where you could see it clearly, would be Joe Burrow and Josh Allen," said Scangarello, who spent the previous five seasons in the NFL and was the Denver Broncos' offensive coordinator in 2019.

"I think he will be the first overall pick in the draft."

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LEVIS' ASCENT TO the top of NFL draft boards may surprise some, but not Levis. Even when he was relegated to being Penn State's "running" quarterback and playing second fiddle to Sean Clifford, Levis never doubted he was going to get his shot -- somewhere.

"I've always had confidence in myself. I always thought I was the best quarterback in the country, and nobody else was going to tell me otherwise," said Levis, who attempted just 102 passes in two seasons at Penn State. "I just needed the platform to prove it. I needed the opportunity to get comfortable with playing the position at this level, and I feel like that's something I didn't have at Penn State."

Levis has found that platform at Kentucky, which has won 14 of its past 17 games with Levis at quarterback and vaulted to No. 7 this week in the AP poll, the Wildcats' highest ranking since 1977. They travel to No. 14 Ole Miss on Saturday (noon ET, ESPN).

 

"A guy like that makes everybody better. He elevates your program," Kentucky coach Mark Stoops said. "The belief is there. The confidence is there every time he takes a snap, every time he drops back to throw. I get a chance to see him every day. I stand behind him, and you know how it can get here [in Kentucky]. It could be nasty, cold, rainy, windy, whatever, and it doesn't matter.

"This guy just absolutely rips the ball. I mean, he throws the s--- out of it."

Which begs the question: How did Levis go from the bench at Penn State to somebody who wasn't heavily pursued as a transfer to a quarterback NFL scouts are showing up in droves to watch play?

Even in high school, Levis was overlooked until Penn State lost out on Justin Fields and offered Levis a scholarship. Up until that point, Mid-American Conference schools were showing the most interest.

"We were all frustrated and scratching our heads because we thought one thing about him and were saying, 'Why doesn't anyone else see this? What are we missing?'" said Andy Guyon, who coached Levis at Xavier High in Middletown, Connecticut.

 

"The spring before his senior year, we had tons of colleges on campus checking him out, but he couldn't get a bite. Sometimes, there's that stigma that players from the Northeast get, that we don't play football up here the way they do down South or in Texas or in California, and this guy can't be that good.

"Well, actually, he can be that good."

Levis attended a camp at Florida State the summer before his senior year of high school and began to turn heads after receiving a scholarship offer from then-FSU coach Jimbo Fisher. Levis attended a camp at Penn State soon after that, and the Nittany Lions were looking for a quarterback following Fields' decommitment.

 

"He came in there and was lights out, and it was not hard to see how talented he was," said Old Dominion coach Ricky Rahne, who was Penn State's offensive coordinator in 2018 and 2019. "He didn't miss a throw and was an incredible athlete."

Rahne walked over to Joe Moorhead, who was then Penn State's offensive coordinator, and said, "Joe, we're crazy if we don't offer this kid," to which Moorhead responded, "Yeah, I was thinking the same thing."

 

Levis redshirted his first season at Penn State in 2018, and Moorhead left for the Mississippi State head job after the season, with Rahne promoted to offensive coordinator. He said it was never a case of the Nittany Lions not believing in Levis, but rather that they were winning games with Clifford and he was more equipped at that time to be the starter.

"Everyone always asks what happened and why Penn State didn't start Will over Sean," Rahne said. "When we first picked Sean, Will wasn't ready to start yet, and then it became hard to replace a guy who had won 11 games. People kind of forget that."

Rahne's only question about Levis, whom Kentucky coaches and teammates readily admit plays with a linebacker's mentality, was whether he could harness his intelligence, competitiveness and will to succeed so he could play with the steadiness needed for an elite quarterback.

 

"That was sometimes his greatest detriment," Rahne said. "He wanted to be so successful that he put so much pressure on himself that it made him play a little tight sometimes. At Kentucky, he seems comfortable in his skin, and they've done a really nice job of letting him be himself and play free. I'm happy to see it because the talent was always there, and he's a great kid."

After Rahne left for the ODU head job, Kirk Ciarrocca came aboard as Penn State's offensive coordinator in 2020, and nothing changed for Levis. Most of his playing time came situationally as a runner from the quarterback position.

It seemed clear that a transfer was going to be his only chance to become a starter, and having taken on an accelerated academic schedule, Levis earned a degree in finance from Penn State in three years. He graduated magna cum laude with a 3.97 GPA.

Levis had personally informed Penn State coach James Franklin that he planned to transfer, and Levis' parents, Mike and Beth -- who were both athletes in college -- met with Franklin to thank him for what he and the Penn State program had done for their son. But similar to the early stages of Levis' high school recruitment, schools weren't lining up for his services out of the transfer portal. Levis said he heard from Rutgers, UConn, UMass and several other smaller schools.

"Nobody had seen me throw it. All they'd seen me do is run," he explained.

 

In his first year at Kentucky, Levis had 3,202 yards in total offense, throwing for 24 touchdowns and rushing for nine. Jordan Prather/USA TODAY Sports

But Kentucky was looking for a quarterback, and Stoops had just hired Coen as his offensive coordinator. Coen was the assistant quarterbacks coach with the Rams, but he had seen Levis play in high school when Coen was coaching at UMass and then Maine and was recruiting in the New England area.

Even with that familiarity, Stoops said they had to dig through Levis' tape at Penn State to find plays where he was making different throws.

"We knew we had to go get him, but because of the way he was utilized at Penn State, you really had to search for certain throws," Stoops recounted. "There was the Nebraska game from the year before, throws we watched and saw and confirmed what we thought. It also helped that Liam knew him from high school."

Levis didn't graduate from Penn State until May 2021, so he didn't have the benefit of going through spring practice his first year at Kentucky.

"Will bet on himself. He took a gamble and took a chance, and it's worked out extremely well," Mike Levis said. "He had to walk into that locker room and gain the respect and trust of his teammates and coaching staff in a relatively short time."

 

Levis made an immediate impression. He was named one of eight team captains and helped lead Kentucky to 10 wins for only the fourth time in school history. Prospering in Coen's pro-style system, Levis gave the Wildcats a dimension at quarterback they hadn't previously had under Stoops and finished with 3,202 yards in total offense with 24 passing touchdowns and nine rushing touchdowns. He also threw 13 interceptions.

"A lot of times with the interceptions, it was trying to do too much, trying to fit it into a window I didn't need to try and fit it in," said Levis, who has thrown 10 touchdown passes with four interceptions through four games this season.

 

Levis has also taken a ton of hits and has been sacked 16 times. He has two rushing touchdowns, but has been limited to minus-37 rushing yards. That's after finishing with 376 rushing yards a year ago.

"They've had trouble protecting him and haven't been able to run the ball, and that's hurt him," one NFL scout told ESPN. "But he's still found ways to spread the ball around. Look at the explosive plays he's made."

 

Levis is tied for second nationally with seven passes of 40 or more yards, and freshman receivers Dane Key and Barion Brown are starting to come on, along with Virginia Tech transfer Tayvion Robinson.

Also, senior running back Chris Rodriguez Jr. is set to return against Ole Miss after missing the first four games this season. He has rushed for 2,740 yards and 26 touchdowns in his career and should help balance out the Wildcats' offense.

One of the adjustments Scangarello made with Levis this offseason was changing his footwork in the shotgun to receive the snap with his left foot forward instead of his right foot forward. Burrow made a similar adjustment when he was at LSU, Scangarello said, not to mention Matt Ryan when he was with the Atlanta Falcons.

 

Before Scangarello took the Kentucky job this offseason, he did a video call with Levis to talk to him about those plans and make sure he was onboard.

"It's what I know and what I teach, and Will is so quick to pick up on every adjustment we make. He's so precise in everything he does," Scangarello said. "He does things that I haven't seen many guys do. He has the best of Jimmy Garoppolo's ability from 15 yards in, which Jimmy is one of the best on the planet with the short, accurate, quick-twitch throws. Will can do all that, but he can also throw the ball 65 yards on a dime."

Multiple scouts told ESPN they still want to see Levis be more consistent with the "touch and finesse throws" and not be so confident in his arm strength that he's trying to force throws when he could check down a pass to a running back. Scangarello has also reminded Levis repeatedly not to take unnecessary hits.

"He's gotten better at some of the layups and will keep getting better," Stoops said. "The dude is just so amped in everything he does, in class, on the football field, in meetings. But as he plays and gets more reps, you just see that much more poise."

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TIM COUCH, KENTUCKY'S record-setting quarterback from 1996 to 1998 and the No. 1 overall pick in the 1999 NFL draft, sees somebody who is committed to his team and to getting better every time he steps onto the field. Couch spent some time with Levis this summer. They played golf together and still talk periodically.

"He's like an old-school player out there," Couch said. "We've struggled to protect him at times this year and I've seen him take some big hits, but he pops right back up, stands in there and slings it. He's got a Brett Favre-type of feel to him, a gunslinger who's not afraid to throw his body around and sacrifice for the team. He's fun to watch."

When it comes to arm strength, combined with the ability to get the ball out quickly and do so without much room to throw, Couch thinks Levis is in a class by himself.

"I watched him up close this summer, and you just don't see that kind of accuracy and velocity," said Couch, who set 14 SEC records and 26 school records. "If there's a stronger arm in college football, I want to see it. He's going to blow the scouts away. He's athletic, tough, a great leader and has all the intangibles you look for in a quarterback."

Kentucky's toughest tests of the season remain. After the visit to Ole Miss this weekend, there are dates with top-10 teams Tennessee on the road Oct. 29 and defending national champion Georgia at home Nov. 19.

Those are big stages for the Wildcats and big stages for Levis, whose steely focus has remained firmly on what's right in front of him and not what lies ahead.

 

"I'm not going to cheat my teammates or myself," Levis said. "This season is what matters and helping bring Kentucky to new heights, a team that fans will remember forever."

In the world of name, image and likeness, Levis has cashed in handsomely. He has deals with steakhouses, automobile dealerships, golf courses and has even been paired with a horse (War of Will) to promote Claiborne Farm's breeding operation. He's also helped with relief efforts in eastern Kentucky after flooding ravaged that area this summer and participated in a telethon last year to help raise money for those impacted by tornadoes that hit parts of western Kentucky.

"I've never been around somebody so driven to do everything the right way," said Guyon, Levis' high school coach. "He's one of those people in life who succeeds because he knows what he needs to do, how he needs to do it and when he needs to do it."

And yet, Levis remains fueled by those who doubt him. This summer, he was talking to a Pac-12 assistant coach who told him there was early interest in bringing him in as a transfer from Penn State.

 

"They were looking for a quarterback," Levis said. "I won't say which school it was, but they were like, 'Nah, that kid can't play.' My reaction was, 'Man, that's awesome,' because I couldn't wait to get out and prove them and everybody else wrong."

The spotlight will only get brighter for Levis, especially as the games get bigger. And as the NFL draft approaches, there will inevitably be another round of doubters.

He wouldn't have it any other way.

Kentucky competing for an SEC football title? An under-recruited former Penn State backup going No. 1 in the draft?

It sounds hard to believe, but for the kid who did an eighth-grade solo of Hall & Oates' 'You Make My Dreams Come True,' it all makes sense.

Levis has never stopped chasing his dreams, even when they might have seemed more like fantasy.

That is, to everybody but Levis.

 

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34676323/kentucky-levis-backup-qb-unnoticed-transfer-top-nfl-draft-prospect

[method man]

I really want to like Levis and I am impressed by how he has elevated one of the worst programs in the SEC this season. He seems to check a lot of the boxes and it is great he is in a pro style scheme but the turnovers and bad mistakes scare me. I don't know how much you coach that out of someone

[CommanderDOOM]

2 hours ago, FLSkinz83 said:

I'd stick with Howell.  I'd only consider Bryce Young.  

 

Have u seen Levis?? He is going to be a star.

[FLSkinz83]

10 minutes ago, CommanderDOOM said:

 

Have u seen Levis?? He is going to be a star.

 

I'm not so sure.  I think I'd take a chance on Richardson before Levis.

[Barry.Randolphe]

Trade back, collect picks including multiple #1's next season. Draft Caleb Williams.

[Zim489]

6 minutes ago, Barry.Randolphe said:

Trade back, collect picks including multiple #1's next season. Draft Caleb Williams.

Yes. Would need the collective from Dan for an outright tank season. Let Payne walk. Trade Sweat (not resigning him) Cut Wentz JW3 Fuller Samuel Rouiller Leno Logan Norwell Mccain. You have 5.6 mil in dead cap from ALL OF THOSE COMBINED and you gain like 90 mil in cap space. The remaining team isnt winning more than 3 games. It really is the best path for a new regime to go. A complete clean slate. Have 120 mil and no one to sign that year except Kam. Trade back from the 3-5 spot for who ever. Draft a couple lineman to replace the walking out trash. Have Howell suck all year. 

 

It would be the absolute best thing for the franchise moving forward 

[bh32]

10 minutes ago, Zim489 said:

Yes. Would need the collective from Dan for an outright tank season. Let Payne walk. Trade Sweat (not resigning him) Cut Wentz JW3 Fuller Samuel Rouiller Leno Logan Norwell Mccain. You have 5.6 mil in dead cap from ALL OF THOSE COMBINED and you gain like 90 mil in cap space. The remaining team isnt winning more than 3 games. It really is the best path for a new regime to go. A complete clean slate. Have 120 mil and no one to sign that year except Kam. Trade back from the 3-5 spot for who ever. Draft a couple lineman to replace the walking out trash. Have Howell suck all year. 

 

It would be the absolute best thing for the franchise moving forward 

Your math is way off..It would be over 30 mil in dead cap to release all those players

[Zim489]

1 hour ago, bh32 said:

Your math is way off..It would be over 30 mil in dead cap to release all those players

Post 6/1

[Skinsinparadise]

Saw one draft geek say Levis is more highly ranked with NFL scouts than he is with the draft media.

 

Haener was one of my guys last year as a non-first rounder I haven't though watched him this year.

 

 

 

 

[bh32]

5 hours ago, Zim489 said:

Post 6/1

Can only designate two players post june cuts

[CommDownMan]

17 minutes ago, bh32 said:

Can only designate two players post june cuts

 

This and the money saved isn't available until after June 1st, so not helpful for free agency even with those 2 designations.

[Skinsinparadise]

For me I got to watch the QBs give or take 5 games and multiple times to land on a strong opinion.  For those here who feel confident to do it without heavy watching, I am jealous. 😀

 

But for me, I got to see how they throw (accuracy, arm strength) on all three levels.   What happens when the pocket gets crushed.  Throwing on the move.   Throwing with anticipation.  Release.  Toughness.  Decision making.  Hard for me to see all of that on the fly without rewatching them.     Though I can see some of it.  But three levels accuracy is tough to see without rewatching -- I'll give credit to our old friend @volsmet who pushed me to study that part of it.

 

Also, fixated on work ethic-smarts which is obviously relies on other people talking about it.   Shanny-Gibbs in particular think both traits essential to be a successful QB, and from their experience some QBs have it, some don't. 

 

lol, not saying I have this figured out.  But for me to jump hard on an opinion about a QB, I need to spend some serious time on it.  The little I have digested on Levis I am intrigued but don't have a strong opinion, yet.  The dude has size, mobility, toughness.  Haven't though thoroughly digested accuracy.  Decision making seems to be potentially a red flag but I don't have a strong opinion, yet.  The dude has size, mobility, toughness.  Haven't though thoroughly digested accuracy.  Decision making seems to be potentially a red flag.  

 

Edited October 5, 2022 by Skinsinparadise

[KDawg]

Haener is certainly a quality candidate. 
 

I like him. Young is a playmaker and plays with a set of brass balls.

 

Stroud I’m not sure on yet but he is highly talented.

[Skinsinparadise]

29 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Haener is certainly a quality candidate. 
 

I like him. Young is a playmaker and plays with a set of brass balls.

 

Stroud I’m not sure on yet but he is highly talented.

 

Haener was my off beat guy that I touted quite a bit last season but alas he didn't enter the draft.  Fun dude to watch -- baller, quick release, great scrambiling ability.  Not sure about him being special in any way though.

 

I like Howell.  but if they have a top 5 pick or so I would double up and let the best man win. 

 

We never seem to be picking high in ballyhooed QB drafts.    I wouldn't skip on the opportunity to do so this time. 

Edited October 5, 2022 by Skinsinparadise

[philibusters]

I don't see Levis in the same tier as Bryce Young and CJ Stroud.   

[Zim489]

Me neither. For some reason I cant pinpoint Im just not sold on him ever being elite. 

[philibusters]

1 minute ago, Zim489 said:

Me neither. For some reason I cant pinpoint Im just not sold on him ever being elite. 

 

I really only watched Levis in one game this year, though I also remember him from a couple years ago when he played for Penn St. and they benched Sean Clifford for a couple games.

 

That game was against Florida and he wasn't particularly good.  Kentucky did beat Florida on the road 26-16, but Levis was only so-so.  Florida threw two interceptions, one was a pick six and the other was returned to the Florida 6 yard line.  So two of Kentucky's 3 TD's in that game really belonged to the Defense.   Levis did have a pretty 55 yard TD pass in that game, but take out that play and he was pretty meh.