The Official ES (or E...C) 2022 Free Agency Thread Signed G Andrew Norwell, Obada, Trai Turner...Goodbye Scherff, Kyle Allen, Tim Settle

[Koolblue13]

On 2/3/2023 at 10:22 AM, justice98 said:

 

What benefits Payne is the free agent DT crop isn't particularly deep,

Tomlinson, Hargave, Dremont Jones, Zach Allen are all going to be FAs and are all at least almost as good as Payne or better. 

 

If you need a DT that can get through the line, this is the best offseason in years.

[CommDownMan]

On 2/4/2023 at 12:24 PM, woodpecker said:

Hard to tell if he was cheap, or the good free agents just didn’t want to come here. Maybe both. But yes hopefully the new owner gets on board ASAP, otherwise it might be a pretty boring off-season (other than the Snyder is gone celebration!)

 

Synder gone is definitely a great offseason, but if we skip out on FA due to timing that will take some of the fun out of it.  I mean, it's just this year so I'll get over it.  

[JamesMadisonSkins]

Do we need a 2023 Free Agency thread? I don't expect that we'll be super active given the ownership limbo we will be in, but I thought it pretty interesting that we have so much available cap space in 2024. Not saying we'll backload deals, but assuming we cut Wentz we'll have:

 

2023: $34 million

2024: $126 million

2025: $217 million

 

Now I know, this does NOT include Payne's extension ... it doesn't include Chase beyond 2023 ... it doesn't include Sweat in 2025. 

 

Also of note, we free up $14 million in 2024 if we cut Leno, he's owed a lot of money next year (and this year). Could see him being cut this year as well, maybe Post June 1st if we drat an LT in Round 1. Fuller comes off the books in 2024 but Samuel does not. 

 

So the free $$ is more a product of lack of players under contract ... but it also supports that we have a good long-term cap position (not much $$ committed) which is good for a new owner and FO coming in, ESPECIALLY if we strike gold with Howell and he becomes the long-term starter on a rookie deal for 2-3 more years. 

Edited February 9, 2023 by JamesMadisonSkins

[JamesMadisonSkins]

Here is who is currently a FA in 2024, assuming we don't extend Payne and only franchise him for 2023.

- Daron Payne

- Kendall Fuller

- Montez Sweat

- Kam Curl

- Chase Young

- Antonio Gibson

 

That is a LOT of talent on our defense and guys that are either going to be needing to be replaced via draft this and next year, or extended for BIG money. Good news is we have that cap space available in 2024 and 2025 ... ESPECIALLY if we are quiet in FA this year. I'll be curious to see what our projected 2024 cap ends up being after this year's round of FA and draft picks being signed. I have to imagine it will be well north of $60-70 million, even if we extend Payne and sign a premier FA (OL or LB), which will still be a LOT of money to hand out to that defense with back-loaded deals as is traditionally done.

 

The rest are depth/fillers

Edited February 9, 2023 by JamesMadisonSkins

[Est.1974]

1 hour ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

 

- Daron Payne

- Kendall Fuller

- Montez Sweat

- Kam Curl

- Chase Young

- Antonio Gibson

I’d personally consider Curl, Payne and Gibson priorities from that list. 

[KDawg]

3 hours ago, Est.1974 said:

I’d personally consider Curl, Payne and Gibson priorities from that list. 

To me Curl and possibly Payne. Otherwise the edges haven’t earned a big pay day yet.

[skinny21]

Wonder if Gibson should be a trade candidate.  A 3rd or 4th and I’d be tempted, though don’t know if he draws that sort of compensation…. Speaking of, I’m curious where McKissick stands with his neck issue.

 

Thought I posted this, but seems to me Schweitzer should be a priority re-sign for us.  Yes, he hasn’t been the healthiest, but he should be fairly cheap offers solid insurance at G/C, which could help open up the draft a bit.

[FootballZombie]

I'm Gibby's biggest fan, he is probably my fav player, but I'm not in the business of paying RBs. Unless he is dirt cheap I'd let him walk and draft another body. RB is the easiest position to populate. You can get a guy in any round and even find gems that are undrafted fairly regularly.

 

Both Gibby and B-Rob were 3rd rounders. It does not take a heavy investment to keep the position suitably stocked.

 

I wanna see Payne and Wes S. situation resolved. Curl can wait for the ownership situation to settle out first and be put on the Terry timeline of getting a deal later in the offseason.

[lavar1156]

On 2/9/2023 at 11:18 AM, Est.1974 said:

I’d personally consider Curl, Payne and Gibson priorities from that list. 

Gibson is not a priority 

[Est.1974]

7 hours ago, lavar1156 said:

Gibson is not a priority 

Agreed, wrong use of wording. They were the 3 I’d look to bring back first from the list based on cost/value to the team, but yeah Gibson and priority isn’t the right phrase.

[Est.1974]

Anyone else interested in Parris Campbell in free agency ? ‘Low’ price deal in context. Terry has been a mentor to him. High upside ?

[FootballZombie]

33 minutes ago, Est.1974 said:

Anyone else interested in Parris Campbell in free agency ? ‘Low’ price deal in context. Terry has been a mentor to him. High upside ?

 

 

He'd be an upgrade to Brown or Dax, but I feel like if I am bringing in a WR he almost has to have PR ability, and I don't think Campbell has done that in the NFL.

[Conn]

1 hour ago, Est.1974 said:

Anyone else interested in Parris Campbell in free agency ? ‘Low’ price deal in context. Terry has been a mentor to him. High upside ?

I would if he comes fairly cheap, he’s had a tough time with injuries but finally blossomed to a degree this season, after just flashing in the past. He’s talented. 

[NewCliche21]

2 hours ago, FootballZombie said:

 

 

He'd be an upgrade to Brown or Dax, but I feel like if I am bringing in a WR he almost has to have PR ability, and I don't think Campbell has done that in the NFL.

 

If they can call a fair catch less than 100% of the time, then they're an upgrade from Dax.

[kingdaddy]

7 hours ago, FootballZombie said:

 

 

He'd be an upgrade to Brown or Dax, but I feel like if I am bringing in a WR he almost has to have PR ability, and I don't think Campbell has done that in the NFL.

 

7 hours ago, Est.1974 said:

Anyone else interested in Parris Campbell in free agency ? ‘Low’ price deal in context. Terry has been a mentor to him. High upside ?

I am big time....when I looked over the list of FA WR's this year he jumped out to me for more reasons than one. I think he is gonna get better if he stays healthy.

[Est.1974]

Mecole Hardman one to potentially watch as well, in particular if Bieniemy gets the OC position. Both KC tackles may also become available.

[KDawg]

11 minutes ago, Est.1974 said:

Mecole Hardman one to potentially watch as well, in particular if Bieniemy gets the OC position. Both KC tackles may also become available.

Are you fronting the bill?

[DWinzit]

41 minutes ago, Est.1974 said:

Mecole Hardman one to potentially watch as well, in particular if Bieniemy gets the OC position. Both KC tackles may also become available.

Yeah that's why  I had suggested Wylie who might fir well on the RT side and cheaper than the others. 

I guy he could try to bring in is an old timer that fit well in KC this year RB McKinnon

[Est.1974]

32 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Are you fronting the bill?

I’m sure we’ll spend something. Clearly Brown thinks he should be the top paid tackle and others on here have alluded to a suspect attitude. There line sure balled out in the playoffs though.

 

I’m not expecting much in FA. It’s becoming a false economy with the deals bang average players are getting. Two or three additions shouldn’t be a reach for us though.

 

‘Normal’ operations have to continue in the NFL world.

[Skinsinparadise]

he wasn't as good last year though

 

https://arrowheadaddict.com/2022/07/27/kc-chiefs-case-bring-nick-allegretti-back-2023/

 

KC Chiefs: The case to bring Nick Allegretti back in 2023

 

by Lucas Strozinsky6 months ago Follow @StrozinskyLucas

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After being selected in the 7th round of the 2019 NFL Draft, Nick Allegretti has been a good value for the Chiefs and the Chiefs should re-sign him.

Offensive lineman Nick Allegretti has not played a ton of snaps over his first three NFL seasons but he has still been a good value for the Kansas City Chiefs.

Out of the University of Illinois, the Chiefs used the 216th overall pick in the 2019 NFL Draft on Allegretti. After barely seeing any non-special teams plays during his rookie season, he played almost 900 snaps on offense in the 2020 season. He then played 80 snaps on offense last season, most of those coming in the Chiefs’ Week 17 loss to the Bengals after Orlando Brown Jr. and Lucas Niang left because of injuries.

In that Week 17 game in Cincinnati, Nick Allegretti played 55 snaps (19 run blocking and 36 pass blocking) and recorded a very good PFF overall grade ($) of 75.4, including a near-elite pass-blocking grade of 88.7. In the 36 pass-blocking snaps he saw that game, he allowed a grand total of zero pressures. In fact, he allowed zero pressures in 41 snaps across all of last season. Yes, the sample size is incredibly small but it is still an encouraging sign nonetheless.

Perhaps the most memorable moment of Nick Allegretti’s career has been this receiving touchdown against the Steelers in the past year’s wild-card round:

 

For the record, PFF gave him a receiving grade of 90.1, which is considered elite, so the Chiefs should consider using him at tight end more often (kidding, of course).

His rookie contract does expire after this season and he is slated to become an unrestricted free agent. While it makes for him to leave Kansas City in pursuit of a potential starting job, the Chiefs should highly consider bringing him back next season. He is a very good depth player and he likely won’t be very expensive to retain. For a team looking for value in free agency along the interior of the offensive line, Allegretti is likely one of the best options in next year’s class.

 

Allegretti can play anywhere along the interior of the offensive line and can even play tackle in a pinch, though he is better at guard or center, and that is attractive to basically every team in the NFL. His lack of offensive snaps is not ideal but he does have starting experience from the 2020 season, where his pass-protection was less than ideal, but his run-blocking was more than serviceable.

I believe that the Chiefs would be wise to re-sign Nick Allegretti at the conclusion of the 2022 season as he is an excellent depth option, and teams can never have too much depth in the trenches, he will likely be relatively cheap, and he seems to be well-liked among his teammates.

Of course, he may want to pursue an opportunity with more playing time, which the Chiefs cannot give him due to their rock-solid core on the interior, so he may be dead set on leaving for a new team. But if he is willing to return to KC, the Chiefs should not hesitate to bring him back.

What do you think of Nick Allegretti? Do you think that the Chiefs should re-sign him? Feel free to let me know in the comment section or on Twitter (@StrozinskyLucas).

NEXT: Ranking the Chiefs top 15 draft 

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[Skinsinparadise]

2 hours ago, KDawg said:

Are you fronting the bill?

 

Agree about money issues.

 

Dan has gotten cheap and a zillion reporters both national and local citing cash flow issues.  Then you got this being the worst destination spot in the NFL.  So if Dan was staying I think they mostly sit out FA like last year.  But to play devils advocate...

 

Ron as some agents have said is the one positive as to attracting players here.  I suspect Bieniemy might help on that count, too.

 

I wonder if Dan is truly selling whether he'd allow some transactions since he ultimately isn't paying the bill and or he can sell to prospective buyers that the team is on the rise or heaven forbid he's planning to not sell and wants to give one more rodeo to sell to the fans in his own delusional world that he doesn't suck.

 

FA is a wildcard.  I lean on the side that they don't do much but make a modest move or two to placate Bieniemy like someone like Allegretti who wouldn't break the bank.

 

I think what's likely out are big contracts with major guaranteed money to lasso FAs because of the escrow component of those deals.  But short deals with low numbers of guarantees I'd guess are out. 

Edited February 17, 2023 by Skinsinparadise

[Skinsinparadise]

Wyllie, 9 sacks isn't hot.  PFF numbers are pedestrian. But had a big SB against the right team.

 

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2023/2/16/23598037/chiefs-eagles-super-bowl-lvii-andrew-wylie-haason-reddick

 

Andrew Wylie quietly played the game of his life in Super Bowl LVII

The right tackle exceeded expectations and proved everyone wrong.

 

Without the epic performance of right tackle Andrew Wylie, the Kansas City Chiefs would not have won Super Bowl 57. The Philadelphia Eagles entered the game with the number-one pass rush in the NFL and were being touted as one of the best defensive teams of all-time.

The vaunted pass rush had four players with double-digit sacks and was led by NFL sack leader Hasson Reddick. It would be a tall task for the Chiefs' offensive line, with eyes on Wylie.

The fifth-year veteran started every game as the right tackle for the Chiefs this season, the first year of his career that he started every game, and all at the same position. While his play has drawn criticism throughout his time in Kansas City, it has not been as warranted as it might seem.

Throughout his career, Wylie has amassed just over $6 million dollars in career earnings and accounted for just .57% of the Chiefs' total salary cap in 2022. 17 regular-season and three playoff games from a tackle who accounted for less than one percent of the team's entire salary cap for the 2022 season is remarkable in the modern NFL.

Even more remarkable was that Wylie saved his best for last, giving Reddick and the Eagles a game they would never forget.

Protecting the MVP

The key to beating the Chiefs during the Patrick Mahomes era has been very simple to explain yet hard to execute. Teams must be able to beat rush Mahomes with four but no more than five, allowing the maximum number of players to drop into coverage and muddy up his reads.

If there was ever a team that should have been able to do this, it was the Eagles, who recorded 70 sacks as a team in the regular season — as well as 12 sacks in the postseason. Wylie and the Chiefs' offensive line had other plans.

Wylie uses a perfectly timed strike to engage Reddick, placing his hands perfectly down the middle of his body. As Reddick starts to get some push into the backfield, Wylie resets his hands and regains leverage, sinking his hips and locking out his arms to stop the power rush. Mahomes has as much time as he needs and finds Travis Kelce for a touchdown.

 

During the first drive of the game, it felt like Reddick was feeling out Wylie, looking for what move he wanted to set up for later in the game. In the next series, he would try out the edge, looking to bend the arc to get to Mahomes.

The timing and placement of Wylie's hands in pass protection were vital to the success he had. He understood how Reddick wanted to get upfield to use his speed and flexibility around the arc, but he also knew that he could use his strength advantage and momentum to knock Reddick off his feet.

This physical style of play set the tone for the game and started to frustrate Reddick, and Wylie's confidence skyrocketed.

Antagonizing

A point of emphasis for the Chiefs seemed to be physical domination over the opponent. They didn't come out and try to dance around the Eagles' pass rush; they came out and attacked.

Wylie helped lead the charge, trying to aggravate and antagonize Reddick every chance he got.

With the use of some excellent acting on the left side of the field, a screen pass to Jerrick McKinnon on the right side of the field gave them a nice gain. Reddick lined up head-up on Noah Gray but was taken back by the quick snap and the subsequent play toward his side of the field.

Knowing he is late to set the edge, he tries to outrun Gray but is knocked off his feet by Wylie. A visibly frustrated Reddick throws his arms in the air, either shocked at the play or wanting a flag.

Little frustrating plays like this can add up throughout the game.

Reddick finally went to his signature jump-chop — a pass-rush move where the defender gains momentum to get around the tackle by skipping and chopping his hand down past an offensive linemen's arm. Wylie was ready for it and unleashed a trick of his own.

The use of independent hands in pass protection is a relatively new concept to pass protection and one that is taught at the highest levels. Instead of traditional two-hand pass protecting, which the jump-chop quickly takes care of, the independent hand from Wylie allows him to lock out and strike Reddick when he is in the air. Wylie then quickly works upfield, latches on with his other hand, and drives Reddick before he has a chance to win the edge.

A combination of Reddick being taken off guard and poor field conditions cause him to slip, allowing Wylie to live out every offensive linemen's dream. He was embarrassing the best the game offered and closing in on winning the battle.

Winning the fight

As the Chiefs mounted a fierce comeback, the pressure and stakes of the game would grow. Mahomes was picking the Eagles apart one pass at a time, and the Eagles' pass rush made little impact.

[Est.1974]

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

I wonder if Dan is truly selling whether he'd allow some transactions since he ultimately isn't paying the bill

That’s my take. Any movement in asset values/cash transactions will be built into the sale/settlement process. It’s not like it’s a company being sold that can cease trading.

[skinsfan66]

4 hours ago, Est.1974 said:

Mecole Hardman one to potentially watch as well, in particular if Bieniemy gets the OC position. Both KC tackles may also become available.

Agree, Speedy and productive in an offence that used many players.

[KDawg]

2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Agree about money issues.

 

Dan has gotten cheap and a zillion reporters both national and local citing cash flow issues.  Then you got this being the worst destination spot in the NFL.  So if Dan was staying I think they mostly sit out FA like last year.  But to play devils advocate...

 

Ron as some agents have said is the one positive as to attracting players here.  I suspect Bieniemy might help on that count, too.

 

I wonder if Dan is truly selling whether he'd allow some transactions since he ultimately isn't paying the bill and or he can sell to prospective buyers that the team is on the rise or heaven forbid he's planning to not sell and wants to give one more rodeo to sell to the fans in his own delusional world that he doesn't suck.

 

FA is a wildcard.  I lean on the side that they don't do much but make a modest move or two to placate Bieniemy like someone like Allegretti who wouldn't break the bank.

 

I think what's likely out are big contracts with major guaranteed money to lasso FAs because of the escrow component of those deals.  But short deals with low numbers of guarantees I'd guess are out. 

Real question is: is he planning on selling or will he need to be leveraged. And if he isn’t planning on it, how much is he going to spend on FA knowing he may have a legal fight coming (on top of ones he’s already in?)

 

Unpredictable.