OrangeSkin Posted December 27, 2001 Share Posted December 27, 2001 Both lose their first games in a convincing fashion, then come back and go on respective winning streak. Then they both drop a couple, and appear to have taken a step back. Has anybody else noticed the similarity? [ by OrangeSkin on December 27, 2001.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted December 27, 2001 Share Posted December 27, 2001 No. But, I have noticed Michael Jordan played a whole lot like Tony Banks tonight . ------------------ Doom is in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted December 27, 2001 Share Posted December 27, 2001 the situations are not at all comparable. The only reason why the Wizards lost to Charlotte was because Richard Hamilton, the team's leading scorer, is out 3-4 weeks with a groin injury. In the NBA, as we saw with Allen Iverson and the Sixers, when a team loses its primary playmaker and shooter, it is very difficult for that team to remain competitive. For another example just look at Orlando where Grant Hill has never been able to step on the court and approximate the player he was in Detroit. Without Shaquille, the Lakers lost to Golden State the other night even though Kobe had 39 points. No, the Redskins are in a different sport and have a different pathology. In the NFL, teams can often overcome the loss of one good player and still be competitive and even contend for a title. The Redskins suffered few injuries this season that should have derailed the team. In fact the adversity they suffered was self-inflicted. Whereas the Wizards are fielding a team of rookies and second year guys to play with Jordan, the Redskins have a core of players that should have been good enough to make the playoffs THIS season. Internal dissension and a Head Coach who failed to relate to his players on his return from a two year absence from the game are the reasons the Redskins are where they are. By the time everyone got on the same page, the season was for all intents and purposes almost over at 0-5. There is a reason no one has made it back from 0-5 to make the playoffs in a 16 game season. Parity ensures a tough battle each week, even for the better teams, and few teams can afford to pi$$ games away and lay down to make a political statement to the coach or GM and then rebound later on to be winners. It has taken Doug Collins and Jordan a much shorter period of time to assess the abilities of the players on their squad and start to develop some chemistry. The Redskins were halfway into their season before they discovered that Banks really didn't know how to run a WCO and the team was better suited to a power ground game and routes that allowed Banks to use his arm down the field. The other difference is that Collins and Jordan never came out and told the media or fans that they had assembled in a single offseason of work the elements of a contending team for 2001. Everyone knew this was going to be a better year than 19-63 last season, but still a rebuilding year. Marty, the big mouth on the other hand, wrote some checks in his offseason news conferences and practice field quotes that his coaching staff and players were not able to cash later on, such as promises to be a contender in the NFC right away. Perhaps he should have waited until he got a chance to see his players in camp and make a more realistic assessment. Maybe then he would have been more aware of the discontent of a number of the veteran players and worked to nip that in the bud so it did not ruin the start to the season. If only, could have, should have................ isn't that the Redskins storyline every season now regardless of the coach and players? what really galled me was AFTER the Dallas game some players were talking about how they wanted to play the Cowboys again to show them who the better team was. Well, you had 8 quarters in 2 games within 6 weeks to show you were better and failed to do so, so just take your whooping and remember for the next time what the slap on the a$$ feels like so you won't want it repeated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyskinsfan Posted December 27, 2001 Share Posted December 27, 2001 Yeah it's the breaks in some cases and coaching in both. Marty didn't deserve the ranting and raving I did, but he gets my vote for some things that are disturbing, especially in being a bit too stubborn, etc. The Skins did try some things that put the Special Teams in 1st place up until Sunday. They did improve the character issue and now know even more so, where the pain is. That is far better going into 2002 than going into 2001. The pain is Marty's position on some things that can again have the Skins looking for a new coach through a GM, but the rumors are actually dispelled, since he has a stipulation allowing for a GM. His keeping Jimmy Raye may get him fired after 2002, should Raye repeat this season's debacle, as mentioned in the Washington Post. The streaks are microcosms of what was wrong at the time they both started. 1. Jordan was a media blitz and a distraction from the trouble in the streets and abroad, as we went to war. People wanted something to take their mind off "most" of what was happening. Nothing could do that, but it at least added for some entertaining news anyway. This also impacted the younger players, who stood in awe of him in "real" games, even though, at the time, they were only seeing 1/2 of what he once was. While they stood around looking, opponents were putting it in the hole, hitting all drawers and rebounding, while it was basically, the Jordan show. When Jordan stepped back when injured, then went back in, he used a different philosophy, let them play, put the mental plug in, when necessary. Hamilton and Heywood (when he returned) took that to heart and lit it up! Hamilton is to Jordan, what Scottie Pippen was to him. The perfect compliment, that "forced" other teams to address the problem of stopping them both. Meanwhile the "dual" combo of centers in White and Heywood, provided what Longley and Whittington used to. The team Wizards started climbing and defensing and scoring on the Wizards suddenly became a problem. When Hamilton got hurt, it was the equivalent of the Bulls losing Pippen for a while when Jordan was on the same team. It took away 18-25 points a game, which is going to be the average point swing in most games, till he returns. The supporting cast of the Bulls was far more aggressive and experienced than this young bunch. Hamilton also plays the D and assists. 2. The Skins relied heavily on the defense to set-up the offense, which was supposedly run oriented, while the Special Teams developed into a more formidale foe for other teams. The offense clunked and stunk under George, because we were trying to fit a square into a round hole. While this caused more confusion, the offense just didn't approach the season as they should have, basically a Jimmy Raye fault that would ride him the rest of the season. His Modified version of the "modified version" is a "mystery offense". His play calling left much to be desired, the players were suddenly out of sync, bickering and became surprising animated at times. They were now refusing to buy into the offense. When Tony Banks took over, they acted like they wanted to play, but Banks would only just understand page 1 of his play book. arrrrrgh!!!!! In the meantime, the defense began to surge and no matter how god awful Banks was, the defense would hold their own. Then the offense clcked a couple of times, because, those executions were better and the foe wasn't as crisp on defense, and Banks only had to hand off more than he threw. Oh when he threw! arrrrgh! However, when Jimmy Raye got pass happy to pump up Tony's numbers for contract leverage, he couldn't deliver, because, at best, he is only mediocre. The Skins lost "4' key games down the stretch and abandoning the run was the culprit that set us up for showdowns with the officials mercy, opponents being allowed to remain in the game, even late, or worse. We were predictable, but stoppable. We couldn't come back on teams often enough or at all, which helps with luck (ask the Bears) and once again the offense had lost it's confidence in another QB. Drops are indicative of going through the motions, because the leadership and coach are doing the same thing. "Dropping the Ball and Going Thru the Motions". HoHum, mediocracy. [<IMG SRC="http://www.extremeskins.com/ubb/edited.gif" border=0> by indyskinsfan on December 27, 2001.] [<IMG SRC="http://www.extremeskins.com/ubb/edited.gif" border=0> by indyskinsfan on December 28, 2001.] [ by indyskinsfan on December 28, 2001.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted December 29, 2001 Share Posted December 29, 2001 No comparison the Wiz doesnt have a know it all coach thats inflexible. However they both have Cap room to improve the team in 2K2 ------------------ Take A Sip of the Marty KoolAid and Believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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