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The Trump Riot Aftermath (Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes found guilty of seditious conspiracy. Proud Boys join the club)


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4 hours ago, Cooked Crack said:

 

 

What with Ginni the cultist and hardcore election denier sleeping in the same bed, Thomas needs to recuse himself from issuing any kind of legal orders pertaining to 2020 and Jan 6 insurrection. Geez!

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An aide who once claimed he was with Trump when the former president declassified government records pleaded the fifth for the DOJ's Mar-a-Lago documents probe: report

 

An aide and loyalist to Donald Trump had little to share in his testimony this month related to the Department of Justice's investigation into the former president's handling of highly sensitive government documents, The New York Times reported.

 

The aide, Kash Patel, was previously appointed by Trump in June as a representative to deal with the National Archives and Records Administration regarding access to presidential records.

 

He once claimed in an interview with Breitbart, just a few months before FBI agents seized thousands of documents from Trump's Mar-a-Lago home, that Trump had declassified "whole sets of materials" before leaving office.

 

"I was there with President Trump when he said 'We are declassifying this information,'" Patel told Breitbart.

 

But this month, Patel largely chose to plead the Fifth Amendment in his grand jury testimony for the Justice Department's ongoing criminal probe, a person familiar with the situation told The Times.

 

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Trump drops attorney-client claims over Mar-a-Lago documents

 

Donald Trump dropped his initial claims of attorney-client privilege governing nearly 100 pages of documents seized at his Mar-a-Lago estate, but disputes about executive privilege remain for three records, according to a filing Monday from Trump and the Justice Department.

 

The disputes are what the special master, U.S. District Judge Raymond Dearie, aims to resolve while reviewing about 11,000 documents. FBI agents seized the records from Mar-a-Lago while searching for evidence of violations of the Espionage Act or obstruction of justice.

 

U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon appointed Dearie to determine whether to withhold documents from the Justice Department's criminal investigation because they were personal records or fell under attorney-client privilege or executive privilege.

 

Trump withdrew his claims of attorney-client privilege for nine documents totaling nearly 100 pages, according to the joint filing from lawyers on both sides. Trump and government lawyers agreed the documents could be turned over immediately to investigators, according to the filing.

 

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DOJ asks judge to force Trump White House lawyers to testify in Jan. 6 probe

 

The Justice Department is asking a federal judge to force the top two lawyers from Donald Trump’s White House counsel’s office to testify about their conversations with the former President, as it tries to break through the privilege firewall Trump has used to avoid scrutiny of his actions on January 6, 2021, according to three people familiar with the investigation.

 

The move to compel additional testimony from former White House counsel Pat Cipollone and deputy White House counsel Patrick Philbin just last week is part of a set of secret court proceedings. Trump has been fighting to keep former advisers from testifying before a criminal grand jury about certain conversations, citing executive and attorney-client privileges to keep information confidential or slow down criminal investigators.

 

But the Justice Department successfully secured answers from top vice presidential advisers Greg Jacob and Marc Short over the past three weeks in significant court victories that could make it more likely the criminal investigation reaches further into Trump’s inner circle.

 

Jacob’s testimony on October 6, which has not been previously reported, is the first identifiable time when the confidentiality Trump had tried to maintain around the West Wing after the 2020 election has been pierced in the criminal probe following a court battle. A week after Jacob spoke to the grand jury again, Short had his own grand jury appearance date, CNN reported.

 

All four men previously declined to answer some questions about advice and interactions with Trump when they testified in recent months in the secret criminal probe. Trump lost the court battles related to Jacob and Short before the chief judge of the trial-level US District Court in Washington, DC, last month.

 

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Arizona GOP chair asks Supreme Court to block phone records from Jan. 6 panel

 

The chairwoman of the Arizona Republican Party on Wednesday asked the Supreme Court to temporarily shield her phone records from the House panel investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection in support of former President Trump. 

 

The emergency filing by Kelli Ward is the latest twist in her months-long effort to fend off congressional investigators’ pursuit of her records, and comes just days after a divided federal appeals court panel denied her request to block the House committee’s subpoena.

 

The filing by Ward and her husband, Michael Ward, was directed to Justice Elena Kagan, who handles emergency matters arising from Arizona.

 

Following the 2020 election, the Wards were among a group of 11 Arizonans who falsely claimed to represent a slate of pro-Trump electors, signing a phony election certificate that purported to show former President Trump won Arizona, despite his losing the state to Joe Biden. 

 

The Jan. 6 panel, which subpoenaed Ward’s phone carrier for her records, has described the multi-state attempt to put forth fake Trump electors as central to the effort to overturn Trump’s defeat, which eventually led to the riot at the Capitol.

 

In court papers filed Wednesday, the Wards portrayed the Jan. 6 investigation as politically motivated, and said their case carried “profound precedential implications” for the right to free political association.

 

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2 hours ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

Why is the trial for the Oath Keepers taking so long?  Seems to be an open and shut case.  

 

Because of the 5th amendment, and the right to due process.  Despite how despicable the person and the crime, everyone should have the right to a fair trial and not be potentially railroaded with a case that's rammed through quickly. 

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1 hour ago, China said:

 

Because of the 5th amendment, and the right to due process.  Despite how despicable the person and the crime, everyone should have the right to a fair trial and not be potentially railroaded with a case that's rammed through quickly. 

 

There will others who were also despicable who had their trials conclude in a matter of days. Is this one so much more complex that it takes a month when the others were days?  

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1 hour ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

 

There will others who were also despicable who had their trials conclude in a matter of days. Is this one so much more complex that it takes a month when the others were days?  

 

The charges are different.  They are going after the Oath Keepers for Seditious Conspiracy which, I imagine, requires a bit more to prove and thus more evidence needs to be presented.  Many of the other scumbags were tried on lesser offenses.

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Trump lawyers and DOJ met in sealed court hearing related to Mar-a-Lago investigation Thursday

 

Former President Donald Trump’s legal defense team and federal prosecutors appeared at a sealed hearing on Thursday that was related at least in part to the Justice Department’s ongoing demands to make sure all documents marked classified have been returned to the federal government, CNN has learned.

 

This was the first appearance in a DC federal courthouse by the Trump legal team that is primarily handling the Mar-a-Lago documents investigation.

 

The full scope of the two-hour hearing with Chief Judge Beryl Howell is unclear.

 

CNN spotted the lawyers – including James Trusty, Evan Corcoran and Lindsey Halligan for Trump, and prosecutor Julie Edelstein and several others from the Justice Department who are known to be on the case – heading into a sealed proceeding before Howell.

 

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Sorry but the idea the committee is now wanting to talk to agents and such doesn’t suggest, to me, this is going anywhere. 
 

come January, this committee investigation could no longer exist depending on what happens in the next two weeks. 
 

and I was under the impression everyone involved was aware of that and working towards a conclusion before that could happen. So now, end of October, 2 weeks out from mid terms, they’re just now deciding to try to talk to even more people?

 

It’s almost as if they think the threat to shut it down in January will somehow not be accepted by the public. A solid 40% of the public thinks it should be shut down around. So…

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Should have been more. Personally, I think the courts have been too lenient with sentencing. At least five years for the least indictments. Big fines. Make attempts to overthrow the government subject to serious consequences. Also, lose voting rights for each one of them. 

 

If it was Russia, they'd get death penalties. We should tell them that, they like Russia so much. Look what Putin's done to his opposition: poisoned him then imprisoned him. Not to mention all the people taking headers out of windows.

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, tshile said:

Sorry but the idea the committee is now wanting to talk to agents and such doesn’t suggest, to me, this is going anywhere. 
 

come January, this committee investigation could no longer exist depending on what happens in the next two weeks. 
 

and I was under the impression everyone involved was aware of that and working towards a conclusion before that could happen. So now, end of October, 2 weeks out from mid terms, they’re just now deciding to try to talk to even more people?

 

It’s almost as if they think the threat to shut it down in January will somehow not be accepted by the public. A solid 40% of the public thinks it should be shut down around. So…

 

Why shouldn't they try to get as much information as possible? They're going to make a report and I hope like Hell that they publish it. No matter the outcome of the election. Why give up because something in the future might happen? That's defeatist.

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1 hour ago, tshile said:

 

. A solid 40% of the public thinks it should be shut down around. So…

 

So a minority of people think it should be shut down, therefore they should do what a minority of people think?  Like a minority of people voted for Trump so he should be president because a minority of people think that?

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