Rookie QB or Veteran QB for "Next Season"??? (I didn't bump this, but I ended up being wrong anyway....)

[Going Commando]

1 hour ago, Rskins91 said:

I’m fairly certain we had the #17 pick in 2017. Wasn’t the 2nd pick traded to Chicago for Trubisky that year?

 

SF wanted to trade the #2 pick to us for Kirk Cousins and Bruce Allen turned them down.  We could have had Watson and still picked Allen.

[DazedSkinsfan]

2 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

 

SF wanted to trade the #2 pick to us for Kirk Cousins and Bruce Allen turned them down.  We could have had Watson and still picked Allen.

Just reading that makes me want to vomit 😢🤢

Seriously though,  I would love to have Watson,  even if it was a costly move, but right now I'm going to believe that he stays in Houston.  With that said,  if we're going to trade away the farm for a franchise qb, then if we can't get Watson,  why not trade up and get our guy in the draft.

[Going Commando]

4 minutes ago, DazedSkinsfan said:

Just reading that makes me want to vomit 😢🤢

Seriously though,  I would love to have Watson,  even if it was a costly move, but right now I'm going to believe that he stays in Houston.  With that said,  if we're going to trade away the farm for a franchise qb, then if we can't get Watson,  why not trade up and get our guy in the draft.

 

We could have gotten a first round pick for Trent too and Bruce Allen nixed that as well.  He was a catastrophically stupid and spiteful football executive.  Those were two horrific mistakes that I don't think many of us on here would have made if we'd been in charge.

[wit33]

16 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

 

SF wanted to trade the #2 pick to us for Kirk Cousins and Bruce Allen turned them down.  We could have had Watson and still picked Allen.

 

1 minute ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

 

We could have gotten a first round pick for Trent too and Bruce Allen nixed that as well.  He was a catastrophically stupid and spiteful football executive.  Those were two horrific mistakes that I don't think many of us on here would have made if we'd been in charge.

Both of these have never been proven to be fact and local reporters have not come to a consensus on these reports. 
 

 

 

[rumplestilskin]

5 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

 

We could have gotten a first round pick for Trent too and Bruce Allen nixed that as well.  He was a catastrophically stupid and spiteful football executive.  Those were two horrific mistakes that I don't think many of us on here would have made if we'd been in charge.

You should stop. He is already puking, anymore Bruce Allen talk and he may poop his pants.

[KDawg]

10 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

 

We could have gotten a first round pick for Trent too and Bruce Allen nixed that as well.  He was a catastrophically stupid and spiteful football executive.  Those were two horrific mistakes that I don't think many of us on here would have made if we'd been in charge.

Bruce Allen and Dan Snyder combined set the franchise back a year every year. It’s scary how bad they were.

[method man]

51 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

 

SF wanted to trade the #2 pick to us for Kirk Cousins and Bruce Allen turned them down.  We could have had Watson and still picked Allen.

Not totally true. SF had multiple no. 1 picks that year. It is far more likely they were talking about moving one of the other 1sts they held

[mistertim]

lol

 

Can we stop with the Watson talk?

 

They're not going to trade him unless he literally refuses to play. And I think that's unlikely.

[KDawg]

I’m out on Watson regardless now that I see who his agent is. David Mulgheta. Dwayne Haskins former agent.

[SemperFi Skins]

can someone document a drug problem or something for Watson so Texans feel the need to get rid of him sooner than later... and for less

Just now, KDawg said:

I’m out on Watson regardless now that I see who his agent is. David Mulgheta. Dwayne Haskins former agent.

 

I brought that up yesterday on twitter and was blasted by people saying "yea, the same agent that dumped Haskins."

 

But I recall the agent coming at the organization hard with his tweets and press releases in regards to Haskins

[CapsSkins]

9 minutes ago, KDawg said:

I’m out on Watson regardless now that I see who his agent is. David Mulgheta. Dwayne Haskins former agent.

 

Nah, don't read into that. It's agents' job to be in biz w/ all 32 teams. Whether they take a friendly or hardline posture w/ a team is case by case depending on which client they're servicing, but there is 0% chance Mulugheta would compromise his ability to do business by burning a bridge with a team. I bet there are other Mulugheta clients on the roster right now.  

[SemperFi Skins]

listening to new Texans GM on Watson reminds me of this:

 

Kliff Kingsbury: "Josh (Rosen) Is Our Guy"

Despite Kyler Murray speculation, coach reiterates faith in 2018 first-round pick

[CTskin]

Curious why people are so willing to mortgage the future on Watson, but wouldn’t simply pay dak? I see dak nearly on the same level as Watson, but we could get him for free... yes, this is assuming he hits FA.

 

Dak- give up zero draft capital, pay $40m/yr

Deshaun- sign away our future, pay $40m/yr

 

We’re not talking about mahomes here. I love deshaun, but look how far he led his team this year... deshaun and dak are 1a 1b. It should be no-brainer for those so willing to give up the world for deshaun to be more than happy to pay dak if he hits the market.

[SemperFi Skins]

Dak not in the same league as Watson... period

[Koolblue13]

I don't want Dak one bit.

[steven11]

15 hours ago, Number 44 said:

You ever been in Denver or Chicago in January?

I meant the organization, not the city.

[heyholetsgogrant]

6 hours ago, Ball Security said:

Does this include roll over money from 2020?

He has a dead cap space of $10 million next season and $5 million for 2022. if we cut him or he retires (like I expect), we save $14 million because he's making $24 million this season.  That would bump our cap space to $50 million +,  Keep in mind we still have some FA's to sign.  
Alex Smith Contract Breakdowns, Salary Cap Figures, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac
 

Edited January 8, 2021 by heyholetsgogrant

[Ball Security]

5 minutes ago, heyholetsgogrant said:

His has a dead cap next season (whether we cut or trade him) of $10.8 million and $5 million in 2022:
Alex Smith Contract Breakdowns, Salary Cap Figures, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac

However, if we cut him or he retires (like I expect), we save $14 million because he's making $24 million this season. That would bump our cap space to $50 million +.  Keep in mind we still have some FA's to sign.  



 

Got it.  But my question is more around the unused cap from 2020 which is like 20-22M according to over the cap.  Either all or a portion of that should roll over in 2021?  Is he including that?

[Est.1974]

1 hour ago, KDawg said:

I’m out on Watson regardless now that I see who his agent is. David Mulgheta. Dwayne Haskins former agent.

Really?

[FootballZombie]

1 hour ago, CTskin said:

Curious why people are so willing to mortgage the future on Watson, but wouldn’t simply pay dak? I see dak nearly on the same level as Watson, but we could get him for free... yes, this is assuming he hits FA.

 

Dak- give up zero draft capital, pay $40m/yr

Deshaun- sign away our future, pay $40m/yr

 

Dak does not equal Deshaun.

 

A team that trades for him also would not have to pay 40+ Mil like you would for Dak. the cap hits would be:

 

$10.54 million in 2021, $35 million in 2022, $37 million in 2023, and $32 million in 2024 and in 2025.

https://overthecap.com/deshaun-watson-unhappy-with-texans/

 

That is not enough money to offset the assets you'd have to ship out, but from a purely financial standpoint you laugh all the way to the bank having a elite QB on those numbers.

 

I don't see him leaving Dallas, but Dak in FA would not be a bad get either. You'll have to give up Mahomes money tho. FA will boost his yeild

 

Edited January 8, 2021 by FootballZombie

[Est.1974]

7 minutes ago, Ball Security said:

Got it.  But my question is more around the unused cap from 2020 which is like 20-22M according to over the cap.  Either all or a portion of that should roll over in 2021?  Is he including that?

good question, agree, not clear. Plus the Roullier deal changes those numbers.

[HoggLife]

10 minutes ago, FootballZombie said:

 

Dak does not equal Deshaun.

 

A team that trades for him also would not have to pay 40+ Mil like you would for Dak. the cap hits would be:

 

$10.54 million in 2021, $35 million in 2022, $37 million in 2023, and $32 million in 2024 and in 2025.

https://overthecap.com/deshaun-watson-unhappy-with-texans/

 

That is not enough money to offset the assets you'd have to ship out, but from a purely financial standpoint you laugh all the way to the bank having a elite QB on those numbers.

 

I don't see him leaving Dallas, but Dak in FA would not be a bad get either. You'll have to give up Mahomes money tho. FA will boost his yeild

 

What if we didn't want Cooper but acted like we were to drive up his price. And we do the same with Dak?

[FootballZombie]

1 minute ago, HoggLife said:

What if we didn't want Cooper but acted like we were to drive up his price. And we do the same with Dak?

 

It would be stupid not to. We should have a guy working full time to bang on Dak's agents door yelling "tell me the number, we will match it". Make your interest known to the public. Drive that price as high as possible

 

He is going to get 40M + a year

 

Of course it would all have to be secretive, Tampering and all that. Maybe don't give the guy banging on the door the planned megaphone.

[Est.1974]

6 minutes ago, HoggLife said:

What if we didn't want Cooper but acted like we were to drive up his price. And we do the same with Dak?

Very possible. We were never close with Copper really, it was smoke and mirrors.

[tmandoug1]

How about we see how he heals up before we think of paying Dak a kings ransom.