Rookie QB or Veteran QB for "Next Season"??? (I didn't bump this, but I ended up being wrong anyway....)

[Blanka]

His No-Trade clause is a huge factor, can potentially angle where he wants to go rather than where Texans get the craziest offer. 
 

Of course it would still have to be a great offer or Houston can just force him to stay but it technically doesn’t have to be the best offer of the bunch. 

Edited January 7, 2021 by Blanka
Grammatical error

[HigSkin]

If you look at QB needy teams outside the top 10 who pick before the WFT and might be in competition for Watson it would be SF and New England.  I really don't see the Patriots giving up the farm but definitely could see SF doing it.  There's been some chatter with SF doing that a couple months ago but it'd probably take something like 3 first rounders and after June 5th to avoid a bigger cap hit.  That means after the draft.

 

I just think it's too much precious capitol for the WFT, given they really need the draft to supplement the upcoming big contracts in a couple years.

[JoggingGod]

18 minutes ago, HigSkin said:

 

I just think it's too much precious capitol for the WFT, given they really need the draft to supplement the upcoming big contracts in a couple years

They can afford to pay their core players if they’re savvy with the cap. Watson is a borderline elite QB who would keep us in contention year in and year out.

[KDawg]

43 minutes ago, Anselmheifer said:

Three 1sts. And Ioannidis. Automatic SB contenders. 

I wouldn’t do 3 firsts. But I’d give up 2. He’d be franchise changing.

[PlayAction]

21 hours ago, CTskin said:

couldn’t be happier that we made the playoffs, but if we get wiped by TB then it’s going to be hard to not wish we had the #10 pick and a good chance at drafting a franchise qb.

 

How much value do you put on giving the current players some experience in the playoffs?  In prior Skins teams the players often just wanted to get paid.  These guys are going to really want to get back to the playoffs and do better in the future.  Is that worth picking 9 slots higher?  You don't know with the draft picks until after 2-3 years so I'm sticking with giving the team the experience and building the competitive fire.  

[method man]

12 minutes ago, KDawg said:

I wouldn’t do 3 firsts. But I’d give up 2. He’d be franchise changing.

You would probably have to give up 2 1sts+ more. Maybe a couple 2nds + a player or two also

4 minutes ago, PlayAction said:

 

How much value do you put on giving the current players some experience in the playoffs?  In prior Skins teams the players often just wanted to get paid.  These guys are going to really want to get back to the playoffs and do better in the future.  Is that worth picking 9 slots higher?  You don't know with the draft picks until after 2-3 years so I'm sticking with giving the team the experience and building the competitive fire.  

If this were a veteran team, it wouldn’t help much. However, the best players on this team are on rookie contracts and many hopefully stay long term on 2nd and 3rd contracts. Also, Loverro brings us a good point that this will help solidify Rivera’s power in the org in the eyes of Snyder

Edited January 7, 2021 by method man

[PlayAction]

1 minute ago, method man said:

You would probably have to give up 2 1sts+ more. Maybe a couple 2nds + a player or two also

 

In other words, another RG3-sized deal but for a proven player.  That's still too rich for me.  How well would he fit the scheme?  How many holes can Washington fill with all those picks?  The Texans would be smart to try to get Watson to agree to a trade.  The Texans were so mismanaged they need to take a few years to tear out all the damage and rebuild.  Watson is wasted talent for them.    

[Thinking Skins]

As much as I'm in the late round steals for a QB, I think that there is some merit to seeing what happened with Mahomes, Allen and Watson. Heck, even look at Herbert. All these guys were the late guys taken in a top heavy QB draft. In a sense so was Haskins but lets ignore that for a second (maybe not top heavy). And there was the Allen vs Rosen (Rosen was taken after Allen) and has had a completely opposite career trajectory. And Mahomes and Watson were guys taken in the 10+ positions in the draft. 

 

All that said, it may be an idea for us to sit at 19/20 and just watch how the draft transpires and say we pick a spot / trade partner (say number 10 with the Chargers or somebody who isn't really looking at drafting a QB). So we have an idea that if Wilson or Fields or Lance drops to that spot (unexpected sure, but there is the Rogers dropping year, and the unexpected things that happen in a draft. Heck, I thought Tua dropped to 5. So what about doing the KC package (adding an extra first and third) or so and moving up to this spot if the guy we like is there but not overdoing it and overcommitting to one of these QBs by giving up too much. 

[DJHJR86]

58 minutes ago, Bonez3 said:

Get Watson Please, by all means necessary

 

No thanks.  I thought we didn't like quarterbacks with losing records who put up big numbers in "garbage time"?  He's being paid like he's Mahomes and he isn't.  8-18 against teams with winning records.  

[JoggingGod]

All of you who are sneering at Watson are stupid. He’s a franchise changing QB.

[TheBlueIndian]

32 minutes ago, method man said:

You would probably have to give up 2 1sts+ more. Maybe a couple 2nds + a player or two also

 Nah man this is the Texans, they make Cerattolike deals all the time. 

 

Apke, a 4th and a conditional 5th

[tmandoug1]

3 minutes ago, JoggingGod said:

All of you who are sneering at Watson are stupid. He’s a franchise changing QB.

Most excellent way to prove your point.......call people stupid.

[HigSkin]

😂😂

 

 

 

[kingdaddy]

1 hour ago, KDawg said:

I wouldn’t do 3 firsts. But I’d give up 2. He’d be franchise changing.

Yes, I would give up 2021 and 2022 1sts plus a 2021 3rd and 2022 4th.....4 picks and I'd throw in a player if that helps. Cant mess around with this....Wow, how great would this team look with Watson?

3 minutes ago, HigSkin said:

😂😂

 

 

Can't be #4 here unfortunately, that number belongs to Heinicke.

[Koolblue13]

I'd hate to give up 2 firsts, but next years will be pretty high anyway. I'd give them 4 2nds lol. 

 

I'd love to get Watson. This team would become incredibly electric to watch. 

[Skinsinparadise]

who knows but here's a counter opinion

 

 

 

[Rogue Jedi]

Trade for Deshaun Watson re-sign Scherff and sign JuJu Smith-Schuster. Boom, I fixed Washington football.

[Skinsinparadise]

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Edited January 7, 2021 by Skinsinparadise

[wit33]

 

2 hours ago, KDawg said:

What makes you think Cam stabilizes the franchise more than, say, Kyle Allen for the time being?

 

 

Kyle Allen hasn’t shown himself to be a professional QB in way managing games consistently and not imploding. I think Ron brings in a “grown up” in the QB room next season as it appears to be trending Smith may not return/lack of trust to remain healthy for a season. 

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

[SeatCushionGame]

Keep building through the draft.  I'd rather not trade picks and probably a d-line stud, even for Watson.  I would be willing to trade up to get Lance, Fields or Wilson if they dropped to the low teens for some reason.

[kingdaddy]

Just now, wit33 said:

 

 

 

Kyle Allen hasn’t shown himself to be a professional QB in way managing games consistently and not imploding. I think Ron brings in a “grown up” in the QB room next season as it appears to be trending Smith may not return/lack of trust to remain healthy for a season. 

This is what I think, Cam brings a person that RR trusts at the position until someone better comes along.....It's not that Cam is good or bad, it's that we need someone who we can compete with and he'd bring that. Remember, RR is impatient and wants to win now, Cam can read defenses and brings a vet presence that RR is familiar with and I think that will be important to RR. 

All that said, if someone like Watson comes available that's the guy you go and get. 

[Renegade7]

Do what you gotta do

 

 

[wit33]

9 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

This is what I think, Cam brings a person that RR trusts at the position until someone better comes along.....It's not that Cam is good or bad, it's that we need someone who we can compete with and he'd bring that. Remember, RR is impatient and wants to win now, Cam can read defenses and brings a vet presence that RR is familiar with and I think that will be important to RR. 

All that said, if someone like Watson comes available that's the guy you go and get. 

Ya, I don’t believe Newton is great, but would expect the team to be dynamic in the run game, red zone, and RPO (slants to Mcclaurin). Just want some known variables at the QB position due to believing the teams SB window starts next year. Newton, Allen, and a rookie sounds good to me for next season. 
 

Id entertain the idea of Matt Ryan if the Falcons decided to release him and let him choose his team (like Peyton Manning). No interest in trading draft picks. 

[Warhead36]

The Texans aren't trading Watson. Don't see why this is even being discussed. Might as well try to trade for Pat Mahomes while we're at it. I prefer to live in the land of reality.