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Rookie QB or Veteran QB for 2021???


Rookie QB or Veteran QB for next season(2021)???  

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  1. 1. Rookie QB or Veteran QB for next season (2021)???

    • Draft QB first round
    • Rookie QB from outside first round
    • Sign FA Veteran
    • Trade for Veteran
    • Stand Pat with one of the QBs we have on Roster, draft QB in 2022 Draft iinstead
    • I don't know
    • I don't care
    • I'm tired of 5 year development plans burned to the ground in less then 2
  2. 2. Rookie QB or Veteran QB for next season (2021)??? - (Feb 2020)

    • Draft QB first round
    • Rookie QB from outside first round
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    • Sign FA Veteran
    • Trade for Veteran
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    • Stand Pat with one of the QBs we have on Roster, draft QB in 2022 Draft iinstead
    • I don't know
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    • I don't care
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    • I'm tired of 5 year development plans burned to the ground in less then 2
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11 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

 

This is your response?

 

Yes.  You didn't respond to the points I made which clearly contradict to your argument.  Instead you built a couple strawmen for distraction.  Why would I respond?

 

11 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

 

Haskins was a first round pick going into his second year on the upswing.  Of course he had value, and the only reason Redskins fans are pretending he didn't is because they need to believe in Rivera.  They need to believe he didn't ****ing puke all over himself with his QBs this season.

 

Right now our QB situation is a dead cap hit and a pair of long shot UDFAs competing in camp for the starting job.  Abso****inglutely we'd be better right now if we hadn't made a ragtag 7-9 run and first round ass-whupping and we had a top five pick and a chance at a good QB that wouldn't require trading a bunch of picks to get.  Duh.  If we had premium draft picks we might get Russell Wilson or Deshaun Watson.  Or we could stand pat and pick someone good.  Instead we're in no man's land with no clear avenues of getting better beyond a ****ing hail mary that Taylor Heinickie is the next Kurt Warner.

 

See, this is another strawman.  Of course we would be better off having gone 5-11 and holding the #8 pick.  It has absolutely nothing to do with Haskins having "value" or Rivera "****ing puking all over himself" which is just more utter nonsense.

 

You're in O.J. land man.   None of this is based on anything other than you're inability to admit you were wrong about Haskins.  It's actually embarrassing to see the lengths you'll go to rather than just taking the L and moving on.

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32 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

Did we mismanage RG3?  Jason Campbell?  Ramsey?  No, no, and no, they were garbage with ceilings we couldn't do anything with and shouldn't of picked them in the first place.  All for different reasons but very similar results.  I'm an absolute pessimist on drafting QBs right now until someone in this organization proves we can get it right.  I get where Steve is coming from, its not all BS, it still comes back to Haskins himself being BS, thus why it would've failed no matter what.  We have to accept that we are the problem by picking these bammas in the first place.

I agree with your take on Haskins but we mismanaged RG3 horribly. That’s not to say he wasn’t going to be the catalyst to his own undoing eventually but the environment was terrible for him. He was basically given complete freedom to say and do whatever he wanted. Dan treated him like his best bud, Shanahan basically let him do what he wanted in practice and didn’t bother caring that Robert spent more time fine-tuning his brand than studying the playbook. Then when he got injured, especially in the Seattle game, Mike and the trainers allowed RG3 to decide whether or not he was healthy enough to continue where we all saw he wasnt. If there was a staff in place that actually coached instead of coddled then who knows what would have happened?

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17 minutes ago, PartyPosse said:

I agree with your take on Haskins but we mismanaged RG3 horribly. That’s not to say he wasn’t going to be the catalyst to his own undoing eventually but the environment was terrible for him. He was basically given complete freedom to say and do whatever he wanted. Dan treated him like his best bud, Shanahan basically let him do what he wanted in practice and didn’t bother caring that Robert spent more time fine-tuning his brand than studying the playbook. Then when he got injured, especially in the Seattle game, Mike and the trainers allowed RG3 to decide whether or not he was healthy enough to continue where we all saw he wasnt. If there was a staff in place that actually coached instead of coddled then who knows what would have happened?

 

Fair, but he still would've failed because he didn't have a route tree at Baylor.  We never should've made that pick, is what it is, not where I'd like to have this convo.

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43 minutes ago, Darth Tater said:

Whether we mismanaged RG3, Campbell or not is irrelevant as those guys were QBs in different regimes, IF one believes RON RIVERA and the current regime mismanaged Haskins is relevant going forward. The only argument against stevemcqueen1's position is that the failure was not mismanagement, not the assertion that the failure itself is irrelevant.

 

I dont want to spend a lot of time on this, Ron was supposed to save Haskins career the way Jay was supposed to save Griffins.  They tried, they failed, there was potential there otherwise they wouldn't of been first round picks and didn't get it done.

 

I'll say this, pick the right player then we can have the conversation about whether the mismanagement mattered and to what extent. Ron is not perfect, but I don't agree he screwed up Haskins,  jus couldn't develop him and save his career.

 

Are we gonna wait to see if the Steelers figure it out or focus on who our 2021 QB is gonna be? 

 

Again, I dont care what the reason is we are failing on these rookie QBs right now, I want a veteran for a breather.  I've been debating this here for almost 20 years now, its obvious, we are picking the wrong QBs in the first place.  That's scouting, thats meddling, before coach even has a chance to screw it up.

 

Ron inherited a prospect with a **** personality.  If the only way to manage it properly was results that was never going to happen, is that fair to Ron? Is that fair to any coach to say they failed an impossible task?

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53 minutes ago, Darth Tater said:

Whether we mismanaged RG3, Campbell or not is irrelevant as those guys were QBs in different regimes, IF one believes RON RIVERA and the current regime mismanaged Haskins is relevant going forward. The only argument against stevemcqueen1's position is that the failure was not mismanagement, not the assertion that the failure itself is irrelevant.

 

Exactly.  The "we" is a totally different group of people.  

 

We're going to have to get the bat off our shoulder at some point.  It doesn't *have* to be this offseason, but it sure seems like the options in both trade and draft are much better than a typical offseason.  To continue the analogy, I either want to swing for the fences (Watson, top 4 rookies) or drop a bunt (Fitz, Mariota if released).  If we decide to bunt, it would be smart to trade back in multiple rounds and try to acquire extra ammo for next offseason because at some point, we will need to make a big investment in QB.

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1 hour ago, 86 Snyder said:

 

Exactly.  The "we" is a totally different group of people.  

 

We're going to have to get the bat off our shoulder at some point.  It doesn't *have* to be this offseason, but it sure seems like the options in both trade and draft are much better than a typical offseason.  To continue the analogy, I either want to swing for the fences (Watson, top 4 rookies) or drop a bunt (Fitz, Mariota if released).  If we decide to bunt, it would be smart to trade back in multiple rounds and try to acquire extra ammo for next offseason because at some point, we will need to make a big investment in QB.

Next years QB class is straight trash. Maybe you mean acquiring draft capital to trade for a QB? If not it’s pointless, this was the year to tank for a QB, so was last year. We botched it and now we’re screwed. It really is as simple as that and yes it is the end all be all (responding to a separate poster there) Without a QB, building a contender is a pipe dream. Rivera is set to turn us into a perpetual Norv-like team in terms of W/L record. Not bad enough to get the draft capital to fix the problems and not good enough to matter barring a saints getting Brees type scenario.

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10 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

Next years QB class is straight trash.

Build the rest of the team. Vet QB's are always out there and if you have everything else in place, you are a destination.

Rodgers, Dak, Derek, Watson, Wilson, one of them will be available to be had either via trade or released / FA.

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20 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

Next years QB class is straight trash. Maybe you mean acquiring draft capital to trade for a QB? If not it’s pointless, this was the year to tank for a QB, so was last year. We botched it and now we’re screwed. It really is as simple as that and yes it is the end all be all (responding to a separate poster there) Without a QB, building a contender is a pipe dream. Rivera is set to turn us into a perpetual Norv-like team in terms of W/L record. Not bad enough to get the draft capital to fix the problems and not good enough to matter barring a saints getting Brees type scenario.

 

I know the early returns on 22 are not positive.  Maybe someone emerges?  Either way, I'd advocate that strategy for trade purposes or if nothing materializes, doing it again to push for the 23 class.  I'd prefer to swing big this year though for the reasons you mentioned.

 

Agreed, we'd be in better shape had they tanked and I wish they had, but it is what it is.  I'm looking for ways to find a qb within our reality.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

Next years QB class is straight trash.

Yep and drafting a QB this year is probably the only option to get a Rookie trained before Free-Agency begins to dismantle your defense.  Probably why they have like 3 GM's in the FO.

There's no way to guess what they're thinking.  PATIENTS.

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2 minutes ago, daveakl said:

Build the rest of the team. Vet QB's are always out there and if you have everything else in place, you are a destination.

Rodgers, Dak, Derek, Watson, Wilson, one of them will be available to be had either via trade or released / FA.

I'd rather get a rookie QB and have that friendly rookie contract for 5 years. The furthest I would move up is the 7th pick in this draft which would cost us our 2nd and our SF 3rd round pick. That's significantly cheaper than what it would cost to get one of these guys on our team. 

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