justice98 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Koolblue13 said: Also means Gibson must look great and that Love has a better shot now. It better mean more than that. If he's not THE guy now, we're gonna be in trouble. We'll be the 32nd team in rushing, hands down. I do not want to see them putting it in the belly of Peyton Barber for 3 yards 15-20 times a game. He's not a particularly good player, IMO, but I didn't mind it when he was 4th/5th on the depth chart. Whatever the criticisms of AP were, they apply to Barber. I don't see Gibson getting volume in the run game, so those carries AP woulda got are gonna have to go somewhere. I hope it's Love, and we don't know what he's gonna do since he hasn't taken a snap yet in a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, justice98 said: It better mean more than that. If he's not THE guy now, we're gonna be in trouble. We'll be the 32nd team in rushing, hands down. I do not want to see them putting it in the belly of Peyton Barber for 3 yards 15-20 times a game. He's not a particularly good player, IMO, but I didn't mind it when he was 4th/5th on the depth chart. Whatever the criticisms of AP were, they apply to Barber. I don't see Gibson getting volume in the run game, so those carries AP woulda got are gonna have to go somewhere. I hope it's Love, and we don't know what he's gonna do since he hasn't taken a snap yet in a game. 3rd down backs/specialists who only see a few plays don't win offensive rookie of the year so, I think plenty of people disagree with you on Gibson and the run game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Conn Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Anybody who bets on Gibson to win that award with Burrow (and Tua for a partial season) and tons of other skill position rookies who could have big roles in play...deserves to lose their money. It’s very rarely not a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 2 hours ago, KDawg said: No versatility. He’s a back. Nothing else. Every other back can play on specs, better pass catchers and bigger playmakers. None are the RUNNING back AP is. But that’s AP’s game. It doesn’t fit in the offense. i thought for sure they’d attempt to shoehorn him in... but this cut does make sense. Which one of the current stable of backs has shown you versatility to be the #1 RB? Bryce Love? The criticism of him coming out was he wasn't much of a receiver in college, ie. one dimensional. Whether he can or can't, they chose not to throw it to him at Stanford. So we don't know what he can do in that regard. Antonio Gibson? You wanna had him the rock between the tackles on a regular basis? He's gonna get all the sweeps and screens he can handle. Peyton Barber? He's as one dimensional as AP was, just less talented at that one dimension. Gibson can probably return the occasional kickoff that might be returnable. Barber maybe has covered kicks, but when has Love been used on ST? Gibson's probably the best receiver of the group, but there's no evidence Barber and Love are better pass catchers. AP can break big runs, we've seen it. Barber's longest run in his career is 44 yards. Playmaking isn't his deal. So you're left with Love and Gibson, who have zero plays made thus far. They're intriguing, but folks are putting a LOT of faith in them, based off not much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 You don’t need a bellcow or a #1 RB at all, that’s the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wit33 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 50 minutes ago, mistertim said: Thanks, hadn't seen this. He looked more impressive there in that role than I thought he would. Some really nice jump cuts and he seems to have good vision to find holes. Still somewhat raw as a pure RB, but that's kinda to be expected. Wild, I saw the direct opposite, in regards to his ability bro run between the tackles, but agree with the explosion. I like that he has the ability to physically do it, which is great for scheming purposes. 5 minutes ago, justice98 said: Gibson can probably return the occasional kickoff that might be returnable. Barber maybe has covered kicks, but when has Love been used on ST? Gibson's probably the best receiver of the group, but there's no evidence Barber and Love are better pass catchers. AP can break big runs, we've seen it. Barber's longest run in his career is 44 yards. Playmaking isn't his deal. So you're left with Love and Gibson, who have zero plays made thus far. They're intriguing, but folks are putting a LOT of faith in them, based off not much. Barber is solid at everything, that’s his value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 2 hours ago, KDawg said: Was totally with you on Gibson. I know SIP was as well. It was the most exciting draft pick for me (mostly because we knew Young was a virtual lock, so there wasn't much intrigue ) Yep loved him. I know you did, too. I put him on my short list of "my guys" the draft before the draft. Peterson raved about him just now on the radio, got me hyped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Really starting to worry about this Fuller injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said: You don’t need a bellcow or a #1 RB at all, that’s the point. If you have a top tier QB, then you don't need one. Everybody else needs one. Or at least a couple guys to approximate one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, wit33 said: Wild, I saw the direct opposite, in regards to his ability bro run between the tackles, but agree with the explosion. I like that he has the ability to physically do it, which is great for scheming purposes. Barber is solid at everything, that’s his value. Well I definitely agree with you that he's raw, but that's not unexpected. But to my eyes he was better than I thought he'd be. There were some instances there where he missed holes, but there were also some where he found them quick and made a lot out of them. Some of that is also to be expected when playing in a completely new offense with an unfamiliar OL. That being said, I also still think that playing him primarily in that role would be a waste of his talents. Not that I think Turner will, just an observation on a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, wit33 said: Barber is solid at everything, that’s his value. He's not. That's why he didn't have much of a market and came here at the bottom of the depth chart. His tape in Tampa was very meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oraphus Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Why does everyone assume the Love will be the primary back?... its much more likely that Barber is the primary back with Gibson the change of pace. Love has never taken a snap in the NFL, even preseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 minute ago, oraphus said: Why does everyone assume the Love will be the primary back?... its much more likely that Barber is the primary back with Gibson the change of pace. Love has never taken a snap in the NFL, even preseason I think it's less people assuming it, and more hopeful projection. I don't think anybody really wants to see Barber as the primary back, even if some folks think he's better than I think he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, justice98 said: If you have a top tier QB, then you don't need one. Everybody else needs one. Or at least a couple guys to approximate one. Only if they reach a certain quality threshold, and even that is arguable. Barkley, CMC, Henry? Sure. Especially with an OL. AP was not that guy at all, he doesn’t gain extra value just because he’s the closest approximation we had to the type of player who theoretically COULD vault our offense into being respectable if he existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Barber will not be the primary back. If he is, it won't last long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 I suspect Barber is the safety net. Same thing for McKissic. They'll probably start and get a lot of play, but the hope will be that later on in the season and for the future it'll be Gibson and Love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Blaster Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Man people watched Shanahan in the Super Bowl and still think there has to be a main RB that gets 25 carries a game and is a freak athlete instead of multiple backs with multiple shifts and motions getting the ball in space. Interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 29 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said: You don’t need a bellcow or a #1 RB at all, that’s the point. While that’s true, like the issue with AD and telegraphing plays when he’s in, you still need a more versatile do-it-all back. With Gibson in you won’t see a lot of north-south run plays. Same with J.D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malapropismic Depository Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Remember a 6th round Unknown guy named Alfred Morris came in as a rookie and started every game. So it's not out of the question that Love is the starter. I think they preserve Gibson's wear and tear, due to his value in the passing game, and therefore don't rely on him as primary rusher. And the other RB's don't warrant the starting job clearly. So, by process of elimination it has to be Love. Crazy, considering just a matter of days ago, some fans and writers were calling him the odd man out of the roster. Although I would not be surprised to see them go with Gibson as the primary back, and McKissic as the primary receiving back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Has there been any shift in the first team reps at RB? Hasn't AP been getting the lion's share of them all this time? If they thought this might be coming, have they been working other guys in with the first team? It just seems abrupt. Maybe it's not, but it seems that way. But I haven't been charting training camps practice reps at RB either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wit33 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, justice98 said: He's not. That's why he didn't have much of a market and came here at the bottom of the depth chart. His tape in Tampa was very meh. What is he not solid at? I’m not a big supporter of the dude, but I value his staying power and history of starting. He’s known to have 3 down value, blocks, runs hard, and has good hands. Full disclosure, I was totally okay with him being cut for AP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 I’m surprised about Peterson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, Master Blaster said: Man people watched Shanahan in the Super Bowl and still think there has to be a main RB that gets 25 carries a game and is a freak athlete instead of multiple backs with multiple shifts and motions getting the ball in space. Interesting Shanahan is the exception to every rule when it comes to running the football. They're the best to do it. Like saying you shouldn't draft a QB high because Tom Brady was in the SB every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 31 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said: Really starting to worry about this Fuller injury. They might just be waiting until the last minute to keep him healthy. Maybe a game time decision? We know what he can do already, so the reps don’t bother me so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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