Malapropismic Depository Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Another sense that I'm getting, is that this guy could be insurance in case Charles' injury turns out to be long term. In other words, instead of being a reflection on Lucas' performance, it could be a reflection of Charles' health outlook. Could be wrong, but it looks like a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said: Another sense that I'm getting, is that this guy could be insurance in case Charles' injury turns out to be long term. In other words, instead of being a reflection on Lucas' performance, it could be a reflection of Charles' health outlook. Could be wrong, but it looks like a possibility. I get the same vibe. If Charles was looking promising, I don't think they'd make this move with only a few days before they have to cut some O-linemen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 I was predicting we would scour the cuts for an extra lineman. This trade though doesn't necessarily feel like the end. This feels like us getting Kyle Allen. I still think that Smith will be scanning the waiver wire come cut day and that we are unhappy with our starters/depth on the o line. Just hoping that most of the reason we are unhappy is because our d line is so good that they're making everyone look worse than they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 hour ago, stevemcqueen1 said: I don't think the offense is going to be very good. There is a lot of flux in the line-ups, which seems like a bad thing for an offense. I would guess that there isn't a ton of confidence or rhythm in execution right now. Too many young players still trying to figure out how to play the game at the NFL level, plus they are all adjusting to a new coaching staff. And to be blunt, it's not a very talent-laden group either. Scherff, Terry, and Dwayne are the only high level guys on that side of the ball. Alex Smith and AP are in the sunset of their careers, and all of the rest of the guys are mid-round to UDFA pedigree with whom we are hoping we struck gold. We're likely to have one of the worst offenses in the league this season. My expectations are low, so I'm just hoping the offense can hold onto the ball and not put our defense in bad situations all day. Tend to agree and didn’t mean to suggest they’ll be good. Wouldn’t be shocked if they’re better than last in the league by a good bit though. My main point was just maybe the O isn’t as bad as it seems; maybe the D is just that good. My hope for the oline is that they’re passable and helped out by misdirection plays and such. Having (likely) two weak links side by side on the left dampens that hope quite a bit. I might add Sims as high level (in respect to other slot receivers at least). A bigger sample size would make me more confident. Maybe we get lucky with Gibson/McKissick/Love, but yeah, we’re lacking some higher end players on O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Just seen we traded for OL. I’m not familiar with the guy at all but I’d still start him over Moses. And the left side of the line is perceived to be even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 23 minutes ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said: Just seen we traded for OL. I’m not familiar with the guy at all but I’d still start him over Moses. And the left side of the line is perceived to be even worse. You’d start a guy who we swapped 6th and 7th round pics for who couldn’t make the Raiders roster even though you know nothing about him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said: You’d start a guy who we swapped 6th and 7th round pics for who couldn’t make the Raiders roster even though you know nothing about him? It’s more an over exaggeration on my part to reflect how much I don’t rate Moses. Cut him and bank some more cap space for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 minute ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said: It’s more an over exaggeration on my part to reflect how much I don’t rate Moses. Cut him and bank some more cap space for next year. From some accounts he’s having an ok camp. I’d like to see how he does with a competent coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 50 minutes ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said: Just seen we traded for OL. I’m not familiar with the guy at all but I’d still start him over Moses. And the left side of the line is perceived to be even worse. This guy is markedly worse than Moses even. Future cap space is great but at some point you have to prioritize trying to develop Haskins by giving him the shadow of a pocket at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Listening to Keim right now, he doesn't think Foster or Love make the roster. Thinks even if there are 4 backs, Barber beats him. Digesting that and other things said by some watching practice, talking almost purely offense: Gibson emerged over time in practice, Love slid Lucas was bad. No one was even a challenge for Inman for the 3rd WR spot, Inman by a mile. Not that he was that hot but the others didn't distinguish themsleves. McKissic looked really good Christian was decent, he will start at LT. Wes Martin was often shaky. Thomas is the starting TE, had an up and down camp but more ups. Hard call as for what TEs after him make the roster, you can flip a coin Some on defense -- Keim thinks it ends up Holcomb, Davis, Bostic. Though KPL might take one of the spots. LB is the hardest spot to guess. Just now, Skinsinparadise said: Listening to Keim right now, he doesn't think Foster or Love make the roster. Thinks even if there are 4 backs, Barber beats him. Digesting that and other things said by some watching practice, talking almost purely offense: Gibson emerged over time in practice, Love slid Lucas was bad. No one was even a challenge for Inman for the 3rd WR spot, Inman by a mile. Not that he was that hot but the others didn't distinguish themsleves. McKissic looked really good Christian was decent, he will start at LT. Wes Martin was often shaky. Thomas is the starting TE, had an up and down camp but more ups. Hard call as for what TEs after him make the roster, you can flip a coin Some on defense -- Keim thinks it ends up Holcomb, Davis, Bostic. Though KPL might take one of the spots. LB is the hardest spot to guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 25 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: Listening to Keim right now, he doesn't think Foster or Love make the roster. Thinks even if there are 4 backs, Barber beats him. Digesting that and other things said by some watching practice, talking almost purely offense: Gibson emerged over time in practice, Love slid Lucas was bad. No one was even a challenge for Inman for the 3rd WR spot, Inman by a mile. Not that he was that hot but the others didn't distinguish themsleves. McKissic looked really good Christian was decent, he will start at LT. Wes Martin was often shaky. Thomas is the starting TE, had an up and down camp but more ups. Hard call as for what TEs after him make the roster, you can flip a coin Some on defense -- Keim thinks it ends up Holcomb, Davis, Bostic. Though KPL might take one of the spots. LB is the hardest spot to guess. Why does a quote of your post show up in your post? lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy Yoda Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Barber has one of the worst YPC averages I've ever seen, he has a career average of 3.6 YPC, how is it wise keeping him over Love? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 39 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said: This guy is markedly worse than Moses even. Future cap space is great but at some point you have to prioritize trying to develop Haskins by giving him the shadow of a pocket at least. Cant disagree that protecting Haskins should be a priority. Not convinced we’ve gone about that very well this offseason. Dare say you are right on Moses. His contract always looked like it would just about be worth keeping in 2020. Although if a scrub from the Raiders if worth a flip of late picks, shipping Moses out for say a 5th and saving 5mil in cap space would tempt me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Love getting cut would be a tremendous disappointment. Who are the receivers currently? I’ve literally heard nothing... McLaurin, AGG?, Inman?, Sims? Wright? In that order...? Thats... not a group that inspires. LB being a difficult spot to guess is probably because we aren’t good there. My biggest concerns in the offseason were OL/LB/secondary Now I’m concerned with OL/LB/RB/WR/Secondary. RB just because we’re an AP injury away from Gibson being the every down back... which I think I’m okay with. But the depth after is scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 If we cut Love, and Gibson gets hurt, the RB group will have gone from promising to dreary awfully quick. It'll also be a major disappointment if Gandy-Golden doesn't pan out either. To come away from the 2020 class with only one skill position keeper in Gibson would be a pretty large failure of drafting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyst Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Cutting Love would not be that surprising. He is coming off injury, was a late round pick and I’m not sure how well his game translates to the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakazullo21 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 By the way, the jump pass used to be a normal play. Eddie Lebaron was the best because he was short, he needed to jump over the line. The reason why you jump when rolling out and throwing is because when you are running to one side or the other you want to turn your hips and get square to the receiver to be more accurate. When you turn your hips, your legs are now going in a different direction from your hips and your shoulders. So the little hop is to get your feet off the ground, so you can turn your legs at the same time and not worry about tripping and falling on your face or the fact that you are now contorted with your legs going one way and your hips and shoulders going another. You hop a little turn your entire body to face the where the receiver is and you have a much better chance at being accurate. You notice his ball was right on the money. It used to be a taught play. Every once in a while you will see Tom Brady or someone use it on the goal line. They take two steps to the right fake the handoff, so your back is to the defense, then he turns and looks at the back of the endzone, usually a tight end has been sent on a post and because the LB's moved up for the fake, the QB turns quickly, and jumps and sends the pass to the TE. The jump again is to get your feet off the ground so you can turn all in one motion. It is actually sound technique for when you are ready to throw the ball, the jump allows you to quicken your delivery, because you are not taking a step or two to turn your body to throw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 That’s not what Haskins has done. The play in question? Yes. But he’s had a bad habit of doing it when not rolling. And, quite frankly, the way does it is very pronounced versus the way it’s usually done. Lets see what happens when it matters and withhold judgment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 I heard something weeks ago that Barber was clearly the best in pass protection of the RB's, so I'm guessing Love is not. Still disappointing he's slid, would've assumed the opposite as he gets more comfortable. Any idea if he's struggling to pick up run lanes/vision/etc for our run scheme or if he just lacks the chops against NFL talent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgeh Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 9 hours ago, Malapropismic Depository said: Another sense that I'm getting, is that this guy could be insurance in case Charles' injury turns out to be long term. In other words, instead of being a reflection on Lucas' performance, it could be a reflection of Charles' health outlook. Could be wrong, but it looks like a possibility. I think it's something like that. We can start the season with Charles on IR and bring him back once he's fully healthy. If Sharpe is actually a starter by the time Charles is available then things have gone badly wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy Yoda Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 19 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: If we cut Love, and Gibson gets hurt, the RB group will have gone from promising to dreary awfully quick. It'll also be a major disappointment if Gandy-Golden doesn't pan out either. To come away from the 2020 class with only one skill position keeper in Gibson would be a pretty large failure of drafting. I agree here, not a fan of cutting the young guy in place of Barber, especially since Barber hasn't proven he's anything more than a depth player after 4 years in the NFL. On Gandy-Golden, I will say it is disappointing he hasn't really stood out at all, I knew he would take some time to develop but we really have heard next to nothing about him. It seems like he's way behind, but coming from Liberty he gets the benefit of the doubt from me. I just read Inman was far and away our WR3 (very disturbing honestly), so... Steven Sims is the WR2? I haven't heard much about him, it seems like everyone that reports on our camp is talking about the depth guys who are shining, but I'm having a hard time determining from the reports who's looking good besides them. Seems like it's all Logan Thomas reports and then we hear he's been okay with ups and downs... lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 46 minutes ago, Califan007 said: Why does a quote of your post show up in your post? lol... LOL, don't know, it started yesterday where every time I edit a piece it posts twice. I am guessing, I've been flagged for having such riveting posts that the system thinks each one is worth emphasizing twice? 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Charles and Schweitzer hurt really blows. Sounds like Martin did not have the off-season we needed to improve. Just checked their cap numbers. Schweitzer has a dead cap hit if we cut him and Lucas does not. Schweitzer is also making more than double Lucas which I did not realize. Makes it seem like Lucas was always a bit more of a long shot to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 7 hours ago, skinny21 said: I might add Sims as high level (in respect to other slot receivers at least). A bigger sample size would make me more confident. Maybe we get lucky with Gibson/McKissick/Love, but yeah, we’re lacking some higher end players on O. I think you can definitely get a sense of the offense's quality independent of the performance of the defense. Our sentiments about Sims illustrate just how weak our skill group really is. If we look at the situation objectively, Sims is an undersized second year UDFA with 300 career receiving yards. If he played for another team, we'd think return specialist and fifth receiver. We would not be penciling him in as the second option for anything but a terrible offense. Other teams are playing guys like Julian Edelman, Tyler Lockett, Chris Godwin, Tyler Boyd (and Justin Jefferson), JuJu Smith-Schuster, Larry Fitzgerald, Keenan Allen, AJ Brown, Deebo Samuel, and probably Jerry Jeudy in the slot. That's a major difference in pedigree from Sims. I think it's likely that we have the least talented group of offensive skill players in the league as we head into the season. I'm hoping for some surprise WR cuts that we can jump on to be like we are adding draft picks. Guys who are good recent draftees who got drafted to vet-laden teams and had trouble cracking the depth chart due to the bizarre and disrupted off-season schedule. A Hakeem Butler or Tyler Johnson type of prospect. We represent a major opportunity for playing time for good young receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 50 minutes ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said: Cant disagree that protecting Haskins should be a priority. Not convinced we’ve gone about that very well this offseason. Dare say you are right on Moses. His contract always looked like it would just about be worth keeping in 2020. Although if a scrub from the Raiders if worth a flip of late picks, shipping Moses out for say a 5th and saving 5mil in cap space would tempt me. If you want to protect Haskins, then you take Moses over Sharpe every day. Moses had a 69.5 PFF grade in pass pro last season, Sharpe had a 50.6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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