A New Start! (the Reboot) The Front Office, Ownership, & Coaching Staff Thread

[Spaceman Spiff]

1 hour ago, Zim489 said:

I just dont see the answer out there. Want nothing to do with signing carr for 40-50 mil until his mid 30s. Jimmy G is a worse version. Draft isnt happening. So 2023 is already out for a QB room. So were looking at being exactly the same next year with likely less luck and up drafting 12-15 again and still be out of the running for the top QBs. 

 

Its really bleak. Its why some were so hell bent on tanking in 2020 and moving up in the draft in 2021. Unlikely to get that sort of top end talent at that spot in the draft for a while. QB drafting is becoming so wildly different than it was even just 5 years ago. Top talent isnt lasting into the teens any longer. 

 

I totally agree.  It is bleak out there.  And I don't want Carr.  Jimmy G is respectable but not a game changer

 

But let's rewind to a year ago, late November of 2021.  I don't think of any of us would have predicted that Carson Wentz was going to be our Week 1 starter for 2022 with Heinicke manning the helm of a 6-1 stretch later down the road.  If we were told that a year ago, there'd be a lot of disbelief.  On a similar note, I don't think anyone saw us pulling the trigger for the Alex Smith trade a few years ago.  I remember that happening and being totally shocked, I think we all were.  

 

So while it currently looks bleak, there's a lot that can happen between now and Week 1, 2023.  At this point, I wouldn't be shocked or surprised by anything, really.  I think looking at the inverse helps...while it's bleak on the surface, it's also completely wide open.

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

3 minutes ago, goskins10 said:

 

It's interesting those that have a problem with Ron were qwuick to say this is his entire roster when it was not playing well but now that they are playing well he is only responsible for the QB. Everything elaw he either jsut got lucky or someone else did it. 

This.

 

As someone in the middle of the road on Ron, I was also taken aback by just how poorly the team was playing to begin the season.  I was rather dug in that this roster was awful myself - particularly at interior OL, LB and secondary.  But they’ve gotten some guys back, parted ways with WJ3, adjusted their entire offensive scheme to fit Taylor, and they look like an entirely different team.  I’m man enough to admit I was wrong.

[method man]

8 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

I totally agree.  It is bleak out there.  And I don't want Carr.  Jimmy G is respectable but not a game changer

 

But let's rewind to a year ago, late November of 2021.  I don't think of any of us would have predicted that Carson Wentz was going to be our Week 1 starter for 2022 with Heinicke manning the helm of a 6-1 stretch later down the road.  If we were told that a year ago, there'd be a lot of disbelief.  On a similar note, I don't think anyone saw us pulling the trigger for the Alex Smith trade a few years ago.  I remember that happening and being totally shocked, I think we all were.  

 

So while it currently looks bleak, there's a lot that can happen between now and Week 1, 2023.  At this point, I wouldn't be shocked or surprised by anything, really.  I think looking at the inverse helps...while it's bleak on the surface, it's also completely wide open.

 

There is nothing to stop Bezos and Jay-Z from courting Brady now to sign with them this offseason as it is not meddling as they are not associated with the team and have not even formally placed a bid for the team

[Skinsinparadise]

3 hours ago, Zim489 said:

In the teams wins the opponents are 22-48-2 with a point differential of 44. Take out the eagles and they are 12-47-2 with 33 points over 6 games.In loses the opponents are 38-17 with a differential of 47 points. This is a bad bad football team that’s built entirely on luck beating horrible teams. They have played one good game against a quality opponent and had to have numerous things go their direction to even win that.If you do the oppo result in one score games (which in historical statistics is nearly 5050 across the league for each team) is 3-9. So they are even getting lucky against the bad teams too.

 

 

 

Don't forget they got smoked by the Titans and Vikings, if I recall they weren't even in that game so it showed they couldn't keep up with the big boys and exposing the Eagles game as an anamoly. 

[Cooleyfan1993]

2 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Don't forget they got smoked by the Titans and Vikings, if I recall they weren't even in that game so it showed they couldn't keep up with the big boys and exposing the Eagles game as an anamoly. 

Wait…..they, meaning Washington, weren’t even in the game Vs the titans/Vikings?

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

2 minutes ago, Cooleyfan1993 said:

Wait…..they, meaning Washington, weren’t even in the game Vs the titans/Vikings?

[Commander PK]

13 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said:

I think it matters more WHERE you go, not WHEN you go. There is a reason the same 5-6 teams are always drafting in the top 10.

 

Excellent point

 

Bottom line, it's pretty much getting lucky with the QB, but if the surrounding cast lacks in talent it's not going to make a difference.  Outside of the Brady-Belichick era of the Patriots over the last 20 years, the rest of the winners could have been anyone.  For most, things went right at the right time.  The good organizations consistently put themselves in position to have a chance in the end, but it's often better to be lucky than good.  

28 minutes ago, NickyJ said:

The last time I saw a QB this fired up was Alex Smith when he was upset he was being benched for the Buccaneers game, Steven Montez when he was airing out his Haskins grievances on Twitter, and Kyle Allen when got the starting job.

 

I didn't see a whole lot of Garrett Gilbert during pre-game, but I bet he was pretty enthusiastic to start for the first time in forever when Covid hit.

 

We let a whole Super Bowl's worth of enthusiasm go in the QB locker room.

 

lol

 

Taylor is certainly an over-achiever, but I believe his personality is a big reason why.  Some people just have "it". 

[Die Hard]

40 minutes ago, goskins10 said:

t's interesting those that have a problem with Ron were qwuick to say this is his entire roster when it was not playing well but now that they are playing well he is only responsible for the QB.

Our offensive line has been a strength of this team during for Rivera’s first 2 years. Matko got a lot of credit. Now the unit is playing like trash despite the team being 7-5. Now, is he a good coach or a poor one?

 

 

 

 

[Ball Security]

30 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Don't forget they got smoked by the Titans and Vikings, if I recall they weren't even in that game so it showed they couldn't keep up with the big boys and exposing the Eagles game as an anamoly. 

Not sure how you can call Philly, Ten, Vikings, the big boys. They don’t have QBs drafted in the top 10.

[Die Hard]

I see the pattern now. If Washington wins, it’s because of coaching. If they lose, it’s because of the QB. Never mind that it’s the HC who traded for the 1-4 QB.

 

Cant wait to see the next 2 weeks unfold…. let’s hope Ron is still a good coach in 2 weeks. Otherwise, we can all put our focus on Ron finally finding his guy in year 4.

[Zim489]

41 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Don't forget they got smoked by the Titans and Vikings, if I recall they weren't even in that game so it showed they couldn't keep up with the big boys and exposing the Eagles game as an anamoly. 

Titans should thank their lucky stars they are in the AFC south. Houston is the worst team in the league. Indy is maybe not maybe who the hell knows openly tanking with the Saturday interim. The best threat to them is a second year TL in Jax. They are not a good team.

 

Vikings have felt like a paper tiger as much as we are but just with a miles better QB and a top 3 WR that can't be stopped. The bills game is quite the opposite to how they have played the entire year. 

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

22 minutes ago, Die Hard said:

I see the pattern now. If Washington wins, it’s because of coaching. If they lose, it’s because of the QB. Never mind that it’s the HC who traded for the 1-4 QB.

 

Cant wait to see the next 2 weeks unfold…. let’s hope Ron is still a good coach in 2 weeks. Otherwise, we can all put our focus on Ron finally finding his guy in year 4.

I’ve seen not one person put Ron on a coaching pedestal.  I’ve not seen anyone approve of the structure we have where Ron is both the GM and head coach.  
 

You keep pointing to the first five game of the season as if the only thing that changed was benching Wentz.  Perhaps you really think that and just don’t pay that much attention to the team any longer. 
 

The OL has gotten healthier, Brian Robinson is back and has his legs under him, AG has accepted and thrived in his role.  The defense got Curl back in conjunction with the emergence of Forrest, dropped WJ3, moved BSJ outside and now both he and Fuller look much better.  JDR poked the bear with Jamin of which we all thought was bad look and that’s looking foolish.  Turner has constructed and most importantly stuck to an offense that most coordinators simply don’t have in them.  He’s found ways to disguise the runs, and given TH wide open first reads to move the sticks with regularity.

 

All of that - personnel and coaching, because of the odd structure of this team, ties back to Ron in some fashion.  
 

I think it’s rather obvious that while an OG and founding father of ES, you aren’t paying as much attention to the day to day of this team by reading some of your recent takes like the guys don’t say anything positive about Ron and pretending the only real change since week 5 is the QB.  All of that has been debunked, you’re welcome for the updates.

 

Edited November 29, 2022 by BatteredFanSyndrome

[Riggo#44]

43 minutes ago, Zim489 said:

Titans should thank their lucky stars they are in the AFC south. Houston is the worst team in the league. Indy is maybe not maybe who the hell knows openly tanking with the Saturday interim. The best threat to them is a second year TL in Jax. They are not a good team.

 

Vikings have felt like a paper tiger as much as we are but just with a miles better QB and a top 3 WR that can't be stopped. The bills game is quite the opposite to how they have played the entire year. 

[Skinsinparadise]

46 minutes ago, Zim489 said:

Titans should thank their lucky stars they are in the AFC south. Houston is the worst team in the league. Indy is maybe not maybe who the hell knows openly tanking with the Saturday interim. The best threat to them is a second year TL in Jax. They are not a good team.

 

Vikings have felt like a paper tiger as much as we are but just with a miles better QB and a top 3 WR that can't be stopped. The bills game is quite the opposite to how they have played the entire year. 

 

OK so your point is the team in the AFC tied last year for the best record in the AFC and is having a good season again isn't very good.  Ditto the Vikings with the 2nd best record in the NFC.   I guess the Eagles aren't that hot either.  

 

They've been competitive in every game after the slow start no matter who they've played.   

 

Edited November 29, 2022 by Skinsinparadise

[Zim489]

Was doing some stat looking today. Our run defense this year is actually worse than last year. 4.4 YPC against good for 15th in the league. Last year was 4.1

[goskins10]

56 minutes ago, Die Hard said:

Our offensive line has been a strength of this team during for Rivera’s first 2 years. Matko got a lot of credit. Now the unit is playing like trash despite the team being 7-5. Now, is he a good coach or a poor one?

 

 

 

 

 

Matko is a very good cooach. They let some depth go which was a msitake. No one said the coaches including Ron are infallable. They also got hit hard by the injury bug early. They had 6 different starting Olines the first 6 games. Then they went on a stretch of the same starting 5 and they have improved. The oline is develoiping but lost a lot of talent - that was the caoches misjudgement. 

 

He also made a msitake with QB but in fairness, year 1 he ewas saddled with Dan';s mistake which he got rid of before the end of the season. He likely never starts him with a true mini-camp but Covid took that away. Then he went with Fitz who was injured the first game. They had Taylor on the roster and he did a decent jb for a backup. But he will never fool anyone into thinking he is a even mid-tier starter. He is a back-up, a good one but a back-up. This year he tried Carson. It did not work out - has nothing to do with the injury. Carson flat out is not good. But in fairness which QB available has really done well with thier new team? None that changed teams and even some who stayed are ****. 

 

So you go to Taylor - the lockerrom likes him and despite his many flaws the team plays hard for him and they get Ws. But it has taken a hurculean effort by the D to keep us in games. 

 

In the end it's a combination of good coaching and good play by the palyers. But Ron deserves some credit for getting the right players here just as he deserves critisizm for the mistakes like letting both Sherff and Flowers go. He had no choice on Trent W. Bruce had already hosed that one up. He also signed WJ3, a top level man player, then him and Jack decided to make him play zone. 

 

52 minutes ago, Die Hard said:

I see the pattern now. If Washington wins, it’s because of coaching. If they lose, it’s because of the QB. Never mind that it’s the HC who traded for the 1-4 QB.

 

Cant wait to see the next 2 weeks unfold…. let’s hope Ron is still a good coach in 2 weeks. Otherwise, we can all put our focus on Ron finally finding his guy in year 4.

 

That is just not true that I have seen. And he is staying with Taylor even though Carson is available. You can say he has no choice but that's not really true either. If he truly felt like Carson gave the team that much a better chance to win he would make the change. 

[CommanderInTheRye]

8 hours ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

 

This whole “playing for Heinicke” thing has either gone way too far or this is satire and I missed it. 🤣

 

 

Ssssh...

 

For some of us it's actually both-- whether intended that way by the author or not.

 

 

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Edited November 29, 2022 by CommanderInTheRye

[Zim489]

Looked through about every stat there was. They are good in pretty much only 3 stats. Fumbles recovery % for opponents fumbles. Own fumbles not lost % and TOP.

 

If you seriously went through every single stat there is and you didnt know what the record was you would think this team was one of the worst in the league. Even the defensive stats are very middling. What they have been great at is 3 down % against.

[Die Hard]

12 minutes ago, Zim489 said:

Looked through about every stat there was. They are good in pretty much only 3 stats. Fumbles recovery % for opponents fumbles. Own fumbles not lost % and TOP.

 

If you seriously went through every single stat there is and you didnt know what the record was you would think this team was one of the worst in the league. Even the defensive stats are very middling. What they have been great at is 3 down % against.

It’s not about facts. It’s about ppl laughing quietly to themselves when they feel uncomfortable. Its a coping mechanism.

Edited November 29, 2022 by Die Hard

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

I am getting a kick out of the Zim/DieHard connection.  One would almost rather die than watch Heinicke and the other believes Heinicke is a galvanizing force that has coach hating players digging deeper into their souls to perform for him.  🤣

 

But banding together in their disdain for Ron.  What a Tuesday!

[KDawg]

1 hour ago, Die Hard said:

I see the pattern now. If Washington wins, it’s because of coaching. If they lose, it’s because of the QB. Never mind that it’s the HC who traded for the 1-4 QB.

 

Cant wait to see the next 2 weeks unfold…. let’s hope Ron is still a good coach in 2 weeks. Otherwise, we can all put our focus on Ron finally finding his guy in year 4.

 

I think Rivera is a decent coach and a good people manager. The guy is coaching the Washington Franchise CommandSkins. His entire tenure has been shielding Snyder. The team's fight reflects him. Yes. But the earlier season woes also reflects him. But he is doing a semi decent job in this situation given the circumstance. 

 

That won't change in two weeks. Two months. A year from now. But that doesn't mean he's a high end coach because of what's going on. And, quite frankly, Heinicke isn't a high end quarterback because of the record, either.

 

We are a team who at the moment is playing better. Not because of just WJ3, but because McCain is no longer the FS, WJ3 is off the field, Holcomb hasn't been playing and our interior DL is the most dominant tandem in the NFL. 

 

Our receivers are playing about as good as expected given Heinicke is the QB (which is also a positive point when he gets the ball to these guys in tough situations, and its a negative one when he tries it and throws a pick or a should be pick). But really, the heroes are the running backs. Our backs are amongst the lowest in yards before contact in the league. I think they are both in the low 2.0s. Yet they churn out yards because of their running style and skill. 

 

We're winning because they are leaning into our strengths and shying away from weaknesses. Not just in play calls, but in the way the guys are playing as well. Yes, that is in part to coaching. Yes, that is in part to the players (Heinicke both included and excluded).

[Riggo#44]

8 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Yet they churn out yards because of their running style and skill.

Brian Robinson has the biggest testicles in the league. It's a proven fact.

[Die Hard]

15 minutes ago, KDawg said:

 

I think Rivera is a decent coach and a good people manager. The guy is coaching the Washington Franchise CommandSkins. His entire tenure has been shielding Snyder. The team's fight reflects him. Yes. But the earlier season woes also reflects him. But he is doing a semi decent job in this situation given the circumstance. 

 

That won't change in two weeks. Two months. A year from now. But that doesn't mean he's a high end coach because of what's going on. And, quite frankly, Heinicke isn't a high end quarterback because of the record, either.

 

We are a team who at the moment is playing better. Not because of just WJ3, but because McCain is no longer the FS, WJ3 is off the field, Holcomb hasn't been playing and our interior DL is the most dominant tandem in the NFL. 

 

Our receivers are playing about as good as expected given Heinicke is the QB (which is also a positive point when he gets the ball to these guys in tough situations, and its a negative one when he tries it and throws a pick or a should be pick). But really, the heroes are the running backs. Our backs are amongst the lowest in yards before contact in the league. I think they are both in the low 2.0s. Yet they churn out yards because of their running style and skill. 

 

We're winning because they are leaning into our strengths and shying away from weaknesses. Not just in play calls, but in the way the guys are playing as well. Yes, that is in part to coaching. Yes, that is in part to the players (Heinicke both included and excluded).

We’re in agreement in a lot of points.

 

It took a few games after Robinson had returned before they began to form a strong duo. And yes, diminishing AG’s role and giving it to Robinson, who is a positive net gainer, was a win. He’s making the running game work better., despite the o-line being terrible. Same with Heinicke. Ppl forget McLaurin would have 5 catches now if it was for Wentz. They didn’t have any chemistry ever… and he never targeted him. Thanks to Taylor, our best weapon has value again. The trade off is he can’t seem to get Samuels involved.

 

Ill give the defence some credit…. the DTs and Sweat have finally turned a corner. It’s a legitimate rush-stopping defence. But the pass defence is still suspect. Juste is just as likely to make a big play as he to give up one or get called for a penalty. 
 

Unlike most, I’ve always thought Fuller was good. He’s always right there… whether he makes the play or not. That’s football, you win some and lose some. Curl has always been a stud.

 

But a good defence often has a good - or at least a functional - offence that helps keep it off the field, getting rest and minimizing the opponents opportunities.

 

And let’s be honest. It took this team like 5 games to get a turnover - that wasn’t called back because of penalties. Sooner or later, the law of averages would have us even out. And that’s what’s happening too.

 

 

Edited November 29, 2022 by Die Hard

[Die Hard]

33 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

I am getting a kick out of the Zim/DieHard connection.  One would almost rather die than watch Heinicke and the other believes Heinicke is a galvanizing force that has coach hating players digging deeper into their souls to perform for him.  🤣

 

But banding together in their disdain for Ron.  What a Tuesday!

I get it, the Commanders have a winning record over 2 games over .500 in the middle of the season…. so you’ve had to overhaul your belief system. Fickle.

 

Of course, when they lose and miss the playoffs, you can always just switch your opinion again.

 

It’s like being in the game day thread watching bipolar ppl hinge every though on the last play. Fire him, sign him to an extension, no wait cut him, trade him…. no give him the ball more. 

 

1997…. I’ve been here 25 years. I know your type.

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

 

 

 

"It's kinda cool to get the opportunity to coach first of all that long, to get 100 wins," Rivera said about the milestone following the contest. "But I've been very unfortunate because I've had a lot of good coaches that work with me and a lot of good players that have played for us. To be very fortunate to be in that position and I really do appreciate the ownership in Carolina for giving me the opportunity and the ownership here for supporting me, giving me the opportunity to do the things that we're doing."

Always looking out for his team, it's no surprise Rivera shared credit with coaches and players he's come across over the years. 

But his current players were also asked about their coach's 100th win, and they gave that credit right back. 

"He means a lot to this whole team, this organization," said quarterback Taylor Heinicke. "My favorite locker room before this was in Carolina with him and now it's here with him. I think that it starts from the top and all the guys in there love him. For it to be his 100th win, it's pretty special."

 

And he reflected back on that time when discussing his coach's achievement. 

"I love coach (Rivera), man," Fuller said. "Just the energy that he comes with every day, even when he went through everything in 2020. His presence being there, he's so even-keeled. He's so consistent. Week-in and week-out, whether we're down, whether we win, lose. Whether guys have a good game or bad game, he's the same guy every day. He's definitely that calmness for us, and he also can bring that fire for us when we need it so we definitely love him."

 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/commanders/news/washington-commanders-atlanta-falcons-coach-ron-rivera-milestone-win