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Has your team support wained due to ownership or can you see past it?  

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  1. 1. Will you attend a game and support the team while Dan Snyder is the owner of the team, regardless of success?

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    • I would start attending games if Dan was no longer the owner of the team.
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RansomthePasserby

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3 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

What is somewhat interesting is WFT road crowds are better than home crowds. 

I did notice this, even at west coast stadiums like in LA we rep well. I think part of it is it’s just the nature of the NFL these days, people are more transient and you can easily buy tickets from an app on your phone from anywhere in the world, so home field advantage isn’t what it used to be. 

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57 minutes ago, RansomthePasserby said:

I did notice this, even at west coast stadiums like in LA we rep well. I think part of it is it’s just the nature of the NFL these days, people are more transient and you can easily buy tickets from an app on your phone from anywhere in the world, so home field advantage isn’t what it used to be. 

Yeah, but it's not true everywhere.  For example, if you go to Philly, NY, Dallas, NE, Pittsburgh, you're hard pressed to find a significant portion of opposing fans, unless it's a completely meaningless game at the end of the year and the team is completely out of it.

 

I think our out-of-town fans:

1. don't hear the CONSTANT negativity towards the team and the owner on a minute by minute basis, and haven't for the last 30 years.  So their level of Snyder fatigue is probably less than those of us who live in the area. (Not saying the reporting isn't correct, but if you're not here, you're not in the echo chamber as much.)

2. There is no stadium experience worse than FedEx.  So if you're not local, you're either going to go to a game where you live when the team travels there, or you'll pick a city to travel to which is a better destination.

 

As an aside, I went to the Colts vs. Redskins game at the old RCA Dome (I think?) in Indy in 2006 or 2007.  That stadium was also a dump (and soon imploded) but the whole experience around it was so much better.  And of course that was peak Peyton.  So there's that.  

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41 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

Will Hobson and Liz Clarke will never have to buy a drink in DC ever again if they keep this up.  

 

 

Hope the article keeps the coals burning on this one.  Love the line about the e-mails sparing Snyder any embarrassment.  He is an embarrassment, his entire tenure is an embarrassment but will it be embarrassing enough for the NFL to come clean.

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Daniel Snyder pledged support for the NFL’s investigation. His actions tell a different story.

Washington’s owner took former employees to court, deployed private investigators and was accused of trying to ‘silence’ a key accuser

...The alleged effort to block the interview is one of several instances in which lawyers and private investigators working on Snyder’s behalf took steps that potential witnesses for Wilkinson viewed as attempts to interfere with the NFL’s investigation, according to a review of hundreds of pages of court records and interviews with more than 30 people, including current and former team and league officials.

While Snyder publicly expressed shock over allegations raised in The Post story that prompted Wilkinson’s investigation, his lawyers filed petitions in federal court seeking, in part, to identify former employees who had spoken to The Post — an effort one federal judge suggested was intended “to burden and harass” former employees who had spoken to reporters.

 
 

Private investigators working on Snyder’s behalf, meanwhile, showed up uninvited at the homes of several former employees or contacted their friends and relatives, according to these former employees or their attorneys — acts many of them viewed as intimidation aimed at discouraging former employees from participating in the NFL’s investigation.

 

And after Snyder’s lawyers learned that the 2009 accuser still intended to speak to Wilkinson — despite what her attorney alleged was an effort to prevent her from speaking to the NFL’s investigator — they provided support for a lawsuit filed against Wilkinson by the team’s retired former general counsel, court records show. That lawsuit sought to bar Wilkinson from discussing the 2009 allegation against Snyder with NFL officials, and to force her to destroy documents relating to the woman’s allegations.

 

Wilkinson ultimately did interview Snyder’s accuser, according to court records. But the revelation that Snyder was accused of trying to block a witness from participating in the NFL’s investigation raises new concerns about Commissioner Roger Goodell’s decision to keep confidential any report or investigative findings produced by Wilkinson — a departure from how the league has handled investigations in recent years.

 

Previous NFL probes — into the Ray Rice domestic violence case and the “Deflategate” controversy — resulted in detailed, public reports. A league-sponsored investigation of Carolina Panthers owner Jerry Richardson, which substantiated allegations that he had harassed women on the team’s staff and used a racial slur, resulted in the release of executive findings.

Goodell’s secretive handling of the Washington investigation, which has spared Snyder from any public punishment, has drawn recent interest from members of Congress, thanks to a series of leaked emails that prompted the resignation of Las Vegas Raiders coach Jon Gruden and tarnished the reputations of others. The leaks of certain emails produced as part of Wilkinson’s investigation — months after the probe ended — has fueled speculation over their source, with the NFL and Snyder denying any role.

But among former team employees, it has not escaped notice that the emails spared Snyder any embarrassment while damaging the reputation of one of his perceived enemies: Bruce Allen, the longtime team president Snyder fired in 2019.

 

Allen declined to comment. The NFL also declined to comment or to answer any questions about the investigation and its handling of the emails that were leaked.

As all of this plays out, Snyder — once faced with a crisis that some speculated could cost him team ownership — appears to have emerged with an even stronger hold on the team. But victory for Snyder came at a cost for the NFL’s image, at least in the eyes of many of the women who came forward to participate in its investigation.

 

“It’s very sad and disheartening that [the NFL is] not willing to do the right thing,” said Rachel Engleson, a former team marketing director.

 

Engleson agreed to speak to Wilkinson’s team, she said, because she believed the NFL would handle the investigation as transparently as previous league probes. Instead, she came away with a different perception of the league’s handling of investigations — when the allegations involve an owner.

 

...The heavily redacted documents that were finally made public this fall revealed hostility between Wilkinson and the team. At a hearing in January, according to a memo written by Wilkinson’s lawyers, the team’s lawyers accused her of “violat[ing] the professional rules of conduct,” “turning against [her] client” and acting out of “spite.”

Donovan, in his court filings, expressed that it was a “near certainty” the NFL would publicly release Wilkinson’s report, which he predicted would “disparage” his investigation that exonerated Snyder in 2009.

“Not only does the NFL routinely publish these reports, it often publicly praises and effectively legitimizes them,” wrote Donovan’s lawyers, who predicted Wilkinson’s report was “likely to reverberate through the Internet.”

 

In early August 2020, Snyder filed a defamation suit in India against the company that owns meaww.com, accusing it of taking money from unnamed co-conspirators to publish the false stories. Representatives of meaww.com denied accepting money but acknowledged the stories were not factual and took them down.

But for Snyder, the lawsuit in India held strategic value that went beyond holding MEAWW accountable. It enabled him, via a relatively obscure legal provision, to go to U.S. federal courts to demand emails, texts, phone records and other communications from anyone he could reasonably claim might have helped plant the Epstein stories. And in the process, he could learn who else those people were talking to — and, in some cases, what they were saying.

 
 

...Each time a judge forced someone to turn over records, Snyder’s list of suspects grew. Then his lawyers went to court again, eventually filing claims against ten people or companies in seven states from August 2020 through April 2021.

One of Snyder’s first targets was his former executive assistant, Mary Ellen Blair, who was approached by private investigators in August, her attorney at the time later said in court. Not long after, Blair received notice that Snyder intended to subpoena her phone records, text messages and emails. Blair declined to comment.

 

...It’s very alarming when people you haven’t talked to in years tell you that somebody is snooping around about you,” Baker said.

The visits from investigators, at the height of the coronavirus pandemic, unsettled several former team employees. And some said they felt the combination of private investigator visits and subpoenas had a chilling effect on former colleagues who declined to speak with Wilkinson or reporters.

 

“It was an intimidation tactic,” said Megan Imbert, another former producer in the team’s broadcast department. “I know there are people who didn’t talk to Beth Wilkinson, who have told me they would talk … but only if subpoenaed under a court of law. That’s how petrified they are of Dan Snyder.”

Snyder’s efforts to identify sources of Post journalism continued for months. In November 2020, his lawyers sought records from another former executive assistant of Snyder’s, Shawn Ferguson, demanding “all communications” with “employees or agents of the Washington Post.”

 

And in March, Snyder’s lawyers demanded in federal court in Colorado that Jessica McCloughan, wife of former general manager Scot McCloughan, also turn over records documenting communications with The Post. The judge dismissed the request, which he termed a “fishing expedition.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/12/14/daniel-snyder-nfl-investigation/

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The Bruce Allen component of the story shows how much Dan is a strange and petty dude

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/12/14/daniel-snyder-nfl-investigation/

 

At the same time, Snyder’s quest to uncover the sources of damaging stories about him had dwindled mostly to one target: Allen, the team’s former president.

Snyder’s grievances with Allen ranged from conspiratorial to petty, according to court records and legal communications reviewed by The Post. Snyder suggested in court filings that Allen was involved in a conspiracy to defame him with the Epstein stories. But according to people with knowledge of their relationship and text messages reviewed by The Post, Snyder also was offended that Allen had never sent Snyder a text message congratulating him on hiring Coach Ron Rivera.

 
 

In January 2020, after the news conference announcing Rivera’s hire, according to these people, Snyder learned that Allen had sent a congratulatory text to Rivera. Snyder was insulted, these people said, that he didn’t receive a similar text from Allen, whom Snyder had fired a few weeks before.

Later that year, the team, citing the pandemic, attempted to get out of paying Allen all of the money he was owed under his contract. Allen fought back, and Snyder agreed to pay his full salary. But in a message sent to Allen’s lawyers over settlement terms, one of Snyder’s lawyers included a condition that Allen wouldn’t agree to meet, according to text messages reviewed by The Post.

 

“In addition, I understand that Mr. Allen has agreed to send a text message to Mr. Snyder stating, ‘Congrats on the hire,’ ” Snyder’s attorney wrote in July 2020, seven months after Snyder hired Rivera. Allen’s lawyers resolved the pay dispute, but he never sent this text, according to a person with knowledge of the case.

In April 2021, as Snyder’s effort to unmask leakers continued, his lawyers asked a federal judge in Arizona to compel Allen to turn over text messages, emails and other records that they suggested would show he was a source for both the meaww.com stories and stories in The Post.

 

The judge ruled that Snyder needed to come to court in Phoenix to present evidence supporting his suspicions about Allen. Weeks later, Snyder dropped the case. Snyder’s lawsuit against meaww.com in Indian court remains active, according to court filings there. More than 15 months after a lawyer for Snyder claimed he had “rock-solid” proof of a conspiracy to defame Snyder with stories linking him to Epstein, Snyder’s lawyers have yet to make this evidence public in any court filing, in India or in the United States.

In one of Snyder’s last filings in his case against Allen, his lawyers attached redacted emails between Allen and others, including then-ESPN analyst Jon Gruden. The emails, Snyder’s lawyers said, were meant to show how often Allen communicated with the media. But not long after, unredacted versions of the emails ended up in the hands of reporters.

 

Over the course of a few days in October, months after Wilkinson’s investigation concluded, Allen’s emails became public in stories in the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times, costing Gruden his job and subjecting Allen to public criticism.

In the emails, part of a chain involving Allen and several friends over the course of several years, Gruden made racist, homophobic and misogynistic remarks. A second New York Times story based on another batch of Allen’s emails disclosed his “cozy relationship” with NFL general counsel Jeff Pash.

 

One of the remaining unanswered questions related to Wilkinson’s investigation is who leaked those emails.

A person familiar with the NFL’s view said some league officials believe the leaks originated with Snyder, through representatives acting on his behalf. Snyder’s critics note the emails did not reflect poorly on him but did damage two of his perceived enemies: Allen and Pash, whose office of investigations appears to have supported Wilkinson’s effort to interview Snyder’s accuser.

At an NFL owners meeting in October, Tanya Snyder told fellow team owners that the leaks did not originate with her, her husband or their franchise, according to multiple people present at the meeting. Gruden, in a lawsuit filed last month, has accused the league of leaking the emails to “sabotage” his career, which the NFL has denied.

 
 

Whoever leaked them, the emails led Congress to push the NFL for answers about the Wilkinson probe. And congressional interest has revived hopes among former employees that Goodell will have to make public Wilkinson’s conclusions — about the 2009 allegation against Snyder, his knowledge of the lewd cheerleader videos, his role in his team’s workplace culture and his actions behind the scenes during the NFL probe.

Goodell, in his one news conference since the emails leaked, reiterated the league’s stance that no details from Wilkinson’s investigation would be released, he claimed, to protect the identities of witnesses.

Banks, the D.C. attorney who represents more than 40 former employees who participated in the investigation, has dismissed Goodell’s stance as “categorically false.” Several of her clients wanted to remain anonymous, Banks said, but none objected to a published report.

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Wow. Going after former executive assistants and (admittedly controversial) wives of former GM’s, that’s low. He’s THAT pressed over a random ‘news’ article saying he was a buddy of Epstein? You’re a ****ing billionaire, it comes with the territory man. Imagine how many people he’d sue if he WAS on social media?? All of us. He’s triggered enough as it is by the comparatively light mocking he gets in the physical paper. 

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I know we have echoed this sentiment ad nauseum but not only does he not deserve to hold the Lombardi but does not deserve to be associated with this team.  A historic franchise, now an embarrassment.  A laughing stock where other fans feel pity instead of hate.  Who would dare work with this betraying, self centered, petty owner to build a stadium?  I know money usually cures a lot but he and therefore this franchise is TOXIC.  No new stadium, no hosting a Super Bowl, no fans except those from other teams.  This franchise's fanbase has dwindled, look no further than the volume of this board, what is left?  I root for the team, the players and Rivera but the deck is stacked against them at every turn and it starts at the top.  

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2 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

 

 

As an aside, I went to the Colts vs. Redskins game at the old RCA Dome (I think?) in Indy in 2006 or 2007.  That stadium was also a dump (and soon imploded) but the whole experience around it was so much better.  And of course that was peak Peyton.  So there's that.  


We hurt Peyton’s neck in that game. I was there too. That was the beginning of the end of his colts career. I went to the UCLA/Notre Dame game on Saturday then drove to Indy afterward for the Skins game. Both my teams lost at the end but it was a fun weekend. 

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3 hours ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

Will Hobson and Liz Clarke will never have to buy a drink in DC ever again if they keep this up.  

 

 

They'll get one from me in France as well too :)

 

Putting all this stuff together in one long article really depicts how petty Dan is.

Usually this stuff comes in pieces separated by months, but when you connect all the dots. That's freaking scary.

 

It's also basically telling Jon Gruden and his lawyers where to look for the leaker of the emails. Gruden having filled against the NFL and Goodell, and probably on the phone with his lawyers right now to fill one against Snyder.

 

Would be fun to read about Gruden pursuing Snyder. Sure Jay will give a hand to his brother here and there :P

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42 minutes ago, Wildbunny said:

They'll get one from me in France as well too :)

 

Putting all this stuff together in one long article really depicts how petty Dan is.

Usually this stuff comes in pieces separated by months, but when you connect all the dots. That's freaking scary.

 

It's also basically telling Jon Gruden and his lawyers where to look for the leaker of the emails. Gruden having filled against the NFL and Goodell, and probably on the phone with his lawyers right now to fill one against Snyder.

 

Would be fun to read about Gruden pursuing Snyder. Sure Jay will give a hand to his brother here and there :P

 

Very good point. Gruden is a very rich man with nothing to lose. Given how Snyder treated his brother too, let's hope he goes after Snyder.

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2 hours ago, SoCalSkins said:


We hurt Peyton’s neck in that game. I was there too. That was the beginning of the end of his colts career. I went to the UCLA/Notre Dame game on Saturday then drove to Indy afterward for the Skins game. Both my teams lost at the end but it was a fun weekend. 

I mean, they won the SB that year I think.  And it wasn’t another for another 5 years before he sat out the year.  At least for the game I went to….

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I know everyone hates Jay, but he's a good listen with Russell and Medhurst on 980.  He doesn't go out of his way to slam Dan or Bruce and he's pretty self depreciating and not full of himself or making excuses for how things turned out.  He says he used to meet with Dan every week until the last season, when he would start sending Bruce to the meetings in his place, and leave it to Bruce to communicate how he should have coached each football game.  You can just tell by the way he says it, it's the truth.  

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