A New Start! (the Reboot) The Front Office, Ownership, & Coaching Staff Thread

[Riggo#44]

 

[86 Snyder]

34 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said:

 

 

WOW.  Just a stellar job there, Bruce.  Just stellar.  And don't think I'm not throwing some shade in your direction either there, Danny boy, you incompetent boob.

 

Seriously, how are they this bad?

 

 

[Riggo#44]

2 minutes ago, 86 Snyder said:

 

WOW.  Just a stellar job there, Bruce.  Just stellar.  And don't think I'm not throwing some shade in your direction either there, Danny boy, you incompetent boob.

 

Seriously, how are they this bad?

 

 

[Malapropismic Depository]

Has Rivera said anything about Latimer ?

[Skinsinparadise]

 

There are no plans among the partners to try to force Snyder to sell, nor does he have any plans to sell an NFL franchise whose value will rise significantly in a few years when the new television deals are done, according to sources.

 

As far as the league, his fellow owners have little regard for Snyder — but he is an owner, one of them, and owners are very difficult to force out. It took a sexual harassment scandal for Jerry Richardson to be forced out in Carolina.

 

It is the school of thought that, “There but for the grace of God go I. If they can get Dan Snyder, they can get me.”

Lest we forget, it was progressive NBA owner Mark Cuban who talked of a “slippery slope” when the league was about to oust bigoted fellow owner Donald Sterling – who lasted 33 years at the same table. Sterling makes Snyder look like Mother Teresa.

 

...“You still have the owner, who has done nothing to make any contacts or friends in the city. Nobody. He has built no relationships.”

 

...That leaves Snyder to his own devices — of which he has none.

 

...Minority ownership is often the path to wind up with your own NFL team when one becomes available. Jimmy Haslam was a minority owner in the Pittsburgh Steelers before he purchased the Cleveland Browns. David Tepper was also a Steelers minority investor before he bought the Carolina Panthers. Minority shares in a franchise even as damaged as the Redskins should still be a hot commodity.

Something is going on.

Happy Thanksgiving.

 

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jul/7/redskins-rename-wont-be-enough-snyder-get-new-stad/

[Riggo#44]

40 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

“You still have the owner, who has done nothing to make any contacts or friends in the city. Nobody. He has built no relationships.”

 

You have no one--absolutely no one--is going to do Snyder any favors. For all of Allens many, many, many faults--of which there are many--he could at least glad hand (even if most of what he said were out-and-out lies). Snyder doesn't have that face to hide behind anymore. He's exposed. It'll be very interesting to see what happens.

[Skinsinparadise]

30 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said:

 

You have no one--absolutely no one--is going to do Snyder any favors. For all of Allens many, many, many faults--of which there are many--he could at least glad hand (even if most of what he said were out-and-out lies). Snyder doesn't have that face to hide behind anymore. He's exposed. It'll be very interesting to see what happens.

 

that's definitely the picture that's being painted.  I was one of the louder critics of Bruce.   But even I mentioned that we'd continually read how Bruce was Dan's social crutch.  Bruce can handle himself in social settings.  I've met him twice, just a few minutes each time, and he can come off affable and charming.  But also he comes off gregarious and comfortable in his own skin -- some would say too comfortable and hence arrogant.   Dan on the other hand has been described by multiple people as a bit of a social misfit and not at ease socially unless he finds a comfort zone.

 

So yeah I could see Dan feeling a little lost without Bruce.  Heck I recall reading Dan would sometimes just send Bruce to owners meetings when he couldn't attend. 

[Riggo#44]

2 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

that's definitely the picture that's being painted.  I was one of the louder critics of Bruce.   But even I mentioned that we'd continually read how Bruce was Dan's social crutch.  Bruce can handle himself in social settings.  I've met him twice, just a few minutes each time, and he can come off affable and charming.  But also he comes off gregarious and comfortable in his own skin -- some would say too comfortable and hence arrogant.   Dan on the other hand has been described by multiple people as a bit of a social misfit and not at ease socially unless he finds a comfort zone.

 

So yeah I could see Dan feeling a little lost without Bruce.  Heck I recall reading Dan would sometimes just send Bruce to owners meetings when he couldn't attend. 

 

He comes across as the angry nerd that was so arrogant that everyone hated in High School. Maybe Loverro is right, maybe there is more going on behind the scenes--he just didn't really add anything to the discussion that wasn't already out there.

[88Comrade2000]

If Snyder were to sell, you know you are eventually getting a coaching change. The new owner will want his guy.

[86 Snyder]

3 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

...Minority ownership is often the path to wind up with your own NFL team when one becomes available. Jimmy Haslam was a minority owner in the Pittsburgh Steelers before he purchased the Cleveland Browns. David Tepper was also a Steelers minority investor before he bought the Carolina Panthers. Minority shares in a franchise even as damaged as the Redskins should still be a hot commodity.

Something is going on.

Happy Thanksgiving.

 

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jul/7/redskins-rename-wont-be-enough-snyder-get-new-stad/

 

Is it just me, or do the last couple sentences contradict the premise of the rest of the article?  It was all "nothing to see here" until the end.  What are we supposed to make of that?

[86 Snyder]

Some really interesting tidbits in this piece by Keim: https://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/40127/what-shareholders-looking-to-sell-means-for-dan-snyder-redskins

 

Two days after the 2003 season ended, when the Redskins needed another coach, Schar made a phone call. To Joe Gibbs. It set in motion a series of events that led to the bombshell return of Gibbs as coach.

While Snyder eventually closed the deal, it was Schar who made the first call to his longtime friend in an aggressive early pursuit. Schar was on the board of Gibbs' Youth for Tomorrow Foundation, and the two had a strong relationship.

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But Snyder still had his group of minority investors that he considered friends. Smith, the chairman and CEO of FedEx, was not a regular at games, home or away, but Schar and Rothman often attended (Rothman, the chairman and CEO of Black Diamond Capital, was at just about every game). They became tight with Snyder and, one source said, served as a calming influence after games. Snyder would hang out in the owner's box after games, sometimes pacing, depending on the result. He could get lost in the minutiae of the moment, but the others could present a big-picture focus, a source said.

One source said Schar, chairman of NVR, the the nation's fifth-largest home builder, "couldn't be more down to earth but also had common sense brilliance to him, and Fred is the same." Both provided strong guidance when needed and business wisdom for Snyder over the years. One source said Snyder almost idolized Smith, especially for his business acumen in how he built FedEx. As one person said, "This had to sting [Snyder]."

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But with only a combined 40 percent share -- Snyder, his mother and his sister own 60 percent of the team -- they don't have voting power and don't always have a say in team matters. Snyder's inner circle has changed, and often he receives guidance from outside sources. However, while Schar had a big influence in landing Gibbs, Rothman was a key part of the interview process in luring current coach Ron Rivera, according to a source. He also was at the scouting combine with Rivera and Snyder earlier this offseason, prompting one person close to the situation to express surprise that Rothman would want to sell.

Edited July 8, 2020 by 86 Snyder

[JSSkinz]

Ouch! I don't blame him for feeling that way.

 

 

 

 

[spjunkies]

 

[Skinsinparadise]

As to one those articles above

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/redskins/gm-report/washington-nfl-franchise-desperately-needs-a-president

The Patriots have Bill Belichick, yes, and he runs the football show. However he doesn't have to deal with the business operations and complicated layers of an NFL front office by himself. 

Why? He not only has Bob Kraft but he has Jonathan Kraft, who is the team President. 

Who does Rivera have to lean on? Kyle Smith, a 35-year old talented football evaluator cannot possibly help 'Riverboat Ron' with all of the complicated business issues that any normal franchise has and this one is far, far from normal. 

Never has been. Never will be. 

Rob Rogers was with Rivera in Carolina for nine years. Rogers is the Senior Vice President of Football Administration. 

He's dealing with contracts and the salary cap, but that's his expertise.  He does not know this organization fully and certainly doesn't know how chaotic the franchise and building always has been. 

You could argue that Rogers fits one of those four positions mentioned above but that's it. You still don't have the other three to take pressure off of Rivera.

NFL sources have described a building that is filled with a different type of chaos that existed under Allen. 

Everyone knew who was in charge with Allen at the top of the organization. Now, according to multiple people, nobody really does. 

 

Sure - Rivera is the face of the franchise but he's never run an NFL show completely. Not even close. In Carolina, he had a controversial owner in Jerry Richardson but had a General Manager that he trusted (from what I've heard) in Marty Hurney and one that he had friction with, per sources, 

 

He also had Brandon Beane for a while. Beane, currently the Buffalo Bills General Manager was in Carolina before Rivera and grew in power and influence, becoming the Assistant GM before leaving for the Bills, where he and Sean McDermott have completely turned around that franchise. 

 

From what I've been told, Rivera is leaning on Beane in this time of chaos as more than just a friend. 

Assuming that's true (and perhaps it will be denied), that screams out one thing. Rivera needs help and he needs a President of Football Operations to handle the nonsense that a football coach should not have to deal with. 

 

Of course there's plenty of options available. Joe Schoen, who is Beane's top assistant in Buffalo could still be brought in and elevated to a General Manager role or a Vice President/President of Football Operations role. 

The bottomline is this: The organization needs to hire (yesterday) a smart, savvy business based executive that doesn't necessarily want a lot of fingerprints on the football operation or at the very minimum, if Rivera is going to be expected to handle the head coaches role and all/some of what the fired Allen and Schaffer used to do, Snyder needs to hire another football executive to take some of the workload off of Rivera's plate. 

 

This is not hard. This is common sense. 

Please understand that Rivera is one human being. He can't do this all by himself. 

[Est.1974]

No doubt we will need specialist people in to deal with off field matters of this magnitude.
 

To be fair, Rivera likely wanted to be in the power seat and all of a sudden has landed in a fairly hot seat at the moment, be careful what you wish for an all that.

 

Plus this has escalated quickly into becoming  a relatively unique situation. Just need to take a breath and make a strong appointment on an interim basis. Get some pro help in to deal with this whole rebranding situation without landing yourself with some unnecessary long term resource.

[JSSkinz]

Rob Rogers was the replacement for Schaffer, did something change?

 

 

Edited July 8, 2020 by JSSkinz

[Est.1974]

10 minutes ago, JSSkinz said:

Rob Rogers was the replacement for Schaffer, did something change?  Why is he not mentioned in that article?

 

 

pretty sure he is......

[JSSkinz]

4 minutes ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said:

pretty sure he is......

The excuse as to why he can't deal with the issues at hand just seem like typical Russell spin.

 

He doesn't know how chaotic the franchise has been, really?

 

Seems like a pile on piece which is Russell's forte.

 

[Est.1974]

3 minutes ago, JSSkinz said:

The excuse as to why he can't deal with the issues at hand just seem like typical Russell spin.

 

He doesn't know how chaotic the franchise has been, really?

 

Seems like a pile on piece which is Russell's forte.

 

I’d agree. It’s a **** stirring article at best. However, instinct makes you think we might be light on exec support in the current situation. Maybe not, who knows. 

[JSSkinz]

It's so frustrating being a fan of this team, all this crap hitting now feels like we're right back at square one.

[Est.1974]

1 minute ago, JSSkinz said:

It's so frustrating being a fan of this team, all this crap hitting now feels like we're right back at square one.

Honestly I’m fine with it. Now seems a good time to sort this out. Football may well be heading down the pan in 2020 anyway so I’d view this timing as ‘good’ as it won’t really impact the on field matters. 
 

Deal with the issue now. Build for 2021.

[alwaysaskin]

4 minutes ago, JSSkinz said:

It's so frustrating being a fan of this team, all this crap hitting now feels like we're right back at square one.

Time is a flat circle and Dan Snyder is the ownership equivalent of building a toxic waste dump in your back yard. I long for the quiet dignity of a Lions fan to be able to watch my bad team in peace. I must say that it’s impressive how much Snyder manages to defend his title of Worst Owner in Sports

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

https://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/40127/what-shareholders-looking-to-sell-means-for-dan-snyder-redskins

 

...Two days after the 2003 season ended, when the Redskins needed another coach, Schar made a phone call. To Joe Gibbs. It set in motion a series of events that led to the bombshell return of Gibbs as coach.

While Snyder eventually closed the deal, it was Schar who made the first call to his longtime friend in an aggressive early pursuit. Schar was on the board of Gibbs' Youth for Tomorrow Foundation, and the two had a strong relationship.

 

That was an unusual situation, but the impact will come mostly at a personal level. In the past 10 months, the organization hierarchy has changed quite a bit: Several trusted employees, including president Bruce Allen and senior vice president of football operations/general counsel Eric Schaffer, are gone. So, too, is Redskins senior vice president of communications Tony Wyllie and athletic trainer Larry Hess. They all knew Snyder well. They knew he was a demanding owner, with late-night calls and expectations to alter plans at the last minute.

 

Hess (18 years), Schaffer (17), Allen (10) and Wyllie (10) combined for 55 years of experience under Snyder.

But Snyder still had his group of minority investors that he considered friends. Smith, the chairman and CEO of FedEx, was not a regular at games, home or away, but Schar and Rothman often attended (Rothman, the chairman and CEO of Black Diamond Capital, was at just about every game). They became tight with Snyder and, one source said, served as a calming influence after games. Snyder would hang out in the owner's box after games, sometimes pacing, depending on the result. He could get lost in the minutiae of the moment, but the others could present a big-picture focus, a source said.

 

One source said Schar, chairman of NVR, the the nation's fifth-largest home builder, "couldn't be more down to earth but also had common sense brilliance to him, and Fred is the same." Both provided strong guidance when needed and business wisdom for Snyder over the years. One source said Snyder almost idolized Smith, especially for his business acumen in how he built FedEx. As one person said, "This had to sting [Snyder]."

 

...And, while some wonder about what it means for Snyder's ownership, another person who knows him well says he'd have a hard time ever seeing Snyder sell the franchise -- even if it could command a price tag of $4 billion.

"It's his identity," the source said. "That's a big, big deal."

 

...while Schar had a big influence in landing Gibbs, Rothman was a key part of the interview process in luring current coach Ron Rivera, according to a source. He also was at the scouting combine with Rivera and Snyder earlier this offseason, prompting one person close to the situation to express surprise that Rothman would want to sell.

Edited July 8, 2020 by Skinsinparadise

[Voice_of_Reason]

Chris Russell saying they should have kept somebody means that person was a friend and a source. It's that simple, the track record proves it.  Rob Rodgers was hired to essentially do the same thing Eric Schaffer did. So the position Schaffer filled in the organization has been filled.  

 

I don't disagree they need to hire somebody to run the business side. (PS: That shouldn't have been Schaffer, and that's not what Schaffer did)) They HAD that person in Brian Lafamina, who Bruce and Dan ran off.

 

They do need somebody to take things off of Rivera's plate.  I agree, one guy can't handle everything.  Even if it's somebody on the business side who works for Ron who he delegates to, that's fine.a start.  But Ron shouldn't have to be attending name-change meetings, marketing and sales meetings, and other stuff which will pull him away from preparing and coaching the team.

 

I am FINE with Kyle Smith working for Ron.  Not everybody is, but for now, that's fine with me.  Ron has 100% control over everything football related.  But he shouldn't also have to be the leader of the name change, the response to COVID, the response to the protests, the guy who's basically in charge of every aspect of the organization.  I completely agree he needs help

 

That said, I'm not sure "the building is in chaos" is accurate either.  What we've seen from Ron is a really steady hand on the tiller.  And sure, there is going to be chaos with the name change bomb that was dropped on them.  There's no way to avoid that chaos. What in the hell would Eric Schaffer have done with the name change stuff?  Write a contract and offer a legal opinion?

 

As usual, Russell might have some information, but he's missed the point.  Schaffer going was fine.  Probably good.  The person who shouldn't have gone was Lafamina and his crew.  THEY would be the people you'd want right now.  But Snyder and Allen ran them off within a year.  If Russell wanted to point to something stupid Snyder did, that's it.  Not firing his source.  This is the same sour grapes after both the Haz and Barry firings.  The Rooster spent YEARS trying to convince me Haz was an incompetent nincompoop. 

 

Ok, I'll fall of my soap box.  

[Burgold]

I think there is chaos in the building. How could there not be. I'm sure COVID has changed all plans and kept things in flux. To a degree, I suspect every NFL team is experiencing chaos right now. It kind of goes with the times.