inmate running the asylum Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 Today's WP article below left me confused as to what Marco Coleman's new role may be with the Redskins, assuming he is retained by the team. It doesnt seem to me that it has any realistic possibility of being worked out. <br /><br />Excuse me if this has been discussed before, as I dont have the time to go through and read each and every thread or post here. Maybe some other knowledgeable Redskin's fan, such as Bulldog or NavyDave can clarify the Redskins thinking here for me. Or maybe Im confused by the WP reporter who wrote the article.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37876-2002Mar29.html" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37876-2002Mar29.html</a><br /><br />The article implies that ideally Marco Coleman will reduce his salary, and somehow split playing time with Renaldo Wynn, Carl Powell and/or Bruce Smith. Now if Marco remained at left end, that would mean a 3 player glut at that position. So I cant see that working out. I mean you would have a $20 Mil player [Wynn] playing on 1st and 2nd down, and then Marco coming in on passing downs? In other words, one multi-million dollar player backing up another multi-million dollar player. And when does Carl Powell play?<br /><br />So I presume they mean switching Marco to RDE on 1st and 2nd running downs, and relegating Bruce Smith to becoming a pass-rush specialist on 3rd down. This doesnt make sense to me either. Even if Marco reduces his salary to say $1 or $2 Mil, now he would be backed up by a part-time player [smith], making $5.5 Mil! So we still have at least $7.5 Mil tied up in this one position.<br /><br />And of course with Renaldo Wynn moved to LDE in this scenario, we now have a black hole again at right defensive tackle. <br /><br />So unless I have missed something here, it looks like its adios to Marco Coleman, because I cant see how he fits. And Bruce Smith will also have to take a paycut too or hit the road, because how can you justify his $5.5 Mil salary this season? <br /><br />So if there is anyone out there that sees something in this article that I missed, I would like to hear your 2 cents worth. <img border="0" title="" alt="[big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /><br /> <br /> <small>[ March 30, 2002, 11:12 AM: Message edited by: inmate running the asylum ]</small> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 I don't want to rain on anyones parade mnd you, but we have no idea what the Redskins are doing. We can only speculate. <br /><br />I would think your looking at a lighter role for B Smith with Wynn and Coleman taking up the end spots.<br /><br />But all of that can change in pre-season when we get a chance to see our new line go at it.<br /><br />If Marco is convinced he still has a big role in the Defense, he'll stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 How did Marco Coleman fit last year or the year before? In 2000, didn't we have Nolan Harrison and Kenard Lang as well as Bruce Smith and Marco Coleman? Coleman fits becasue he's a team leader with a high motor and is a solid performer. Before Bruce came here he was a right defensive end much of his career.<br /><br />He moved over to the left side to accomodate Smith. He certainly has the ability to start for us, and move around, keeping the line fresh, and the opposition a little confused. Wynn may start at tackle at this point if we don't get anything else. Powell is a career nobody who certainly isn't going to replace Coleman if Coleman is interested in playing.<br /><br />Essentially we have approximately the same defensive line talent and depth that we had a year ago as it stands today. We certainly aren't at the point where we have a glut of anything along the defensive line. Get back to this topic when we add a young defensive end and a young defensive tackle in the draft. If that happens, it might start getting intriguing. Otherwise Coleman fits. Wynn fits because he's a tackle. And Powell had nine tackles last year. Anything he gives us is a bonus, not an expectation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCS:BraveCaringSoul Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 One thing to keep in mind Wynn can play all four down line positions. While he mostly played left DE last year some seem to think that he is even better at DT. <br /><br />If Coleman were to renegotiate I see him as the starter at LE with Wynn switching between DT and LE depending on the situation. <br /><br />Another possibility is that we draft Kalimba Edwards or that 6' 1" DE with 4.4 speed (forgot his name) that led the nation in sacks last yearto be our Kalu type edge rusher. Then I'd restructure Marco plug him in at LE and CUT #78. Wynn could play RE on run downs and LE for Marco on passing downs with the rook coming in to put pressure on the outside.<br /> <br /> <small>[ March 30, 2002, 11:44 AM: Message edited by: BallCoachSpurrier ]</small> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 Like Ray Rhodes, Marvin Lewis likes to rotate players in certain situations to keep them fresh. I could see Marco Coleman playing RDE in running situations and Bruce Smith playing RDE in passing situations. <br /><br />By the same token you could also see Coleman, Smith, Powell and Wynn at the same time in certain long yardage situations since Powell and Wynn have both played some DT. A lot depends on how Powell and backup DE Otis Leverette show up in Marvin Lewis' system as to whether Coleman will still be around or not.<br /><br />The bottom line is, if Coleman doesn't restructure his contract to make it more cap friendly, he's gone. If he or his agent even gripe about it in the media before it's discussed with the team, he's gone.<br /><br />The same could very well hold true for Bruce Smith. I think he may be asked to restructure his contract as well, especially since this will almost certainly be his last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted March 30, 2002 Author Share Posted March 30, 2002 P.S. - I guess the thing I dont see working out here, is one multi-million dollar player backing up another multi-million dollar player. Im trying to recall anywhere that exists in the NFL, other than maybe at QB.<br /><br />I mean if Marco reduces his salary to say $2 Mil -- which would be a drastic cut from $5.3 Mil-- he would either be backing up Wynn at LE or Bruce would be backing him up at RE. Im assuming Wynn would not play DT, because the WP writer implies that the coaching staff thinks Wynn is too undersized to play there, as was the case with Kenard Lang. <br /><br />Maybe the confusion here is with the WP reporter who wrote the article, and failed to clarify a few things with his sources. <img border="0" alt="[doh]" title="" src="graemlins/doh.gif" /> If I had been writing the article, I would have asked more specific questions from my source. <img border="0" title="" alt="[big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /><br />And another thing: Where are those Redskin fans now that were crying about all the lineup holes that needed to be filled, by such departing free agents as Raymer, Szott, Lang, etc? Judging from the WP article above, Joe Mendes has been very active in free agency, and seems to have his finger in everybody's free agency pie. <img border="0" title="" alt="[big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> If he comes through for us in the draft this year, maybe we have discovered a good GM right in our own backyard. <img border="0" title="" alt="[big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /><br /> <br /> <small>[ March 30, 2002, 11:44 AM: Message edited by: inmate running the asylum ]</small> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 Kenard Lang was a multi-million dollar player and he was Marco Coleman's backup. Of course, why are you so reluctant to believe what people are telling you in that Wynn is not just a left defensive end, but also a defensive tackle and if the season were to start to day, neither he nor Coleman would be backing each other up? Both would be starting with Wynn at Lang's tackle spot.<br /><br />Regardless, Darrell Green is a multi-million dollar player and he's a backup and has been a backup to a multi-million dollar player. Also, why you seem to think Wynn is a multi-million dollar player when he's really not, since his cap hit is $1.1 million. He's a single million dollar player. A $20 million contract is meaningless when that money isn't around for a few years.<br /><br />Still, this isn't complex. At present we have essentially the same defensive line makeup that we had a year ago and no one worried about where Coleman fit. We don't have the bodies to think Coleman doesn't fit. Not yet at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted March 30, 2002 Author Share Posted March 30, 2002 Well thanks for clarifying things Art. Maybe if you had wrote the WP article, I wouldnt have been confused. <img border="0" title="" alt="[big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">or that 6' 1" DE with 4.4 speed (forgot his name) that led the nation in sacks last yearto be our Kalu type edge rusher.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Dwight Freeney.<br /><br />BTW, am I the only one here who would trade our #18 for two relatively high 2nd rounders in a heartbeat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted March 30, 2002 Author Share Posted March 30, 2002 No ChosenOne... I would do that too. Well.......I might, it depends on how high they would be. <img border="0" title="" alt="[big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /><br />According to my recors, only Oakland, New Orleans and Houston have two #2 draft picks.<br /> <br /> <small>[ March 30, 2002, 11:55 AM: Message edited by: inmate running the asylum ]</small> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 I can clarify Coleman's role thusly: he's a FA departure if he doesn't restructure his contract. Any questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCinOz Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 I agree that Coleman and Smith will end up sharing the RDE duties IF both are on the roster.<br /><br />Coleman will be asked to restructure. The Redskins no doubt would like Coleman to reduce his 2002 base salary ($3.0m) down to the vet minimum (750k). If I was Joe Mendes I would be giving him some of that $2.250m base salary reduction in bonus money and some as additional incentives that count against next years cap if achieved. Basically, though if Coleman refuses to restructure at all, he's gone on June 1.<br /><br />If Smith is no longer a starter he should not be getting starter money. Now we don't want to upset Bruce before June 1 (he could spit the chewy and immediately retire leaving us with another $5.004m dead cap problem). But after June 1, I would be asking for him to commute a significant amount of his $3.5m base salary into incentives, otherwise we cut him and save $3.5m that we can use to plug any last minute gaps or resign some of our young talent to longer contracts like Jansen and Bailey.<br /><br />Whether Wynn ends up playing DT or DE will depend on who we draft and who we can get in FA. If we get one of the big 4 DT's in the draft then Wynn will play LDE.<br /> <br /> <small>[ March 30, 2002, 01:30 PM: Message edited by: PCinOz ]</small> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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