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12 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

playing with the Draft Network's drafts.  TE is a pesky spot.  They tend to go off the board quickly -- at least the ones I want go. 

 

 

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You like a lot of the same picks I do. It's a hard choice to pass on Briven Jordan in the second but always just a couple of player more valuable at a position of need available every time.

 

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21 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

playing with the Draft Network's drafts.  TE is a pesky spot.  They tend to go off the board quickly -- at least the ones I want go. 

 

 

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Out of all of them, I like you last one the best.

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I might have to fool around with The Draft Network mocks because PFF mocks just don't seem to turn out right.  I didn't move around any sliders on this one. 

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3 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

I might have to fool around with The Draft Network mocks because PFF mocks just don't seem to turn out right. 

 

 

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Decent.  :) I like #19, #74, #82, #163.

4 minutes ago, RWJ said:

Out of all of them, I like you last one the best.

Got to ask and I'm sure you did but did you post video of JOK?

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1 minute ago, RWJ said:

Decent.  :) I like #19, #74, #82, #163.

I like going BPA but Newsome at 51? Jamin Davis at 74? Tommy Tremble at 163? It all seems like a near zero percent chance of happening lol. 

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27 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

playing with the Draft Network's drafts.  TE is a pesky spot.  They tend to go off the board quickly -- at least the ones I want go. 

 

 

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Got to ask and I'm sure you did but did you post video of JOK?

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3 hours ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

A lot of people here aren't really catching on with the times. 

 

Matt Milano - 6'0 221 pounds

Deion Jones - 6'1 222 pounds

Cory Littleton - 6'3 228 pounds (notice the height, guy has the build of a 6'0 220 pounder)

 

JOK is absolutely fine if his playing weight is going to be 221. 


I think the point you’re making is absolutely true. Include Darius Leonard on your list as well...

 

Here’s the thing, though. Those guys play like they are 240. JOK plays like he’s 195.

 

Not the same.

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3 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Post a video of Koramoah?   Not sure I follow the question.  Have I yet or is there a specific post you are referring to?

Just general if you have posted a video of him.  Sorry for the confusion.  :)  

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You know, I’m starting to think there is VERY real value in Dylan Moses especially if he falls to the 3rd/4th. Dude took awhile to find a groove last year but he got better every week coming off of a major injury. He could wind up being a big time steal.

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9 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

I like going BPA but Newsome at 51? Jamin Davis at 74? Tommy Tremble at 163? It all seems like a near zero percent chance of happening lol. 

Could be.  Got to wait to see how it all plays out, Yoda.  :)

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19 minutes ago, KDawg said:


I think the point you’re making is absolutely true. Include Darius Leonard on your list as well...

 

Here’s the thing, though. Those guys play like they are 240. JOK plays like he’s 195.

 

Not the same.

I think it appears that way because he doesn't drive with his legs much when he tackles and goes for big hits.

 

I look at our team and 198 pound Kamren Curl is probably our best player against the run (that isn't on the DL) which causes me to wonder how much size really matters when he's mainly tackling 205-210 pound running backs and WRs? Tight Ends are even starting to look like oversized WRs. 

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Just now, Burgundy Yoda said:

I think it appears that way because he doesn't drive with his legs much when he tackles and goes for big hits.

 

I look at our team and 198 pound Kamren Curl is probably our best player against the run which causes me to wonder how much size really matters when he's mainly tackling 205-210 pound running backs and WRs? Tight Ends are even starting to look like oversized WRs. 

It’s not tackling the backs that’s the issue. It’s getting off of blocks from offensive linemen. It isn’t JOK’s strong point. He’s an athletic coverage specialist that can set an edge and make a play. I wouldn’t bring him In and immediately try to play him inside.

 

Maybe develop him to do so later, but taking the guy out of his strength to put him

somewhere that his current skill set doesn’t match is a bad plan.

 

Having said all that... maybe he was just really good at playing a role in college and he can do it... that’s info that the team would have access to that I don’t.

 

Based on what I know, I think it’s a mistake. But ****. We never know the whole story.

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14 minutes ago, KDawg said:

You know, I’m starting to think there is VERY real value in Dylan Moses especially if he falls to the 3rd/4th. Dude took awhile to find a groove last year but he got better every week coming off of a major injury. He could wind up being a big time steal.


I know he had an on and off career but not too long ago he was being mocked in the top 15. He’d be a solid pick in R3/4 if we end up going offense heavy early or trading up for Lance 
 

1: Darrisaw

2: Rondale Moore 

3: Jordan 

3:  Moses

 

Hudson and Harvey Clemons could man the nickel LB and Moses could be a pure MLB who could also play the nickel role depending on how he is in coverage 

 

 

 

 

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    Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah
    LB, Notre Dame
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    Alex Leatherwood
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You've watched all the tape, you know the stats. Now make your pick.

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28 minutes ago, KDawg said:

It’s not tackling the backs that’s the issue. It’s getting off of blocks from offensive linemen. It isn’t JOK’s strong point. He’s an athletic coverage specialist that can set an edge and make a play. I wouldn’t bring him In and immediately try to play him inside.

 

Maybe develop him to do so later, but taking the guy out of his strength to put him

somewhere that his current skill set doesn’t match is a bad plan.

 

Having said all that... maybe he was just really good at playing a role in college and he can do it... that’s info that the team would have access to that I don’t.

 

Based on what I know, I think it’s a mistake. But ****. We never know the whole story.

You don't draft a guy like JOK to improve your run defense (the guy has 33" arms, is very agile, I think he'll get there), I'm kind of looking at him as being a glue guy. Locking his man down allows Chase Young to be Chase Young, it allows the rest of our horses to get home. We need a LBer that can cover badly, Bostic and Holcomb don't seem that good in this area. The Bucs Tight Ends destroyed us in the playoffs. Curl got bullied a few times by Brate, it was just an eye opening game for the defense.

 

I don't think he'll be an inside linebacker at all, that is definitely playing him against his strengths, I agree with you there. JOK is a modern WLB through and through. Holcomb is a better fit inside tbh.

 

I'm somewhat ignorant to a nickel defense, formations are not really my forte. Would it not work to have Holcomb at SLB and JOK at WLB? I get that when we have 3 LB sets we might have to unfortunately use Bostic, unless he's replaced, but in 2 man LB sets couldn't we just do Holcomb and someone like JOK?

 

I just think he fits with what we currently have.

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9 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

You don't draft a guy like JOK to improve your run defense (the guy has 33" arms, is very agile, I think he'll get there), I'm kind of looking at him as being a glue guy. Locking his man down allows Chase Young to be Chase Young, it allows the rest of our horses to get home. We need a LBer that can cover badly, Bostic and Holcomb don't seem that good in this area. The Bucs Tight Ends destroyed us in the playoffs. Curl got bullied a few times by Brate, it was just an eye opening game for the defense.

 

I don't think he'll be an inside linebacker at all, that is definitely playing him against his strengths, I agree with you there. JOK is a modern WLB through and through. Holcomb is a better fit inside tbh.

 

I'm somewhat ignorant to a nickel defense, formations are not really my forte. Would it not work to have Holcomb at SLB and JOK at WLB? I get that when we have 3 LB sets we might have to unfortunately use Bostic, unless he's replaced, but in 2 man LB sets couldn't we just do Holcomb and someone like JOK?

 

I just think he fits with what we currently have.


In the 4-2 the choices are having him flexed out of the box or as one of the two inside guys.

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4 minutes ago, KDawg said:


In the 4-2 the choices are having him flexed out of the box or as one of the two inside guys.

When teams run the 4-2 are the two LBers typically there for run support or pass support? 

 

I thought if you were in that formation you're betting on it being a pass play. Although I can see the run defense suffering a bit. 

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2 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

When teams run the 4-2 are the two LBers typically there for run support or pass support? 

 

I thought if you were in that formation you're betting on it being a pass play. Although I can see the run defense suffering a bit. 


The inside backers are making reads. It’s not necessarily an either/or. The nickel defense typically comes into play against spread offenses. It’s a 6 man box vs a 7 in a traditional 4-3. You could keep 4-3 personnel and align similarly but you’ll likely suffer significantly against the pass.

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41 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

You don't draft a guy like JOK to improve your run defense (the guy has 33" arms, is very agile, I think he'll get there), I'm kind of looking at him as being a glue guy. Locking his man down allows Chase Young to be Chase Young, it allows the rest of our horses to get home. We need a LBer that can cover badly, Bostic and Holcomb don't seem that good in this area. The Bucs Tight Ends destroyed us in the playoffs. Curl got bullied a few times by Brate, it was just an eye opening game for the defense.

 

I don't think he'll be an inside linebacker at all, that is definitely playing him against his strengths, I agree with you there. JOK is a modern WLB through and through. Holcomb is a better fit inside tbh.

 

I'm somewhat ignorant to a nickel defense, formations are not really my forte. Would it not work to have Holcomb at SLB and JOK at WLB? I get that when we have 3 LB sets we might have to unfortunately use Bostic, unless he's replaced, but in 2 man LB sets couldn't we just do Holcomb and someone like JOK?

 

I just think he fits with what we currently have.

NFL Mock Nerds have him playing multiple positions which is invaluable.  To me, he's a swiss army knife of a D.  Wouldn't surprise me if N.E. took him at #15.  If he gets past them we have a shot to draft him and if Darrisaw is not there at #19, I hope we run the card up.  He can play:  Base 4-3 WILL linebacker; three-down defender who moves to box safety in sub-packages, described as good pass-coverage linebackers with pursuit skills and sideline-to-sideline speed.

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36 minutes ago, KDawg said:


The inside backers are making reads. It’s not necessarily an either/or. The nickel defense typically comes into play against spread offenses. It’s a 6 man box vs a 7 in a traditional 4-3. You could keep 4-3 personnel and align similarly but you’ll likely suffer significantly against the pass.

Makes sense, thanks for the insight. 

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25 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

When teams run the 4-2 are the two LBers typically there for run support or pass support? 

 

I thought if you were in that formation you're betting on it being a pass play. Although I can see the run defense suffering a bit. 

 

Think of the 4-2/Nickel as our base. We are in that formation more than 75% of the time. This is precisely because it is a passing league. But, if we are in this front 75% of the time, we obviously also need to be able to play the run out of this formation. 

 

KDawg, I think JOK is fine as a WILL in our 4-3 and an ILB in the 4-2. He's not going to be a bully of a stack and shed LB. In fact, I'd be in favor of pairing him with one of those. But, as I posted before, Darius Leonard has played at 215-218 and nobody says anything about him being too small. 

 

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JOK is a unicorn in coverage. His hips and explosion and short area quickness are elite. He's certainly capable of playing zone, but, if you want a LB to play man, I think JOK will be as good as any in the NFL. If we are going to field a defense to match that of the Tampa Bay Bucs of old, JOK can be the 2021 version of Derrick Brooks. Unless we are talking about playing single high, I don't think there is a safety on our roster that is as good in coverage as JOK, and he's probably better than at least half of our CB's. IMHO, the coverage and blitz ability more than makes up for the fact that he's sometimes going to get swallowed up by the OL against the run. 

 

Which is not to say that JOK is my favorite player for us at 19. I still think I like Darrisaw better. I like Parsons better. And I still think there is some chance that a top CB or WR drops to us. But, I do think JOK would be great on this defense and would fit right in as an elite athlete and tone setter. 

 

 

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Mills is one of my favorite QBs outside of the top 5, but I really don't want a QB in the third or earlier. There's just too many other positions I would like to fill. But I have a feeling we're going to take him with one of the 3rds if he's available. So I watched a highlight video... 

... and I do like what I see. But what really stood out to me was Simi Fehoko. I wouldn't be upset at all if we took this kid in the draft. 

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Too bad Sammis Reyes doesn't want to play LB.  6'5" (going on 7'), 260#, powerful dude, dude's gotta be great at taking a charge.  He should also know how to defend passing lanes, and he'd be a beast on a fast break after a steal.  And loose balls?  Dude's gotta have some grips.  Riverboat needs to have an hablar with Reyes and get him to play D.  He'd be the king of the D.  Then draft Tremble and move him to LB too.  They'll be inexperienced but after opposing ball carriers get the 💩 beaten out of them over and over, teams will be forced to pass and then our DL will rule the school.

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