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Love Najee Harris and Travis Etienne but I absolutely don't want a RB in round 1. Yeah, they are both great players but the relativ benefit of drafting a RB in round 1 is just too small. Even the best RB in the league only gets you so far if you can't block or if your passing game is not a threat. Also when their rookie contract is up and they panned out you need to either allocate significant financial resources to the RB position or you let your first round pick move on after 4-5 years. Both are not really sexy options. Ideally I'd like to draft someone in round 1 who offers me the upside to be a cornerstone for years and provides value at a relatively scarce position.

Drafting a RB in round 1 for me is a move for a contender, if at all. If you mostly got the rest of the team in place and then someone sits there who is a great puzzle peace to what you want to do. Kind of what the Chiefs did with CEH last year. In retrospect though, they'd probably prefer to go Oline with that draft pick.

 

If there is a nice RB talent available in the second or third round then yeah, let's go for it - I agree that we need another one. And it's not like our second rounders have been cornerstones for us going forward anyways.

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13 hours ago, The Consigliere said:

 

Tier 2:

2. Rashod Bateman

3. Rondale Moore

4. Devonta Smith

5. Jaylon Waddle

 

My targets would be Rondale Moore, and Tamorrian Terry. Ideal would be to steal Bateman in round 2, but he's going to fly up boards after his 40 the other day and probably break into late round 1 for a playoff team that needs a WR, or a garbage team that needs WR talent and trades into late round 1. 

 

I see Moore as the best value. He's a top 10 talent who sounds like will be available during day 2, and at that rate he's a mega steal.

 

 

I agree with all you have with the electric Moore. I worry about him staying healthy and I assume others do to which is why he does not look like a mid first rounder selection.

 

The recent guy I am reminded of with him is Hollywood Brown, electric but small and being able to keep on the field. That's why that year I moved AJ Brown higher than him. I feel I would do the same this year moving Moore further down. Yeah I guess at 51 he would be a decent value but comes with a bigger risk than others at that point

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4 hours ago, DWinzit said:

I agree with all you have with the electric Moore. I worry about him staying healthy and I assume others do to which is why he does not look like a mid first rounder selection.

 

The recent guy I am reminded of with him is Hollywood Brown, electric but small and being able to keep on the field. That's why that year I moved AJ Brown higher than him. I feel I would do the same this year moving Moore further down. Yeah I guess at 51 he would be a decent value but comes with a bigger risk than others at that point

 

Wouldn't say he is small. Don't get a Hollywood Brown vibe from him. But yeah, injuries are a question.

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Finished RB's and started looking at LB's. KJ Britt is going to be a mid round steal. He had a thumb injury that sidelined him. But he was a beast in the Senior Bowl. He just looks like a 10 year NFL MLB to me.

 

 

 

 

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37 minutes ago, Panninho said:
Wouldn't say he is small. Don't get a Hollywood Brown vibe from him. But yeah, injuries are a question.

I stand corrected on the size lol. He has however not been able to stay on the field

36 minutes ago, clskinsfan said:

Finished RB's and started looking at LB's. KJ Britt is going to be a mid round steal. He had a thumb injury that sidelined him. But he was a beast in the Senior Bowl. He just looks like a 10 year NFL MLB to me.

 

I like Britt but he isn't real good in coverage and he must stay clean. If any one gets on him he is done. 

While this may not be fair, if there is way to pull up the Senior Bowl watch him when he get "blown up" by one of my favorite sleepers Michigan FB Ben Mason

 

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Rondale Moore and Kardrius Toney just scream to me more than anyone Scott Turner's offense.   

 

On another note, I watched some Tevin Jenkins' games -- what a mauler in the run game.  Powerful hands/mean streak.  I've read he doesn't have the typical 33 plus length so he might project better to guard.  He'd be a beast IMO at guard.  

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, DWinzit said:

I agree with all you have with the electric Moore. I worry about him staying healthy and I assume others do to which is why he does not look like a mid first rounder selection.

 

The recent guy I am reminded of with him is Hollywood Brown, electric but small and being able to keep on the field. That's why that year I moved AJ Brown higher than him. I feel I would do the same this year moving Moore further down. Yeah I guess at 51 he would be a decent value but comes with a bigger risk than others at that point

In round 2 I'm all about a trade up for Bateman if he falls or Rondale Moore, after that I'm after guys like Terry that could come out as a discount.

 

Yep on AJ Brown, he and Metcalf falling as far as they did was high comedy, I wish I could have back my concerns about Metcalf at the time, but I was legit worried about his routes, and incredibly worried about his injury history but even so, some of the WR's that were selected ahead of him were so thoroughly idiotic (JJAW, Hardman) that it beggars belief. AJ Brown was my #2 WR in the '19 class, so his performance wasn't surprising to me, and I cleaned up in dynasty leagues with that. Thankfully I didn't have a lot of 1.01's that year, or I'd even have more Harry than I actually ended up having (about 4 shares compared to 9 of Brown). Harry's performance has been a reminder that while athletic metrics are way more relevant to TE's and RB's than they are to WR's, they still matter. I remain shocked that he hasn't been able to at least be a size/target weapon for jump balls. Both him and JJAW are misses primarily based upon athleticism. 

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49 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Rondale Moore and Kardrius Toney just scream to me more than anyone Scott Turner's offense.   

 

On another note, I watched some Tevin Jenkins' games -- what a mauler in the run game.  Powerful hands/mean streak.  I've read he doesn't have the typical 33 plus length so he might project better to guard.  He'd be a beast IMO at guard.  

Yes they would both be great in Turners offense and really something missing since Crowder left. They must come out of this draft with a slot receiver. 

 

I read this morning where there a number of teams who are crushing on Jenkins at RT knowing he could start out at G if needed.

 

Interesting to see Bolton getting love as undervalued at 22. He has mostly been considered early to mid second and may creep into the end of the first. (I wrote something on ILBs last week and totally forgot to include him...talk about undervalue lol)

 

Metcalf is still a baffling fall. Last player selected in the 2nd round, amazing and no wonder he has a chip on his shoulder because of that.

 

I though Harry was a reach in the first round but a perfect fit with Brady. Injuries wiped out his first year and no Brady wiped last year.

 

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1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

 

Go back to any mock draft before this past season and you'll find Bateman and Moore joined Waddle, Chase and Smith as all guys who were being penciled into the Top 15 regularly.


I don't think those guys are underrated as much as they're just going later in mock drafts because it's rare to see so many WRs at the top of the draft. And you aren't going to see 5 WRs getting drafted in the Top 15, especially if you have 4 or 5 QBs going Top 15 ... so somebody is going to get a steal in Bateman or Moore in the mid to late 1st.

 

I wouldn't be shocked to see Miami go for Penei Sewell at #3 knowing full-well they'll have a shot at Bateman at 18.

 

If Bateman is there at #19 I don't hesitate to take him. I'd be happy with Bateman or Darrisaw at #19. So probably just a matter of whether you prefer Darrisaw + Nico Collins or Bateman + Dillon Radunz. And since we already have a young WR core and I expect we'll add a WR in free agency, I would expect drafting another WR at #19 with a stud LB or LT on the board might be unlikely.

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22 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

 

Go back to any mock draft before this past season and you'll find Bateman and Moore joined Waddle, Chase and Smith as all guys who were being penciled into the Top 15 regularly.


I don't think those guys are underrated as much as they're just going later in mock drafts because it's rare to see so many WRs at the top of the draft. And you aren't going to see 5 WRs getting drafted in the Top 15, especially if you have 4 or 5 QBs going Top 15 ... so somebody is going to get a steal in Bateman or Moore in the mid to late 1st.

 

I wouldn't be shocked to see Miami go for Penei Sewell at #3 knowing full-well they'll have a shot at Bateman at 18.

 

If Bateman is there at #19 I don't hesitate to take him. I'd be happy with Bateman or Darrisaw at #19. So probably just a matter of whether you prefer Darrisaw + Nico Collins or Bateman + Dillon Radunz. And since we already have a young WR core and I expect we'll add a WR in free agency, I would expect drafting another WR at #19 with a stud LB or LT on the board might be unlikely.

 

I've probably posted more mocks on this thread than anyone so yeah I recall those days well. 

 

If I had to game this out (how FA goes might change my mind) I think BPA-need intersect especially well at LT-WR.   QB being the wild card but I'll leave that alone to keep it simple.

 

Scenario A

Take BPA LT at 19

Take BPA WR in the 2nd round

 

Scenario B

Trade down and take BPA at LT or WR

Take BPA in the 2nd either WR or LT depending on what they did in the first.

 

Some hypotheticals:  If they love lets say Darrisaw head and shoulders over the next LT, they take him at 19 if he's there and then take the best available WR in the 2nd lets say someone like Elijah Moore.  If they lets say love K. Toney and Rondale Moore but think neither lands to their 2nd round pick, then maybe trade down, take whomever lands there and in the 2nd take BPA LT lets say Eichenberg or Radunz, etc. 

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I’ll go against the trend and say we go LB and DB early in the draft during the first 2 days. Going to bank up on young, athletic, outright nasty D players.

 

Per SIP, leaving QB out of the debate for ease.

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1 minute ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Some hypotheticals:  If they love lets say Darrisaw head and shoulders over the next LT, they take him at 19 if he's there and then take the best available WR in the 2nd lets say someone like Elijah Moore.  If they lets say love K. Toney and Rondale Moore but think neiter lands to their 2nd round pick, then maybe trade down, take whomever lands there and in the 2nd take BPA LT lets say Eichenberg or Radunz, etc. 

 

Even if there's a run on WRs in the late 1st / early 2nd, someone is going to fall to #51.

 

I think a Darrisaw + Moore would be legit. I am also really intrigued by Amari Rodgers, and he should be there at #51 and maybe even in Round 3. A lot of big boards have him stuck in that 80-100 range, which I don't really understand given his speed/strength. He'd be a great fit on our team with a bigger WR outside IMO.

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10 minutes ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said:

I’ll go against the trend and say we go LB and DB early in the draft during the first 2 days. Going to bank up on young, athletic, outright nasty D players.

 

Per SIP, leaving QB out of the debate for ease.

 

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1 hour ago, DWinzit said:

Yes they would both be great in Turners offense and really something missing since Crowder left. They must come out of this draft with a slot receiver. 

 

I read this morning where there a number of teams who are crushing on Jenkins at RT knowing he could start out at G if needed.

 

Interesting to see Bolton getting love as undervalued at 22. He has mostly been considered early to mid second and may creep into the end of the first. (I wrote something on ILBs last week and totally forgot to include him...talk about undervalue lol)

 

Metcalf is still a baffling fall. Last player selected in the 2nd round, amazing and no wonder he has a chip on his shoulder because of that.

 

I though Harry was a reach in the first round but a perfect fit with Brady. Injuries wiped out his first year and no Brady wiped last year.

 

Bolton likely falls between 19-51.  I’d prefer to trade back and get him in the high 20s, but wouldn’t be too upset if he’s selected at 19 depending on how 1-18 go.  

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2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

On another note, I watched some Tevin Jenkins' games -- what a mauler in the run game.  Powerful hands/mean streak.  I've read he doesn't have the typical 33 plus length so he might project better to guard.  He'd be a beast IMO at guard.  

 

His film is fantastic and I think he is a Jack Conklin clone.  But my issue with drafting him at 19 is that I think Bateman and Harris and Etienne are all BPA ahead of him and that I think one or even all three will be there when we pick.

 

The other issue is I think he might be a RT only or a guard prospect as you say.  If he's a guard, then AVT is probably a better option than him, and if he's a RT, it's going to be a while before he can play for us because of Moses.  So he's kind of an awkward fit for us.  But he would make more sense to get if we traded down a little bit.

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13 minutes ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said:


as an aside I’ve got Damonte Coxie as my late round receiver pick.

 

I just picked the top WR there haha. I gotta assume that draft would pair with an off-season that saw us sign Allen Robinson and Trent Williams lol. Neglecting all offense until Round 5 seems criminal. But I do think it is entertaining to see how good you can make that defense. I also accidentally drafted Shakur forgetting I drafted Surtain earlier. So I guess you could drop in a QB/WR/OT there and I'd feel better. Still, I think FA will dictate a lot. And if they add a stud WR and add a QB like Mariota or Winston, I could see them waiting until Round 4 to target a slot guy. Maybe use a R2 on an OT. And then use R1, R3, R3 on defense ...

 

But, that said, after last year's off-season I said this year you had just go all-out on offense.

 

And I do think with our cap position we are in a prime position to address the defensive holes with some 1-year contracts or back-loaded contracts to let us take advantage of the cap blessing that we currently have. IF there is a year to go out and get some smart, team-friendly deals in place, this is the off-season to do it and we are one of the few teams that will have the cap space to take advantage of that.

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15 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

I don't think we can predict our draft direction until FA hits.

 

We probably won't draft Bateman or Toney if we sign a high priced WR.

If we get a WR in free agency, then I would go with D'Wayne Eskridge to fill the slot and give us a return specialist with legit 4.3 speed. Some analysts are now projecting him in the first round. Not sure I would go for him at 19 due to other needs, but if is available to us in the second round, I would go get him.

 

https://primetimesportstalk.com/2021/01/30/2021-nfl-draft-scouting-report-dwayne-eskridge/

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2 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

 

The other issue is I think he might be a RT only or a guard prospect as you say.  If he's a guard, then AVT is probably a better option than him, and if he's a RT, it's going to be a while before he can play for us because of Moses.  So he's kind of an awkward fit for us.  But he would make more sense to get if we traded down a little bit.

 

Yup.  Big fan of Teven Jenkins.  But don't know if he's a fit for our roster.  I've only looked at a few OL so far, but he's one that looks like he should be in the 1st round.  I like him considerably more than Jalen Mayfield.  I like him more than Christian Darrisaw, but Darrisaw looks like he can play either side.

 

This is my random guess/barometer for if OL is in play at pick 19:

 

Briefly summing it up, if Scherff walks, then we aren't going OL in the 1st.  If Scherff stays, then OL becomes more likely.

 

If we let Scherff walk, then sign two more possible breakout players who needs more time (like Schweitzer/Lucas/etc) at OT and OG for cheaper.  Then I think we aren't going after OL in the 1st.  However...if we re-sign Scherff, then I think drafting a OT in the 1st is fully in play, and becomes more likely.

 

If you guys remember what Rivera was talking about last off-season, he said a philosophy he's learned is "make your strengths even stronger" rather than trying to spread talent around evenly.  If your strengths become so strong you can overwhelm the opponent and dictate terms to them, it matters more than being a Jack-of-all-trades but master-of-none.  You can scheme up to cover weaknesses if your strengths worry your opponent.

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6 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Rondale Moore and Kardrius Toney just scream to me more than anyone Scott Turner's offense.   

 

On another note, I watched some Tevin Jenkins' games -- what a mauler in the run game.  Powerful hands/mean streak.  I've read he doesn't have the typical 33 plus length so he might project better to guard.  He'd be a beast IMO at guard.  

 

 

 

Lol the poor guard had nothing to do.

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38 minutes ago, Alcoholic Zebra said:

 

Yup.  Big fan of Teven Jenkins.  But don't know if he's a fit for our roster.  I've only looked at a few OL so far, but he's one that looks like he should be in the 1st round.  I like him considerably more than Jalen Mayfield.  I like him more than Christian Darrisaw, but Darrisaw looks like he can play either side.

 

This is my random guess/barometer for if OL is in play at pick 19:

 

Briefly summing it up, if Scherff walks, then we aren't going OL in the 1st.  If Scherff stays, then OL becomes more likely.

 

If we let Scherff walk, then sign two more possible breakout players who needs more time (like Schweitzer/Lucas/etc) at OT and OG for cheaper.  Then I think we aren't going after OL in the 1st.  However...if we re-sign Scherff, then I think drafting a OT in the 1st is fully in play, and becomes more likely.

 

If you guys remember what Rivera was talking about last off-season, he said a philosophy he's learned is "make your strengths even stronger" rather than trying to spread talent around evenly.  If your strengths become so strong you can overwhelm the opponent and dictate terms to them, it matters more than being a Jack-of-all-trades but master-of-none.  You can scheme up to cover weaknesses if your strengths worry your opponent.

I kind of understand but if they don't sign Scherff there is NO way they don't take at least one if not 2 OL in the first 3 rounds.

They have not brought in a big OL FA or a legit day 1 or 2 OL pick in years. They are over due

With Tackles being fairly strong in this draft, I hope they take advantage of this and grab one in the first 2 days. 

 

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4 hours ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

 

Even if there's a run on WRs in the late 1st / early 2nd, someone is going to fall to #51.

 

I think a Darrisaw + Moore would be legit. I am also really intrigued by Amari Rodgers, and he should be there at #51 and maybe even in Round 3. A lot of big boards have him stuck in that 80-100 range, which I don't really understand given his speed/strength. He'd be a great fit on our team with a bigger WR outside IMO.

I am with you on Rodgers. I really like him with WFT in the 3rd! 

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