The Vehicle Thread

[88Comrade2000]

This was originally the EV- Electric Vehicle Thread but I decided to expand it to include all types of vehicles. Electric,Hybrids, Autonomous, Cars, Trucks, SUVs, CUVS, etc...

 

The original first post is below:

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A major change is happening in the automotive industry.  The rise of Electric Vehicles.  Tesla is going to have plenty of competition as every automaker is developing electric vehicles. They already do now.

 

Here's every electric vehicle on sale in the US for 2020 and its range 

 

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It's getting easier, slowly but surely, to plug in to electric motoring. EVs are becoming an increasingly common sight on US roads, along with the charging stations needed to keep 'em juiced up. A few brands seem to dominate the news cycle when it comes to new electric cars, but there are actually well over a dozen fully electric models on sale in the US today.

That in mind, here's a list of every electric vehicle on sale in the US, and how far each will go on a single charge, according to the EPA....  <<<

 

More EVs are due to come online.  By 2030-2035 that's all there will be. The old internal combustion engine will be made obsolete.

Every automaker is going to electrify their fleet.  Thing is, will the public be ready.  In order for electric vehicles to reach that mass popularity, 4 things need to happen:

 

1.   Right now, EVs cost alot.  They need to go down in price and be comparable in price to what today's automobile costs.

2.  The range has to be the same as gasoline powered vehicles.

3.  Instant charging.  You need to be able to charge instantly.  People don't want to wait forever to charge their vehicles.

4.  Charging stations everywhere.  Pretty much you replace gas pumps with charging stations.  You still have one or two gas pumps but most pumps are replaced with charging stations.

 

Here's a couple of E-Vehicles coming soon:

 

2021 Ford Mustang Mach E

 

Here's another one: 

 

2022 VolksWagon Microbus

 

So, do you see yourself in an electric vehicle soon?  In 10 to 15 years, that's probably all that will be available.

Edited March 20, 2021 by Rdskns2000

[China]

I disagree that in 10 to 15 years all that will be available is electric vehicles.  Why?  Because of items 1-4 listed above.  Those changes won't be in place in 10-15 years, it will take longer.  Plus some people still keep their cars for more than 10 years, the infrastructure for gasoline vehicle will still need to be there.  The changeover will take longer.

Edited March 12, 2020 by China

[TheGreatBuzz]

When will will they have an EV truck that can pull the same weight as an F-350 diesel dually?

[FanboyOf91]

The current price war between Saudi Arabia and Russia is going to kill them.

[TheGoodBits]

2 hours ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

When will will they have an EV truck that can pull the same weight as an F-350 diesel dually?

Today. 
 

How far? Well that’s another story at the moment.  

 

 

2 hours ago, FanboyOf91 said:

The current price war between Saudi Arabia and Russia is going to kill them.

Delay, sure. But gas prices haven’t been high for awhile. That’s not a significant driving factor behind EV adoption at this point. 

[CousinsCowgirl84]

Most of the electrical vehicles outside of Tesla’s have not made it to market. They can’t seem to get enough batteries.

 

bmw canceled the US launch of the i3...

 

the Audi Etron is being produced but on a very limited basis... 

 

vw said the were “re-evaluating” 

2 hours ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

When will will they have an EV truck that can pull the same weight as an F-350 diesel dually?

Tesla semi can pull much more.

Edited March 12, 2020 by CousinsCowgirl84

[China]

Electric motors have a lot of torque.

[Bang]

Not really anything to do with EV, but THAT does NOT look like a Mustang.

 

Looks like every other toyotahondanissan crossover thing.

 

~Bang

[Riggo-toni]

Tesla's AI units in their cars are reportedly a decade more advanced than anything on the market thanks largely to Musk's obsession with self driving cars. The tipping point for me will be when cars get a 600+ range so that I can take cross country road trips without having to pause for an hour every 250 miles to recharge. One or two exponential leaps in battery technology and EVs will rule the roads.

[88Comrade2000]

47 minutes ago, Bang said:

Not really anything to do with EV, but THAT does NOT look like a Mustang.

 

Looks like every other toyotahondanissan crossover thing.

 

~Bang

It's not a Mustang.  It's a Mustang inspired electric crossover. 

[China]

39 minutes ago, Rdskns2000 said:

It's not a Mustang.  It's a Mustang inspired electric crossover. 

 

If it's not a Mustang, why is there a Mustang on the grille?

[88Comrade2000]

2 hours ago, China said:

 

If it's not a Mustang, why is there a Mustang on the grille?

Because they called it Mustang Mach-E.  It's based off the Mustang but it's not the same vehicle as the Mustang sports car.   They should've left the Mustang name off it.

 

Here's article with an opposite opinion of mine that liked that ford named the vehicle Mustang Mach E.

 

Making Mach-E A Mustang Was A Master Stroke By Ford 

 

>>>Since Ford announced its new electric vehicle would be called the Mustang Mach-E, I’ve read many comments and articles (like this and this) complaining about the company’s choice. Some say it’s an insult to the Mustang name. Others say it’s a brazen marketing ploy. I say it’s a genius move that sets up Ford to become the first automaker with an EV that can truly challenge the dominance of Tesla.....<<<

[88Comrade2000]

Honda, VW Making Wildly Different Bets on Our Electric Future 

>>>Volkswagen says a million people a year will buy VW EVs three years from now. Honda's CEO says people want fuel efficiency, not EVs. Who's right and how soon will we know?...<<<<

[twa]

On 3/12/2020 at 2:17 PM, Riggo-toni said:

Tesla's AI units in their cars are reportedly a decade more advanced than anything on the market thanks largely to Musk's obsession with self driving cars. The tipping point for me will be when cars get a 600+ range so that I can take cross country road trips without having to pause for an hour every 250 miles to recharge. One or two exponential leaps in battery technology and EVs will rule the roads.

 

fuel cells will be the big leap, both in transportation and local power generation.

[Renegade7]

They'll have more space to put charging stations at interstate rest stops, which honestly is where they are needed more sense folks can charge their car at home. They need to prioritize this selling point to accelerate this, means apartment complexes, not tearing down gas stations.

 

It's an advantage I'm not sure is talked about enough, you cant fill up a gas car at home, you at best have to go to a gas station and fill up a portable, having them jus sitting in the house can be dangerous.

 

I'm hoping by time I pay off my jeep the electric hummer has a solar panel on its roof, that's what I have my eyes on. By then I'll be renting or owning a house.

Edited March 16, 2020 by Renegade7

[CousinsCowgirl84]

On 3/12/2020 at 3:17 PM, Riggo-toni said:

Tesla's AI units in their cars are reportedly a decade more advanced than anything on the market thanks largely to Musk's obsession with self driving cars.

 

Don’t believe everything you read... unless they are talking about tech that is unreleased, subaru eyesight is just as good as autopilot...the advanced features of the a Full Self Driving suite work sporadically and are more parlor trick than useful tool. Still love the car, but i’d rather have more car than fsd, which is why i’m trading in my model 3 with fsd for a awd long range model y without.

 

 

A solar roof on an EV would only add a few miles range/day...  I wouldn’t put EV chargers are rest stops... Tesla puts them just off the interstate either near gas stations or at gas stations (wawa and sheets) and it’s much better there.... stop for 15 minutes and continue on..

Edited March 16, 2020 by CousinsCowgirl84

[Renegade7]

56 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

 

A solar roof on an EV would only add a few miles range/day...

 

Based on current technology a d not a reason not to do it.

 

56 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

 

 I wouldn’t put EV chargers are rest stops... Tesla puts them just off the interstate either near gas stations or at gas stations (wawa and sheets) and it’s much better there.... stop for 15 minutes and continue on..

 

Why wouldnt you put them at rest stops?  You live in VA, We already doing it.  This is a blocker for folks that want to do road trips. How many of us have passed a gas station sign that made us squint on how many miles off the interstate the nearest gas station was?  A lot of gas stations in the cities dont gave room for charging stations unless they remove some gas pumps that's a hard sell.

[CousinsCowgirl84]

6 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

Based on current technology a d not a reason not to do it.

 

 

 

 

even if tech improves 10x you are still talking about 20 miles/day.  20 miles a day would just barely cover phantom losses (ie the power it takes to keep the computers and security system (sentry mode) running) Elon musk said it’s not practical. He is a big proponent of solar tech.

 

 

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Why wouldnt you put them at rest stops?  You live in VA, We already doing it. 
 

 

Those chargers you see at the rest stops are pathetic 110v outlets that would require more than 24 hours to recharge.  At least that’s the one on I64 outside of Richmond.

 

 I think they would be better and wawas and sheets because you can stop and get a drink whatever while you wait.  
 

I’m not saying you can’t have charges at rest stops, but I’d rather go to one at a gas station... like Tesla has them set up as.

 

Edited March 16, 2020 by CousinsCowgirl84

[Renegade7]

6 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

 

 

even if tech improves 10x you are still talking about 20 miles/day.  20 miles a day would just barely cover phantom losses (ie the power it takes to keep the computers and security system (sentry mode) running) Elon musk said it’s not practical. He is a big proponent of solar tech.

 

 

I'd argue this is why you put solar panels for the secondary systems.  Even if it doesnt severely increase the range will it hurt so much that they shouldnt do it anyway?  I saw Musk throw cold water in regards to range.

 

6 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

 

Those chargers you see at the rest stops are pathetic 110v outlets that would require more than 24 hours to recharge.  At least that’s the one on I64 outside of Richmond.

 

 I think they would be better and wawas and sheets because you can stop and get a drink whatever while you wait.  
 

I’m not saying you can’t have charges at rest stops, but I’d rather go to one at a gas station... like Tesla has them set up as.

 

 

Fair, I'm not saying they shouldnt have them at gas stations.  I'm saying theres more room and need for good ones at rest stops to help change perception for people getting stranded with an EV on a road trip.  I'm proposing priorities to help with perception vs reality.

[CousinsCowgirl84]

If you own a Tesla you will never be stranded, there are plenty of places to charge. I’m not sure about other EVs, but electrify America is starting to build out it’s infrastructure...

 

 

EV solar panels to weigh more me than glass, probably have a higher coefficient of friction, and increase the warrantee costs for a manufactured. 

[88Comrade2000]

Ocasio-Cortez, Levin Sponsor Bill to Install EV Chargers across U.S.  

 

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• U.S. Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) and Andy Levin (D-Mich.) want a high-speed electric-vehicle charging network along the nation's highways in five years. The want stations that charge EVs as quickly as filling up a traditional car with gas. The EV Freedom Act would also include provisions for good-paying jobs and buying U.S.-made products.......<<<

It won't happen under Trump but if Biden wins, he should do it.

[PokerPacker]

On 3/12/2020 at 11:46 AM, TheGreatBuzz said:

When will will they have an EV truck that can pull the same weight as an F-350 diesel dually?

Were you under a rock when the Cybertruck was announced?

[TheGoodBits]

10 hours ago, PokerPacker said:

Were you under a rock when the Cybertruck was announced?

I made the same point in response earlier in this thread, but towing capacity and battery range while towing are two every different issues. Ability to haul a 38ft camper is great, but if you’re getting less than 150 miles per charge while towing and trying to take that on a cross country trip... not the best use case for an EV truck at the moment. 

[88Comrade2000]

11 hours ago, PokerPacker said:

Were you under a rock when the Cybertruck was announced?

That thing looks ugly as hell.

[TheGreatBuzz]

12 hours ago, PokerPacker said:

Were you under a rock when the Cybertruck was announced?

I'm sorry I forgot to come back and respond but the two posts above are pretty on point.  Also, the Cybertruck towing capacity is no where near my F350 diesel.  It looks to be more in the F150 range.  I need to tow about ~18k pounds.