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Why Texans Don’t Want Any More Californians

 

Across a frightened nation divided by politics and culture, a fragile harmony is ascendant, as Americans in small towns and large cities alike cry out in trembling unison: Hey, where did all these Californians come from?

 

Talk of a “California Exodus” is sweeping the country—and so are anxieties about its effects on the rest of the West. In October, the Boise mayoral candidate Wayne Richey proposed at an election forum to build a $26 billion wall to keep out people moving from the Golden State. (His backup plan to stop the invasion of Boise? "Trash the place.”) A viral Wall Street Journal article recounted the plight of a small Idaho town buckling under the stress of thousands of inbound Californians. And this month, Texas Governor Greg Abbott issued a warning on Twitter to Californians moving to his state: “Remember those high taxes, burdensome regulations, & socialistic agenda advanced in CA? We don't believe in that.” The sentiment was echoed in various warnings in Dallas newspapers about the awful “California-ing” of North Texas.

 

In 2016, President Donald Trump swept the Republican primary with a simple message: Build a wall to keep out the immigrants. Today, a new anti-migration theme is sweeping the country: Build a wall to keep out the Californians.

 

But is the California Exodus real?

 

From one perspective, the answer is very clearly yes. In 2012, California gained 113,000 people on net through domestic and international migration. Last year, California lost 40,000 people on net to migration, according to its own demographers. The state still grew, thanks to births, but at the lowest rate on record. Now the U.S. state most synonymous with all varieties of growth—vegetal, technological, and human—is at the precipice of its first-ever population decline.

 

Western states taking in new Californians might be more anxious about change than they once were. Texas, for example, has been the most popular destination for outbound Californians for more than a decade, consistently averaging about 60,000 to 70,000 new Golden Staters per year. But now the state is at an inflection point, between its history as a ruby-red conservative stronghold and its future as a more mixed state with blue metros and red rural areas. In this context, the next SoCal family that U-Hauls into North Texas isn’t just some nice couple with different taste in barbecue; instead, they’re potentially the demographic straw that breaks the GOP’s back.

 

And while California’s overall out-migration isn’t unprecedented, some states and counties are taking in an unprecedented share of newcomers from there. The number of Californians moving to Idaho, for instance, increased by 120 percent from 2012 to 2018. The number of Los Angeles residents moving to Dallas and Houston declined in those years, but the number of Angelenos moving to Plano, Texas, tripled.

 

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I have lived in Socal for over 20 years. Love it despite its numerous flaws, and work really keeps me from seriously thinking of moving, but hell yeah every person I know at one point talks about selling their house in LA and using the windfall to buy a house somewhere else that is way bigger and then basically retire with what you have left over.

 

And there are consequences to that. It drives up the property values in other places and makes it harder for people to afford.

 

Also, every city in America slowly becomes Silverlake. You can see it already. Artisanal everything, tatted up chefs in open restaurants... you can't stop what's coming, 'Merica!

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I don't really see myself ever moving from California.  It's expensive, but hey I got money.  I might leave Torrance at some point and head up north to San Francisco just to switch it up. 

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You mean, tons of Americans are choosing to work where the pay isd high, and then retire where costs are low?  

 

 

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Just now, Larry said:

You mean, tons of Americans are choosing to work where the pay isd high, and then retire where costs are low?  

 

 

 

Yep! That's what I did. I continued to work in Virginia on federal proposals until my stroke, and then went to Texas because I couldn't afford to live in Alexandria on my retirement funds. Plus my daughter and granddaughter live here, otherwise I wouldn't have picked Texas. 

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17 minutes ago, Larry said:

You mean, tons of Americans are choosing to work where the pay isd high, and then retire where costs are low?  

 

 

 

Pay LSD high?  People are paying in acid?

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I saw a newsy show one (maybe 60 minutes) about a midwest community where a bunch of California tech people moved because their money went so much further and they could telework anyways. Like, if you make $1 million/yr, you can afford a nice but still not crazy home (and probably a condo) in SF. In Rapid City South Dakota, you could buy a castle on 200 acres. I just tried to find it and it turns out the “Silicon Prairie” concept is pretty popular all over the midwest. 
 

https://thehustle.co/life-in-the-silicon-prairie-techs-great-migration-to-the-midwest/

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Certainly was a shock to me how much my bil paid for a fixer upper around San Jose,

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Wasn't Texas going to succeed from the US and become it's own country anyway ?

With the maga congresspeople we have now,this year might be thier best shot, to get it passed through 

 

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3 hours ago, LadySkinsFan said:

Texas took in this Virginian in 2018. Unfortunately for them, I am a Blue one.


same here, except 2019. I moved from Alabama and was happy to help get Doug Jones elected. I’m not sure if he’ll be re-elected because he’ll be running against Jeff Sessions and not Roy Moore. Sessions is like a god down there. It’s unfortunate.

 

12 minutes ago, c slag said:

Wasn't Texas going to succeed from the US and become it's own country anyway ?

With the maga congresspeople we have now,this year might be thier best shot, to get it passed through 

 


at one point they talked about it, but I haven’t heard any chatter since moving here. I really pray that they don’t, now that I live here. But there’s enough MAGA jerkoffs here that I don’t think they’ll try it, unless of course we get a gay or black president. Then their worlds would collapse and they’ll be begging to get out once again

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57 minutes ago, c slag said:

Wasn't Texas going to succeed from the US and become it's own country anyway ?

With the maga congresspeople we have now,this year might be thier best shot, to get it passed through 

 

Trump may have "won" the state of Texas in the presidential election, but it was the only state in the union where some of the electors decided to cast their electoral votes for somebody else.

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4 hours ago, Kosher Ham said:

I need to see what @twa has to say about this. 

 

I think studies show the majority moving here are of a conservative bent.

 

Certainly a lot of people moving here including assholes, most are welcome.

 

I had someone behind me laying on his horn the other day....I resisted the urge to shoot him.🤨

 

 

 

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Same thing here in Massachusetts. 

We have an insane cost of living and we all move to Florida when we're done working. 

It's why that state is loaded with massholes.

 

I was in a conversation with a southerner up here one day and he said, "why on earth would anybody want to live here everything is so expensive"

I said so we can retire and move into your state and live like kings.

The look on his face kinda led me to believe he didn't even realize how much of an advantage it was.

He actually looked quite pissed off about it.

 

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1 hour ago, redskinss said:

Same thing here in Massachusetts. 

We have an insane cost of living and we all move to Florida when we're done working. 

It's why that state is loaded with massholes.

 

I was in a conversation with a southerner up here one day and he said, "why on earth would anybody want to live here everything is so expensive"

I said so we can retire and move into your state and live like kings.

The look on his face kinda led me to believe he didn't even realize how much of an advantage it was.

He actually looked quite pissed off about it.

 

Looks like someone just realized they’re getting schtupped in his right to work state. 😄 When I left the DC area and moved to Jawjuh, I thought it would work out similarly as the northern retirement plan because I worked in a skilled profession where there was/is a lot of demand for workers. Silly rabbit. I negotiated as hard as I could with multiple hospitals and finally realized I was going to have to take about a 25% pay cut. I had been working an insane amount of hours because agency pay in particular was really good. Here, they paid the same rate as for full-time employees. So I got hit both on my regular pay rate and the agency hours I had been working. Housing was less expensive but that didn’t even come close to making up for it. Southern workers are getting pimped big time. If I hadn’t been trapped here by family, I’d have probably left a long time ago.

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I don't see myself moving out of CA, flaws and all, until retirement age when I will likely be in a situation of needing to make my money stretch further. 

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I'm pretty happy in NC, but if I ever moved to Texas, a strong motivation would be that brisket. 😍

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My son just bought a place in NC, said something about building a goat fence.

 

brisket beats cabrito, pork ribs are good though

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Moved from Arlington to a smaller town in VA, 70 miles west of DC.  If it weren't for my parents getting old and needing to be around the area for them I'd have been long gone from this area awhile ago.  It's just not worth it to me.

 

Don't miss the cost of living.  Work from home, made more last year than I ever did.  I miss some of the conveniences of living in Arlington, there are some things we just don't have here.  But that's ok.  It's been a great move.  

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