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Kobe Bryant Killed in Helicopter Crash

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4 hours ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

He never played for the Mavericks, correct?

 

The only connection of Kobe with the Mavericks is their only championship year (2011) they beat the Lakers in the Western Conference semi-finals. 

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Such incredibly horribly sad news 😢

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7 hours ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

 

An imperfect legacy for an imperfect person. 

 

Too soon, Momma, imo, especially with daughter dying, too.  He probably had her in his arms while the copter was going down, what you talking is literally the last thing on my mind right now. Maybe a couple days I'll be ready for this.

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I feel really bad for his now widowed wife and his other kids. Losing a husband (spouse) is bad enough but to also lose a child at the same time has to be a worst nightmare come true. The last thing in life a parent wants to do is bury one of their children. And his kids now have to finish growing up without their father and a sister.

 

My sincere condolences go out to his wife and children. A truly horrific situation. 

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1 hour ago, Renegade7 said:

 

Too soon, Momma, imo, especially with daughter dying, too.  He probably had her in his arms while the copter was going down, what you talking is literally the last thing on my mind right now. Maybe a couple days I'll be ready for this.

 

Maybe too soon, I understand the sentiment. My intent wasn’t to drag the guy at this point. But I love Kobe and I’ve loved him since I was a 10yr old kid. He was my hero and I’ve been broken up about it since in a way that I have never been regarding a celebrity death. 
 

I’ve seen a lot of people (not on here) question why we are even mourning him at all and having difficulty separating the player or the lives that he touched with that incident. 
 

so I was up late thinking about it and felt like sharing my thoughts for anyone that felt that way. Maybe it will help them understand where so many of us are coming from 

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I was furious with him when the rape happened, but he took his life forward, became a better family man, and helped champion womens' movements. 

I think that's the true legacy...that even after committing a horrible crime (yes, a crime), he was able to get it together and make a lasting impression on humanity. 

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2 hours ago, Renegade7 said:

 

Too soon, Momma, imo, especially with daughter dying, too.  He probably had her in his arms while the copter was going down, what you talking is literally the last thing on my mind right now. Maybe a couple days I'll be ready for this.

I don't think they even had a clue it was coming.  I forget his name but some aviation expert was on the junkies this morning.

 

While he said it's still too early to know for sure, it looked like they flew up into the clouds and was whiteout conditions, and while in the clouds the elevation started to get higher and higher. And then due to whiteout they probably decided to just go down below the cloud cover thinking it was still fine since they had just gone up, however the elevation had quickly gotten higher and they hit the mountain. He also said the things max speed was about 180mph and they were probably traveling close to that at the point of impact.

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13 minutes ago, skinsmarydu said:

I was furious with him when the rape happened, but he took his life forward, became a better family man, and helped champion womens' movements. 

I think that's the true legacy...that even after committing a horrible crime (yes, a crime), he was able to get it together and make a lasting impression on humanity. 

 

I thought he cheated on his wife.  Rape?  Damn.  I'll never understand why people rape, especially if they can get a freaking group of 10s to hop on it.

 

I'll have to do my research, but without that being confirmed...

 

I was on the phone with my dad, watching the Maryland game. Bam, Kobe Bryant 1978-2020.  F'ing F.

 

I said it's like Stevie Ray Vaughn.  

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The world seems just a little less competitive today.  
 

still no words. My era was literally shooting fade-away pants jumpers  into laundry baskets yelling Kobe 

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I was thinking about this last night.

 

What made Kobe fascinating was how legitimately odd he was. Most black NBA stars are not relatively privileged teenagers who grew up overseas and spoke multiple languages.  He was weirdly uncool. Except he had a single-minded drive and focus where he decided that the culture would accept him as cool.

 

His nickname is the great example of this. How many NBA veterans suddenly announce to the world that he has given himself a new nickname? And one stolen from a movie at that. I was way into the baskeball blogosphere when that happened, and everyone found it hysterical. And yet, slowly over time, we all not only accepted "Mamba," we embraced it.  Because unlike a million other celebrities, Kobe was not going to back down to the jokes.

 

When the news came across my phone yesterday, my first thought was "Mamba, no!!!"

 

I have a daughter Gigi's age, and the most fun I have with her is sports tournaments. She's quirky and is now way into archery. She and I are going to College Station next weekend for a tournament. If something would happen to us on the way, my wife would mourn me, but she would never get over the loss of our daughter. I can't imagine what Vanessa Bryant is going through now.

 

 

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With this news I wanted to say I love you Washington fans. You just want to say that to anyone you can because you never know when it’s our last day.

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Life is weird. As I was eating breakfast yesterday, I wasn't thinking, "Lamar Odom is going to make my wife cry in the next 24 hours."

 

Also, has anyone checked on Meta?

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7 minutes ago, Lombardi's_kid_brother said:

Life is weird. As I was eating breakfast yesterday, I wasn't thinking, "Lamar Odom is going to make my wife cry in the next 24 hours."

 

Also, has anyone checked on Meta?

He was on MSNBC on the phone yesterday, very distraught. 

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As much **** as we know about Meta from his NBA days and malice in the palace, that dude seems like a genuinely REALLY good guy at this point in his life.  I remember watching celebrity Big Brother and he was on the first season, and the dude was just such a nice and caring person.  It was completely different than I expected just based on his NBA reputation.  

 

And he was SSUUPPEERR into his family.  Like his family means everything to him.  He voluntarily left the show because he missed his family too much.  

 

I cannot imagine how losing a friend to this guy would feel to him.

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While I am old enough to have still seen Michael Jordan's 2nd half of his prime during the 90's championship runs, Kobe Bryant was the assassin I "grew up with."  He is 1 year older than me, was drafted my junior of high school. There were so many "the next Michael Jordan" players that came and went during that time, Kobe Bryant was the closest thing that generation came to seeing it happen.

 

 As a Sacramento Kings fan he broke my heart on multiple occasions but I respected how good of a player and competitor he was. 

 

Yes, he has imperfections as a person in his past, but it wasn't just Kobe that perished in the crash. His daughter was with him, also there is a piece of his wife and other children that will be permanently damaged by this as well. 

 

RIP

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I keep watching that video of Kobe and Gigi at a Lakers game, and he's teaching her stuff and she's immediately picking it all up. It's just so tragic. 

 

Tomorrow is not promised for any of us. We make plans all the time on what we're going to do tomorrow, the weekend, later in the year. We do it like it's a foregone conclusion that we'll still be here to be able to do those things, but it's not. We let misgivings and unresolved issues with people we love linger because we just don't want to deal with the tension of working it out, and we think there is going to be a day in the future where we'll finally resolve it. 

 

But the reality of it is we've convinced ourselves death happens to everyone, but us. We know it'll be our turn one day, and we avoid thinking about it because we've convinced ourselves it's so far in the future that we have time to do things they we know we should be doing. This is one of the thoughts that keeps replaying in my head since this happened. This, and Vanessa will never be the same again. 

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Being in jr. high in the early 90s and hitting high school in the mid 90s, I found myself really getting into basketball.  I'd always watched baseball and football a lot but I had friends that I grew up with that were into basketball and it rubbed off on me, too.  Took a big jump forward when the Bullets drafted Juwan Howard and then TRADED FOR CHRIS WEBBER.  Obviously, like everyone else, I loved Michael Jordan and the Bulls.  Nationally televised games on NBC, every weekend it seemed like Knicks/Bulls and those games were all out wars.  I also really loved GP and Shawn Kemp in Seattle.  Iverson in Georgetown and then Philly!  The Fab 5.  Duke/UNC.  Of course, the Dream Team and the subsequent Olympic teams.  And not even watching NBA/NCAA basketball, but you had awesome stuff like NBA JAM and NBA Live to play.  I remember getting NBA Live '95 for Sega Genesis on Christmas and playing it non stop for months.  And then NBA Live '96 was even better.   And I know I'm missing out on a ton of other memories/teams/players from that time but it was such an amazing time for basketball. 

 

I don't mean to be that guy saying things were better in my day, but things were better in my day.  Maybe that's not fair, maybe they weren't better but I don't think you'll ever have another time like that for basketball.  It was a really interesting time, you had these guys who largely defined their teams that they were on...like Patrick Ewing defined the Knicks.  Jordan defined the Bulls.  Stockton/Malone defined the Jazz.  Kemp and GP were the Sonics.  And then in the NCAA ranks you had these teams that would stick together for years, there was no "one and done."  You had Duke and if you loved them or hated them, you still got to watch Laettner and Hurley go through their entire careers in college  And then Grant Hill.  And you had two years of the Fab 5 in Michigan.  Basketball at that time just seemed to have such an incredible amount of momentum and excitement at that time...lead by Jordan but everything else outside of Jordan was just so damn exciting, too.  It doesn't come across that way to me anymore...basketball is still great, but I think a lot of the greatness is wrapped up in the yearly summer drama of which star player is going to go which team.  And which young star that did his time in the NCAA for a year and is making the leap.  It's still a great time for basketball, the players are incredible...but I just don't think you'll get another time like there was back then.

 

Lost in all that was something we can't get now and something we haven't had since the LeBron's entrance into the league, which is the rash of kids that were going straight from high school to the NBA.  I remember getting a Sports Illustrated (I loved getting Sports Illustrated, I'd devour it every week) delivered to the house with someone named Kevin Garnett on the cover.  It said something about how he was going to the prom and then how he'd soon be a top pick in the upcoming draft.  And he looked SO YOUNG.  I think I was headed into my freshman year of high school and it blew my mind that someone who wasn't that much older than me was headed into the NBA draft.  I learned that Garnett was going to be the first guy, IIRC, to go to the NBA after their senior year of high school since Moses Malone and/or Daryl Dawkins or something like that.  

 

And then after Garnett did it, it picked up steam.  You had seemingly a bunch of high school basketball stars doing the prep to pro thing after that for a span of a few years.  And it was up to me and my friends to try and to deduce who'd be the good ones and who'd be the ones that wouldn't make it.  Some of them turned out great, you had Tracy McGrady and Jermaine O'Neal (who didn't have a great start but then turned into a really good player) and some other guys that turned out to be pretty good pros like Tyson Chandler.  There were busts like Eddy Curry, Korleone Young and...of course...Kwame Brown.  Some of those guys are stretching into my college years but every year there were guys coming out of high school who were hotly debated about if they were ready to go to the league or not.

 

But there was one that we all agreed on, and that was Kobe Bryant.  Kobe Bryant entered the league, IIRC, when I was a sophomore in high school and my buddies and I that loved to watch and talk about basketball were all consumed with him.  We didn't understand how he signed with Adidas and had his shoes made by them (remember Crazy 8s?), but whatever.  We all loved reading up on him, watching his highlights and just thinking...wow, this guy is amazing.  And so thinking about that, watching a guy who was only a few years older than us get into the NBA...just made you think, as a high schooler, that anything was possible.  Not that any of us could have ever even sniffed the NBA but you had an understanding that greatness could be achieved at any age if you wanted to work for it.  Watching his whole career unfold was just incredible, the dunk contest...squaring off with Jordan!  Teaming up with Shaq, watching them tear through the league for three years in a row and then when they broke up you had to pick a side.  And then the later years where he proved that he could do it without Shaq.  81 points.  60 points in the final game.  Like I said in my previous post, he transcended the game to a point where you were forced to appreciate him.  I was a Shaq guy so when they split I held it against Kobe but always respected him.  Had to, he was so damn good.  The closest thing you'd get to Jordan in a time where so many people were looking for the next Jordan.  Remember Harold Minor?

 

But one of the things that strikes me tonight is that how rare he was.  And I'm not just saying that he was rare from a basketball standpoint, he was exceptionally rare from a LIFE standpoint.  For all the high schoolers that came out straight to the NBA between Garnett and LeBron, Kobe was the one who everything really worked out well for, aside from Garnett.  And as good as Garnett was, he wasn't Kobe.  McGrady is a basketball Hall of Famer but he was always hurt, you only really got a glimpse of what he could be.  O'Neal was a really good pro.  Kobe had such an amazing career and then an amazing career after basketball.  Can't say the same for the rest of the prep to pro guys from that era, except Garnett.  We see so many players get drafted that have high expectations and it's rare that they actually live up to those expectations...or even surpass them.  Kobe did it on the hardwood, he did it in life after retirement.  

 

The other thing that struck me was that I thought about one of my friends growing up, his name was Andre.  Andre was perhaps the most basketball obsessed of all of us, he devoured everything all the time.  We went to high school together and we spent a lot of time playing pickup basketball together at lunch.  Spent a lot of time reading Slam magazine during study hall when we should have been doing our homework.  Played a lot of NBA Live together when we could.  We were great friends and then we ended up going to the same college together, were roommates freshman year.  Still played pickup basketball, watched a lot of basketball in the dorm, played whatever video games we had.  And Andre was a giant Kobe fan.  Can still hear his voice, can still hear his laugh, infectious.  His smile lit up a room.  Can still hear him yell "Kobe!!!" the way kids do when they go up for a shot and try to imitate one of their favorite players.  

 

I transferred schools after the fall 2001 semester, 2.5 year into college and by that time Andre and I were growing apart.  He was spending all his time with his girlfriend, someone who I, quite frankly, wasn't a big fan of...and when we spent time together, she had to be there.   When I came back the next semester to visit, I couldn't find him.  Tried to reach out, didn't get in touch.  And since we had grown apart some, it didn't really bother me too much.  

 

I thought of Andre yesterday because about 7 years ago, right before Christmas I got facebook chat alert on my phone that included a bunch of my high school buddies, started by his sister.  I remember right where I was, in a parking lot walking towards a shopping center looking for a gift for my mom.  Andre had died.  We were all in shock and pretty broken up about it.   I found out later from one of my high school buddies that he was up in Minnesota and that it had something to do with alcohol and drugs, which didn't make any sense because the guy I knew didn't have a sip of alcohol while were in college, never tried any drugs.  He didn't have all the details, and none of us still really do, it's a bit of a mystery.  He died really young and I felt bad that I didn't do more to keep up the relationship.  Maybe had I been there, he wouldn't have wound up that way.  A life lost, way too soon.  Kobe's death reminded me of Andre, a guy who pops into my thoughts from time to time, but especially around the holidays when I'm reminded about his passing.

 

Kobe, being as young as he was when he broke into the league...for me and a generation of fans, it feels like we grew up with him.  He really marks the time for us in the way that great athletes and artists who are cultural touchstones get to define for us.  Watching Kobe grow from the time he was in high school to the pros...it marked the time.  It marked high school, college, my professional career...he was there.  And now he's not and it's terrible.  

 

I'm rambling now, I'm just gonna let it go.  And keep watching the talking heads on ESPN today.

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, purbeast said:

I don't think they even had a clue it was coming.  I forget his name but some aviation expert was on the junkies this morning.

 

While he said it's still too early to know for sure, it looked like they flew up into the clouds and was whiteout conditions, and while in the clouds the elevation started to get higher and higher. And then due to whiteout they probably decided to just go down below the cloud cover thinking it was still fine since they had just gone up, however the elevation had quickly gotten higher and they hit the mountain. He also said the things max speed was about 180mph and they were probably traveling close to that at the point of impact.

 

That sounds plausible. My question would be why were they traveling so fast? Also, the crash occured on the lower part of the mountain. You would think the pilot would be aware of their location and elevation at which they were flying, as well as the weather conditions. It also looked like they circled back by looking at the flight path.

 

Honestly my first thought was that it was deliberate suicide by the pilot. Obviously I have no clue, but the fact they were traveling at full speed and had such a rapid ascent and descent makes me wonder.

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5 hours ago, goskins10 said:

I feel really bad for his now widowed wife and his other kids. Losing a husband (spouse) is bad enough but to also lose a child at the same time has to be a worst nightmare come true. The last thing in life a parent wants to do is bury one of their children. And his kids now have to finish growing up without their father and a sister.

 

My sincere condolences go out to his wife and children. A truly horrific situation. 

 

We just have to remember the other passengers were parents with their children too.  I dont want them to be afterthoughts in this. 

 

I worry about them in the sense that Kobe's surviving wife and kids have the entire NBA and sporting world ready and willing to comfort and  support them and resources for the years to come.  I hope they start being absorbed in the embrace because they're gonna need it just as much.

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7 minutes ago, abdcskins said:

 

That sounds plausible. My question would be why were they traveling so fast? Also, the crash occured on the lower part of the mountain. You would think the pilot would be aware of their location and elevation at which they were flying, as well as the weather conditions. It also looked like they circled back by looking at the flight path.

 

 

I wonder about this too.  That aircraft is plenty capable to fly IFR (instrument flight rules) why is essentially flying when you can't see ****.  It should have told them they were about to hit a mountain. 

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