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1 hour ago, KDawg said:

 

Linebackers play on instinct, though. Holcomb just isn't the guy I'd look at as a SAM/WILL. So, in that sense, he's not a guy I look at as a 3-4 inside backer, either.

 

He IS a guy that fits well in the MIKE. Athletic enough to cover, smart enough to play the spot, aggressive enough to make plays and he's smart and a sure tackler. He checks the boxes for MIKE. With less of a role in coverage and more downhill play I think he's going to thrive. 

Totally agree.  I’m going to be very curious (assuming Holcomb earns the role) to see 1) how he looks in Del Rio’s system and 2) if we see any marked improvement in his coverage skills.  

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23 minutes ago, KDawg said:

 

I don't think it's a sign of us drafting well or not. 

 

I tend to think we had a good draft. But I guarantee that this team wouldn't have been #1 in rookie production if the team was built better. 

 

Our reliance on injury prone players and a poorly built roster thrust guys into playing roles that didn't necessarily need to be. Which led to higher production.

 

This stat is less about a good draft and more about the amount of rookie playing time due to it being a necessity.

 

That's NOT a knock on our draft last year. I think it was pretty damn good.

 

I just don't think this stat is what proves it.

I was thinking something similar.  Does Haskins play if Smith were healthy?  Does Holcomb if we hadn’t had such a gaping hole at linebacker (or if Foster had been healthy)?  Ditto Moreland.


On the flip side, Terry and Sweat were going to play regardless, and the former looked awesome from day 1, while the latter grew as the season progressed.  All 4 of these guys look they belong (Moreland is more of a maybe, but he didn’t look completely outclassed out there, which is good for a rookie db), and we haven’t even seen much/anything yet from Martin/Piersbacher/Love/Brailford.  
 

More broadly, it’s hard for me to truly judge Kyle Smith as 1) I don’t think he’s been the decision-maker for 1st round picks, 2) the team has been pretty bad, and 3) I don’t trust that our coaching has been getting guys to realize their full potential.  I think I’d say that worst case, he’s done pretty well though.  

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Wait a second, I just thought of something.

 

Are we getting all excited about this draft class, but also forgetting we fired a lot of the people that helped bring that draft class too us? 

 

Seriously, we have many of the same scouts, but they interact with the coaches and front office. A lot of that has been turned over. 

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2 minutes ago, Unbias said:

Wait a second, I just thought of something.

 

Are we getting all excited about this draft class, but also forgetting we fired a lot of the people that helped bring that draft class too us? 

 

Seriously, we have many of the same scouts, but they interact with the coaches and front office. A lot of that has been turned over. 

 

 

Kyle Smith was the Director of College Personnel at the time of this draft.  He was promoted to that position just after the 2017 draft so he's primarily responsible for last year, and the year before which was a pretty good draft. 

 

Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2018 1 Da'Ron Payne 13 DT 2019 0 0 2 12 31                         7.0 Alabama
2018 2 Derrius Guice 59 RB 2019 0 0 0 2 5           42 245 2 7 79 1     LSU
2018 3 Geron Christian 74 T 2019 0 0 0 2 18                           Louisville
2018 4 Troy Apke 109 S 2019 0 0 0 1 17                       1   Penn St.
2018 5 Tim Settle 163 DT 2019 0 0 0 3 31                         2.0 Virginia Tech
2018 6 Shaun Dion Hamilton 197 LB 2019 0 0 0 5 32                       1 2.5 Alabama
2018 7 Greg Stroman 241 CB 2019 0 0 0 2 16                       1   Virginia Tech
2018 7 Trey Quinn 256 WR 2019 0 0 0 2 15           1 0 0 35 273 2     SMU
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My guess has always been that Bruce weighed in pretty heavily on the 1st round, but probably deferred a lot more in subsequent rounds.  I’m not sure why I think that, but that lead me to think Smith and Gruden were more responsible for the later picks.  

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On 1/24/2020 at 8:50 AM, KDawg said:

This stat is less about a good draft and more about the amount of rookie playing time due to it being a necessity.

 

Since the rankings are based on the "wins above replacement" metric, I'm not sure simply having rookies get more playing time would be enough to rank a team as #1.

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Pretty crazy to think at one point we had 4 rookies starting on offense (QB, three WRs and a RG). While on defense at least two rookies (RDE and LB). These weren't throw in guys either, all of them played well.

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On 1/24/2020 at 1:41 PM, OVCChairman said:

 

 

Kyle Smith was the Director of College Personnel at the time of this draft.  He was promoted to that position just after the 2017 draft so he's primarily responsible for last year, and the year before which was a pretty good draft. 

 

Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2018 1 Da'Ron Payne 13 DT 2019 0 0 2 12 31                         7.0 Alabama
2018 2 Derrius Guice 59 RB 2019 0 0 0 2 5           42 245 2 7 79 1     LSU
2018 3 Geron Christian 74 T 2019 0 0 0 2 18                           Louisville
2018 4 Troy Apke 109 S 2019 0 0 0 1 17                       1   Penn St.
2018 5 Tim Settle 163 DT 2019 0 0 0 3 31                         2.0 Virginia Tech
2018 6 Shaun Dion Hamilton 197 LB 2019 0 0 0 5 32                       1 2.5 Alabama
2018 7 Greg Stroman 241 CB 2019 0 0 0 2 16                       1   Virginia Tech
2018 7 Trey Quinn 256 WR 2019 0 0 0 2 15           1 0 0 35 273 2     SMU

 

Okay. That's good to know. 

 

I'm not too excited about the 2018 draft. Like the talent, but still waiting to see if it will translate to on field production. Guys like Guice have always bugged me because I'm so excited to see them on the field and with every injury I wonder what kind of player is left. I think Payne is a complete hit, but just for reference here's how the rest of the first round went: 

 

1 14 NOR Marcus Davenport DE 22 2019 0 0 1 7 7 26 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 27   10.5 Texas-San Antonio College Stats
1 15 OAK Kolton Miller T 22 2019 0 0 2 15 15 32 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0       UCLA College Stats
1 16 BUF Tremaine Edmunds ILB 20 2019 0 0 2 21 21 31 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 146 3 3.5 Virginia Tech College Stats
1 17 LAC Derwin James S 22 2019 1 1 1 13 13 21 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 98 3 3.5 Florida St. College Stats
1 18 GNB Jaire Alexander CB 21 2019 0 0 2 12 12 29 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 111 3 0.5 Louisville College Stats
1 19 DAL Leighton Vander Esch OLB 22 2019 0 1 2 16 16 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 145 2 0.5 Boise St. College Stats
1 20 DET Frank Ragnow C 22 2019 0 0 2 14 14 31 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0       Arkansas College Stats
1 21 CIN Billy Price C 23 2019 0 0 1 8 8 26 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0       Ohio St. College Stats
1 22 TEN Rashaan Evans ILB 22 2019 0 0 1 14 14 31 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 102   2.5 Alabama College Stats
1 23 NWE Isaiah Wynn T 21 2019 0 0 0 4 4 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0       Georgia College Stats
1 24 CAR D.J. Moore WR 21 2019 0 0 2 17 17 31 0 0 0 0 0 19 212 0 142 1963 6 1     Maryland College Stats
1 25 BAL Hayden Hurst TE 25 2019 0 0 0 6 6 28 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 43 512 3       South Carolina College Stats
1 26 ATL Calvin Ridley WR 23 2019 0 0 1 14 14 29 0 0 0 0 0 8 61 0 127 1687 17       Alabama College Stats
1 27 SEA Rashaad Penny RB 22 2019 0 0 0 7 7 24 0 0 0 0 0 150 789 5 17 158 1       San Diego St. College Stats
1 28 PIT Terrell Edmunds S 21 2019 0 0 2 12 12 32 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 126 1 1.0 Virginia Tech College Stats
1 29 JAX Taven Bryan DT 22 2019 0 0 1 6 6 32 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 31   3.0 Florida College Stats
1 30 MIN Mike Hughes CB 21 2019 0 0 0 4 4 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 56 2   Central Florida College Stats
1 31 NWE Sony Michel RB 23 2019 0 0 2 12 12 29 0 0 0 0 0 456 1843 13 19 144 0       Georgia College Stats
1 32 BAL Lamar Jackson QB 21 2019 1 1 1 34 34 31 364 571 4328 42 9 323 1901 12 0 0 0       Louisville College

 

There's players that I'd consider better and players I'd consider worse. Obviously seeing Jackson at 32 is a bit annoying, but I'm sure almost all the other 31 teams that drafted before are saying that. 

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42 minutes ago, PartyPosse said:

The best part? The best player didn’t even play. I anticipate Love being a dominant back and we had the luxury of taking a risk on him because of Guice. Just sucked that Guice got injured again.

Has anyone heard anything regarding Bryce this off season?  He is one I am VERY interested to see in camp/preseason.  He was a very good back in college.  2nd to Baker Mayfield in Heisman voting his Junior year.  Interesting potential if healthy.  Seems to be our curse (hopeful reversal at some point) recently. 

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1 hour ago, Riggo'sRangers said:

Has anyone heard anything regarding Bryce this off season?  He is one I am VERY interested to see in camp/preseason.  He was a very good back in college.  2nd to Baker Mayfield in Heisman voting his Junior year.  Interesting potential if healthy.  Seems to be our curse (hopeful reversal at some point) recently. 

He's expected to be fully healthy for 2020 season and his role is probably going to be the third down back once owned by CT. 

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2 hours ago, -JB- said:

Always great when you have the #1 rated rookie class and still finish 3-13 lol

That’s good stuff :)

 

Seriously, it’s sad we only won 3 while fielding a strong dline, decent oline, a very good receiver, a productive draft class, and yes... an excellent punter.  
 

On the bright side, we’ve fielded a strong dline, a decent oline... etc.

 

Young guys getting valuable playing and development time is a good thing.  Builds depth, and let’s you figure out if you have any promising starters.  I’m glad we got to see these guys in action.  

Still unsure about a lot of these guys, but McLaurin and Sims (UDFA, but still) looked good, and Haskins, Harmon, Holcomb and Moreland showed promise.  

 

On a separate, but related note, I’m excited to see Love in action and look forward to perhaps getting a chance to see Brailford, Martin and Piersbacher as well.  

 

I see a lot of avenues for young guys to break into contributing roles next year too, guys on hand, and from our 2020 draftees.  Although things are fluid due to FA... LT, LG, RG, WR, LB, corner, FS and TE are all fairly up for grabs at the moment (not to mention Chase Young on the DL).  

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On 1/24/2020 at 7:49 AM, Alcoholic Zebra said:

Wait, PFF thinks Haskins was the 12th best QB last season?  I mean, we all saw his development.  But that means there are more mediocre to bad QB's in this league then I thought.

 

I'm not bothering to count his first backup appearance.  Gruden tanked it on purpose.


12th best by their ratings from when he started. So excluding the games he came off the bench earlier where he really struggled.

 

Over his last two starts Haskins was the 3rd highest rated QB in the league.

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