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Looking ahead... A long road ahead indeed but we shall all prevail, if we don't drop dead because of the virus...lol

 

"A phase 1 clinical trial to assess an investigational vaccine for COVID-19 has begun at Kaiser Permanente Washington Health Research Institute in Seattle, according to an NIH news release.

 

The vaccine, which is named mRNA-1273, was administered to the first study participant on Monday. The full open-label trial will enroll 45 healthy adult volunteers aged 18 to 55 years for approximately 6 weeks. Researchers from NIAID and biotechnology company Moderna, Inc. worked in tandem to develop the candidate. There are currently no approved vaccines for COVID-19."

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It is a train wreck in slow motion.  We can see what needs to come next, but summoning the collective will to do it is difficult.  We all want to pretend this won't impact me or those I love unless we let it.  However, we all need to choose to be impacted in order to lessen the impact on our society as a whole.  Alas, this is not the American normal way.

 

We are a giving society, but we insist on all of us having a choice to give or not.  This is one of those times where removing the choice means less has to be given.  Thus, we see the train about to collide and hope we have the courage to make the hard choices and hit the brakes.

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Just now, zskins said:

Looking ahead... A long road ahead indeed but we shall all prevail, if we don't drop dead because of the virus...lol

 

"A phase 1 clinical trial to assess an investigational vaccine for COVID-19 has begun at Kaiser Permanente Washington Health Research Institute in Seattle, according to an NIH news release.

 

The vaccine, which is named mRNA-1273, was administered to the first study participant on Monday. The full open-label trial will enroll 45 healthy adult volunteers aged 18 to 55 years for approximately 6 weeks. Researchers from NIAID and biotechnology company Moderna, Inc. worked in tandem to develop the candidate. There are currently no approved vaccines for COVID-19."

Hope all you Skin fans are staying safe. I love you all.

2 minutes ago, gbear said:

It is a train wreck in slow motion.  We can see what needs to come next, but summoning the collective will to do it is difficult.  We all want to pretend this won't impact me or those I love unless we let it.  However, we all need to choose to be impacted in order to lessen the impact on our society as a whole.  Alas, this is not the American normal way.

 

We are a giving society, but we insist on all of us having a choice to give or not.  This is one of those times where removing the choice means less has to be given.  Thus, we see the train about to collide and hope we have the courage to make the hard choices and hit the brakes.

This is awful just sitting in the house. I’m not the type of guy who likes being in the house doing nothing but we have too in order to stop the virus.

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2 hours ago, Mr. Sinister said:

 

I care, just not as much as I care about my own situation. 

 

Yeah, agreed.  He's not even playing.  Somehow the Nets were able to get the entire team tested privately ($$$).  Four of them tested positive.  Makes you wonder how prevalent this is in general, and whether the vast majority of the cases go completely unnoticed.  That's not exactly a good thing, but its noteworthy that there seems to be such a stark distinction in tolerance seems between young/healthy individuals and older/sick people.  It's almost like this is an airborne version of pneumonia.  I've been in the hospital for extended stays before where I was told that the #1 risk they have there, other than the patient's underlying condition, is developing sitting pneumonia.  3 times a day they would bring in this plastic device where I would inhale as hard as possible to test my status (or perhaps to keep me clear).

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So dumb. It didn't start in Spain. You can literally Google this. Also, cause we were ****ed up in 1918 doesn't mean we have to follow a hundred years later.

 

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To maintain morale, wartime censors minimized early reports of illness and mortality in Germany, the United Kingdom, France, and the United States.[7]Papers were free to report the epidemic's effects in neutral Spain (such as the grave illness of King Alfonso XIII).[8] These stories created a false impression of Spain as especially hard hit,[9] giving rise to the pandemic's nickname, "Spanish flu".[10]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

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Anybody notice that Germans are dying at a much  lower rate than, say, Spaniards, even though they are getting 1000+ cases? What are they doing differently?  

 

Look, the Chinese are floating conspiracy theories, claiming that the virus originated in the United States.  If they are going to use conspiracy theories like that, I think we need to call it the Chinese virus.

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8 minutes ago, redskins59 said:

Anybody notice that Germans are dying at a much  lower rate than, say, Spaniards, even though they are getting 1000+ cases? What are they doing differently?  

 

Look, the Chinese are floating conspiracy theories, claiming that the virus originated in the United States.  If they are going to use conspiracy theories like that, I think we need to call it the Chinese virus.

Did Xi say it in an official government communique (which sadly Trump's tweets are) or was it some Chinese Asshats on Weibo?   Real question.

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1 hour ago, twa said:

 

I am speaking of the rate on the tests China and others have used with reported false positive rates of 50% or so....not the us ones.

 

You're still wrong.  The WHO test, which is what China has used, is not 50%.  That was an early test from one group in Chin that's based on one study.  No country has gone through this with a test with a 50% false positives.  Not even China has used such a kit, much less China and others.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/health/coronavirus-tests-who.html

 

And, again, if you have lots of a test with a high false positive rate, you're going to change your behavior anyway.  You're acting like if that's the situation, we wouldn't have adapted (like we did with the test we had).

 

If you have lots of a test with a high false positive rate, you just test everybody several times. 

 

SOP would be different if the test being used had a high false positive rate.  You've made up a scenario that has no basis in reality (no country ended up using a test that had a 50% false positive rate), and then pretended if it had happened nothing else would have changed.

 

If you had lots of a  test with a high false positive rate, you wouldn't just quarantine everybody with a positive result and anybody that had contact with them.  SOP would change.

 

@bcl05 is correct.  Lots of a tests early in the process with a high false positive rate is better than no test or very limited tests.  SOP would be different, but it would be better.

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2 minutes ago, KAOSkins said:

Did Xi say it in an official government communique (which sadly Trump's tweets are) or was it some Chinese Asshats on Weibo?   Real question.

 

I know their diplomats are doing that.  Not Xi directly.  An ambassador from South Africa was one.  Also, trolls on twitter spreading propaganda, who propably work for the Chinese government.

They are not going to do that unless the higher ups decided to do that.  

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US/Canada border slowly creaking shut while trying to protect trade.

 

Nigeria closing go US citizens, so guess we aren't going to see her family for a while.

 

WHO really doesn't like while scale travel bans out of concern for the economy. Are we going to ignore them again? Do we have to?

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29 minutes ago, redskins59 said:

Anybody notice that Germans are dying at a much  lower rate than, say, Spaniards, even though they are getting 1000+ cases? What are they doing differently?  

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.euronews.com/amp/2020/03/13/coronavirus-why-does-germany-have-so-few-covid-19-deaths

 

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At a press conference last Wednesday, Prof. Dr. Lothar H. Wieler, President of the Robert Koch Institute in Berlin said, "From the beginning, we have very systematically called upon our doctors to test people."

 

He added that the German system can provide "testing to a high degree so that we can easily look into the beginnings of the epidemic."

 

Wieler also explained that this is just the beginning for Germany. "If you imagine an epidemic like a curve [...] then there are countries that are simply further" into the progression of this epidemic.

 

He expects the case numbers and the numbers of deaths to rise, just like they have in other affected countries.

 

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58 minutes ago, No Excuses said:


If someone requires ICU care due to their symptoms, they will get it regardless of testing or not. The point of testing isn’t to send people into emergency care situations. The only real concern would be drugs but since there are no anti-viral drugs involved here that can be falsely prescribed, it’s a non-issue.
 

As usual you are making **** up. 

 

ICU care is not the only care needed, did other countries place patients assumed thru false positive tests in proximity to truly infected?

 

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9 minutes ago, ThePackisback said:

I hope the NFL season isn’t cancelled and they can get a control on this before then.

 

I dunno.  If they cancel the season, then do the teams keep the same draft order?  That would get us another year of drafting second, without having to actually watch a season that ends up with us drafting second.  

 

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1 minute ago, Larry said:

 

I dunno.  If they cancel the season, then do the teams keep the same draft order?  That would get us another year of drafting second, without having to actually watch a season that ends up with us drafting second.  

 

Good question. I hope we have football at least. This took out basketball season.

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3 minutes ago, Larry said:

 

I dunno.  If they cancel the season, then do the teams keep the same draft order?  That would get us another year of drafting second, without having to actually watch a season that ends up with us drafting second.  

 

 

Yeah, this upcoming season getting cancelled might actually be as ideal for the Redskins as any other team.  Young QB who is learning a new system with a new HC, we draft high (assuming draft order remains intact), etc.  If they had some type of lottery to determine draft order, I assume it'd be weighted towards teams that had the worst records in the most recent season, so that'd still benefit the Skins.

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17 minutes ago, twa said:

 

ICU care is not the only care needed, did other countries place patients assumed thru false positive tests in proximity to truly infected?

 

 

Just.... ok. Your understanding of medical care is truly something. 

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2 hours ago, kfrankie said:

 

Yeah, agreed.  He's not even playing.  Somehow the Nets were able to get the entire team tested privately ($$$).  Four of them tested positive.  Makes you wonder how prevalent this is in general, and whether the vast majority of the cases go completely unnoticed.  That's not exactly a good thing, but its noteworthy that there seems to be such a stark distinction in tolerance seems between young/healthy individuals and older/sick people.  It's almost like this is an airborne version of pneumonia.  I've been in the hospital for extended stays before where I was told that the #1 risk they have there, other than the patient's underlying condition, is developing sitting pneumonia.  3 times a day they would bring in this plastic device where I would inhale as hard as possible to test my status (or perhaps to keep me clear).

This points at a lot of what's wrong with the system. Even if the data didn't show otherwise, do you actually have the greatest healthcare system in the world if you can't afford to use it? Even in a dire emergency situation like now? Of course, the so-called "job creators" will have access to care and services so I guess it's all good.

 

Second, I think this highlights one of the basic advantages of the UBI. Having that as a base under everyone automatically reduces the shock of something like this without any last minute wrangling and haggling about socialism and other such foolishness. We'd certainly still need some kind of help in an extraordinary case like this, but for most shocks, I think it would help keep people afloat and hence the bills getting paid, businesses being patronized, etc.

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2 hours ago, kfrankie said:

It's almost like this is an airborne version of pneumonia.

 

That's because that's essentially exactly what this is. The people that are dying, to my knowledge, are the people where the virus makes its way to the lower respiratory system where it then causes pneumonia. The pneumonia is what is killing people, I believe. This entire thing kicked off on December 26, 2019 when the first person walked into the Wuhan hospital with pneumonia. The next day 2-3 more people came in, and that's (according to what we know) the first time the doctor working at the time raised the flag to their local version of their Health Department, and it was immediately escalated to the Chinese version of the CDC.

 

Not every that gets it dies, but it seems like the vast majority of people that aren't winding up in the hospital are cases where the virus never made its way to the lower respiratory system.

 

So, yes, this crisis is revolving around what is essentially airborne pneumonia. Note: I may be wrong about that, this is not my field, it's just my understanding, and it's always possible i'm misremembering something...

 

I've seen some people complaining about the NBA players getting tested so easily... I think people still fundamentally misunderstand the testing situation. We do not have enough tests. We must reserve the tests for the most important cases - which seems to mostly be people that are already sick or have had direct contact with people who have been confirmed infected, with some leeway on others so long as they check all the boxes. Healthcare workers are also getting tests, because they need to protect the healthcare system or else everything is going to go to **** way harder than we thought, and way quicker.

 

It seems completely reasonable to me that a person that's flying around the country nearly every day, spending time in locker rooms with a lot of other people close by throughout the day, and then being in an arena with 10-30 thousand other people, that's been around someone confirmed sick... would qualify for jumping to the head of the line for testing.

 

Maybe it's just because they're rich, or because even richer people's money depends on them, but I think it's also reasonable to believe that there's just good justification for testing them at this point.

 

If 4 months from now testing hasn't improved, the nba has been shut down for 4 months, and NBA players are still getting tested when no one else is I'll jump right on the bandwagon that it's just the rich people getting yet another advantage over the rest of us.

 

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