BBC: China pneumonia outbreak: COVID-19 Global Pandemic

[China]

[Cooked Crack]

 

 

 

Lock them up

[China]

'It's a little selfish' | Loudoun County fears COVID-19 outbreak after teens returning from beach week test positive

 

Some residents in Loudoun County fear local cases of COVID-19 could rise because of a cluster of teenagers who contracted the virus during beach week. Parents told WUSA9 at least 20 students from Freedom High School in South Riding have contracted the virus.  

 

Loudoun County health officials said 150 people between the ages of 16 and 18 have tested positive for the virus in the last week, and roughly 100 had traveled to Myrtle Beach, South Carolina over the last two weeks.

 

"I was kind of shocked so many people had it," teen Ashley Shockley said. 

 

Abby Luck, a rising junior at Freedom High School, said she was invited to join a friend's family at the beach. Though she considered it, she ultimately turned down the invitation.  

"I’m so glad I didn’t go, because half those people in the house had ‘corona,' so all my friends had to get tested,” Luck said. 

 

Health officials said 383 Loudoun County residents tested positive last week alone. Jeff Bell, a local parent, fears that number could rise because of the cluster of students who returned from Myrtle Beach.   

 

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[LD0506]

On 6/30/2020 at 5:09 PM, FanboyOf91 said:

 

 

 

[Califan007 The Constipated]

 

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

2 hours ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

I’m predicting we hit 50,000 cases in one day for the first time today.

50,809 so far 😕

[CousinsCowgirl84]

... embers in the country sure is an interesting image.

[Springfield]

Fairfax County reported only 14 new cases today, and 0 deaths. Yesterday, we reported 10 new cases. I hope we keep trending this way.

[mistertim]

1 hour ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

... embers in the country sure is an interesting image.

 

If a record 50,000+ new cases in one day is just "embers" I'm sure as hell curious what those idiots would consider an actual fire.

 

I also love how Trump has now, after 130,000 deaths and a record number of new cases today, gone back to the well with "It will just magically disappear". 
 

[LadySkinsFan]

Wish I was back in Fairfax County. Terribly homesick.

[tshile]

Honestly I think we’ve reached a point new case numbers don’t matter. 
 

hospitalization rate is all they matters. 
 

early on it was like 30%. If it’s now 10% or even less then the numbers going up means even less. 

[Springfield]

5 minutes ago, tshile said:

Honestly I think we’ve reached a point new case numbers don’t matter. 
 

hospitalization rate is all they matters. 
 

early on it was like 30%. If it’s now 10% or even less then the numbers going up means even less. 

Hospitalization numbers have been low in Fairfax county as well. Mostly in the single digits for the last week or two. Considering that more and more people are being tested, I take this is a good sign.

 

Im hoping that things don’t start to fire back up as people get back to regular life.

[China]

3 minutes ago, tshile said:

Honestly I think we’ve reached a point new case numbers don’t matter. 
 

hospitalization rate is all they matters. 
 

early on it was like 30%. If it’s now 10% or even less then the numbers going up means even less. 

 

Not exactly.  If hospitalization rate was 30% when the case rate was 20,000 then that's 6,000.  If we hit 60,000 (we hit 50,000 today and seem to still be on the increase) at 10% that's still 6,000.  That would mean the hospitalization rate is flat (which of course is better than going up), but remember many people who aren't hospitalized have had symptoms linger and persist for months.  If case rates go up there will be a larger number of people with significant health problems, even if they aren't hospitalized.  You can keep going too, because many people have lost their jobs, and with it their health insurance so will have a difficult time paying for their increased healthcare needs.  There will be multi-level effects.

[Renegade7]

28 minutes ago, tshile said:

Honestly I think we’ve reached a point new case numbers don’t matter. 
 

hospitalization rate is all they matters. 
 

early on it was like 30%. If it’s now 10% or even less then the numbers going up means even less. 

 

I see why you say that, but I'm not convinced our health care system can handle 10% of country in the hospital at the same time, let alone 30%. 

 

That's why case number should matter, how quickly are folks getting sick at the same time, I thought the goal was to stop that best we could?

 

When folks say stuff like 98% are gonna be fine, 2% is still a lot of people when applied to something like 330 million.

 

Statistics drive me nuts because of context, honestly.

Edited July 2, 2020 by Renegade7

[dfitzo53]

 

[China]

Well now we'll never get Trump and his cronies to wear a mask...it's like free Viagra!

 

Covid patient suffers four-hour erection after coronavirus ‘triggered priapism and blood clots’

 

A MAN was left with an agonising four-hour erection after being infected with coronavirus doctors have warned.

 

The 62-year-old, from France, was in hospital being treated for severe Covid-19 when he started suffering with the condition - known as priapism.

 

Medics said it was caused by trapped blood in the penis, which they drained and discovered was full of blood clots.

 

Up to a third of Covid patients have been reported to have developed blood clotting or thrombosis as a result of the bug.

 

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[China]

Masks are now mandatory in all public spaces in Pennsylvania

 

Masks are now mandatory in all public spaces in Pennsylvania, Gov. Tom Wolf's administration announced Wednesday afternoon.

 

The new order, signed by Secretary of Health Dr. Rachel Levine, takes effect immediately.

 

“This mask-wearing order is essential to stopping the recent increase in COVID-19 cases we have seen in Pennsylvania,” Wolf said in a news release. “Those hot spots can be traced to situations where Pennsylvanians were not wearing masks or practicing social distancing – two practices that must be adhered to if we want to maintain the freedoms we have in place under our reopening.”

 

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[tshile]

8 hours ago, China said:

 

Not exactly. 

 

7 hours ago, Renegade7 said:

 

I see why you say that, but I'm not convinced our health care system can handle 10% of country in the hospital at the same time, let alone 30%. 

 

 

a lot has changed about what we know. Plus there’s a time factor. No we can’t handle 10% at one time but it isn’t going to be 10% at one time

 

for instance the viral load factor. 100k people with it now, with precautions people are taking, has a different impact than 100k people having it in say, March. When there were no precautions. 
 

Also more at risk people should be taking even more precautions now meaning they should be a lower % of the cases now. 

we also know a large % of people fall into the little or no symptoms category, and we don’t really know what % of the cases those people are now compared to March - we just know we can test more people now. For instance most of the nurses I know that got it recently simply had a mild headache and light fatigue for a week or so. Viral load matters and we know that now and we’re seeing it at work - more people now with lesser symptoms. 

 

treatment is also improved a bit once you are actually hospitalized

 

what I’m saying is that now, more than ever, there’s a lot of nuance to what’s going on and a simple graph of case numbers doesn’t mean a whole lot.  Treating case numbers now the same as we did back in March is being too simple. 
 

of course it would help if we could get 90%+ of the population to buy in on social distancing and masks instead of what we have now...

 

(I’m not in any way trying to minimize the issue of the virus I’m just trying to point out that things are different now than 4 months ago and throwing around graphs and new record high days isn’t really capturing that and the way people are reacting to it all isn’t really showing any understanding of that)

Edited July 2, 2020 by tshile

[tshile]

8 hours ago, Springfield said:

Hospitalization numbers have been low in Fairfax county as well. Mostly in the single digits for the last week or two. Considering that more and more people are being tested, I take this is a good sign.

It is a good sign. What matters is that the hospitals not be overloaded. And that’s what it means. 
 

the virus isn’t going away and we’re all going to get it. This magical vaccine path isn’t going to work. The timeline prohibits it. If we had better buy in as a country on masks and social distancing it could work. But I think we’ve shown that we don’t and won’t have that buy in. 
 

a more realistic path is majority of people get it before a vaccine can create herd immunity. Which means we need to focus on hospitals not being overloaded so people don’t die simply because they can’t get treatment. And it means we need to hope decreased viral load goes a long way to slowing the rate at which people get it and need hospitalization (and improves outcomes of those that do need hospitalization)

 

masks work. The data shows it. They work to slow the spread and they work to reduce the viral load. Which means the outcome of people as we move through rolling averages of case numbers should also be improving. Which means the severity of this is not what it was in March. 
 

which means it’s time for our precious media that loves to thump their chests about the public service they provide, wake up and realize it’s time to start covering this topic a little different than they did 4 months ago. 
 

(they won’t because they’re always a day late and a buck short when it matters)

 

Edited July 2, 2020 by tshile

[Fresh8686]

4 hours ago, tshile said:

It is a good sign. What matters is that the hospitals not be overloaded. And that’s what it means. 
 

the virus isn’t going away and we’re all going to get it. This magical vaccine path isn’t going to work. The timeline prohibits it. If we had better buy in as a country on masks and social distancing it could work. But I think we’ve shown that we don’t and won’t have that buy in. 
 

a more realistic path is majority of people get it before a vaccine can create herd immunity. Which means we need to focus on hospitals not being overloaded so people don’t die simply because they can’t get treatment. And it means we need to hope decreased viral load goes a long way to slowing the rate at which people get it and need hospitalization (and improves outcomes of those that do need hospitalization)

 

masks work. The data shows it. They work to slow the spread and they work to reduce the viral load. Which means the outcome of people as we move through rolling averages of case numbers should also be improving. Which means the severity of this is not what it was in March. 
 

which means it’s time for our precious media that loves to thump their chests about the public service they provide, wake up and realize it’s time to start covering this topic a little different than they did 4 months ago. 
 

(they won’t because they’re always a day late and a buck short when it matters)

 

 

I worry about how the above changes once kids are back in school and flu season comes back around. Then I also worry about the long term debilitating effects having this virus can cause in people and how they will be weaker the next time around if this virus does indeed come back every year. I'm still not clear in my understanding in how well people can fight off getting this virus once they've had it already, hopefully given the relatively low occurrence of mutation we might have some case for optimism?

There are so many different variables to consider, that has me worried that people are hoping for things to happen that just won't be the case.

[tshile]

40 minutes ago, Fresh8686 said:

There are so many different variables to consider, that has me worried that people are hoping for things to happen that just won't be the case.

Right

 

im not trying to make some statement about things aren’t bad or whatever

 

just saying there’s more to it than new case numbers at this point and I feel like people are only talking about case numbers still

[TD_washingtonredskins]

14 minutes ago, tshile said:

Right

 

im not trying to make some statement about things aren’t bad or whatever

 

just saying there’s more to it than new case numbers at this point and I feel like people are only talking about case numbers still

 

I agree. I think the current uproar that we're seeing when some states are reporting increase in cases is slightly disingenuous. We knew that once we started phases of reopening we'd see upticks. That was a given. In some ways, the fact that it's spreading now in obvious ways (beach week, crowded bars, etc.) should be even a little comforting. We predicted something and it's happening. 

 

The focus now needs to be on getting people to responsibly get back to some variation of their routines. In my opinion, things like mask mandates and capacity limits are the path forward. Not rolling back reopening phases in general. 

 

As a 43-year old father of two, I don't see the recent spike at Delaware beaches as a signal that I can't go to the beach later this month or in August. I see it as a signal that I need to do so safely and responsibly. Vary my normal schedule. Do the ocean more than a crowded pool. Eat on the beach rather than at a table on the boardwalk. Skip the arcade at night and take the kids onto the beach with glow-sticks instead. 

 

Like you mentioned, odds are we will all be exposed to it unless we literally all shut-in for the next 6 months. 

[Fresh8686]

18 minutes ago, tshile said:

Right

 

im not trying to make some statement about things aren’t bad or whatever

 

just saying there’s more to it than new case numbers at this point and I feel like people are only talking about case numbers still

 

I feel you and I wasn't meaning to imply that you were. I appreciate the nuance you brought to the subject of case numbers.

 

It just alarms the hell out of me, that this country is so lacking in operational discipline for the common good, that all we can hope for is 70% of the populating getting this for herd immunity or a vaccine in the near future. That leaves people like me and my wife having to be in near total lock-down for who knows how long while this plays out. It's exhausting having your life on the line every day while also dealing with previous issues that are hard enough to survive with as it is.

[TradeTheBeal!]

43 minutes ago, tshile said:

Right

 

im not trying to make some statement about things aren’t bad or whatever

 

just saying there’s more to it than new case numbers at this point and I feel like people are only talking about case numbers still

Let’s consider case numbers in this context...

 

Virginia is currently sitting at 50% ICU capacity and averaging 500 cases per day

Florida is currently at ~ 75-80%% ICU capacity and had over 10,000 cases just today.