The Official ES 2020 Free Agency Thread /Tracker... Kendall Fuller,OG Schweitzer, KP Louis, Thomas Davis, McKissic, TE Logan Thomas, OT Lucas, QB Kyle Allen (trd 5th Rd pick), RB P. Barber, LB Davis, Ronald Darby

[Koolblue13]

4 minutes ago, Number 44 said:

You're missing the elephant in the room, aren't you?

No, because I assume we are rolling with Heinicke, Allen and a rookie outside of the first round.

 

Also, every other thread is about that position and it's annoying AF, so why even bother with it now.

[CommDownMan]

13 hours ago, CTskin said:

and there are probably still some people here who believe the TW situation was ALL Bruce. Don’t get me wrong he was part of it, but it was 50/50 and Trent went as low as he could go to try to get more money out of this franchise. Couldn’t be happier to see the 9ers nose dive this year.

 

On the FA front, although I agree that we don’t NEED an AROB alpha across from terry, I think it would be a massive help. Look what teams did the second half of the season, only focused on shutting down terry... and they kind of who did. Who knows if this was due to Haskins and Alex’s inefficiency throwing down field, but our passing game was awful. Now I add another stud across from terry and this offense takes a step forward.

 

I’d love Curtis Samuel in the slot. I didn’t think we’d miss crowder as much as we do.

 

It was tough to tell, but nothing changed when we changed the medical staff, removed the Bruce, hired a new coach....

 

Bruce may have been the start of it all (that we may not really know), but clearly TW had plenty of fault when the dust settled.

[Number 44]

43 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

No, because I assume we are rolling with Heinicke, Allen and a rookie outside of the first round.

 

Also, every other thread is about that position and it's annoying AF, so why even bother with it now.

Well, if you think it isn't a hole, fine.  I'm just not sure that many would agree.

[Est.1974]

Might be worth keeping an eye on the Titans 2021 UFA’s
 

Player	Pos.	2020 Team	2021 Team	Type	Snaps ▾	Age	Current APY	Guarantees
Jonnu Smith	TE	Titans		UFA	69.5%	26	$793,978	$706,288
Corey Davis	WR	Titans		UFA	67.0%	26	$6,348,688	$25,394,750
Desmond King	CB	Titans		UFA	65.2%	27	$670,000	$280,000
DaQuan Jones	IDL	Titans		UFA	59.8%	30	$7,000,000	$14,000,000
Jayon Brown	LB	Titans		UFA	58.5%	26	$667,891	$271,564
Jack Crawford	IDL	Titans		UFA	42.4%	33	$1,187,500	$500,000
Ty Sambrailo	RT	Titans		UFA	38.5%	29	$1,600,000	$350,000
Jadeveon Clowney	EDGE	Titans		UFA	38.1%	28	$13,000,000	$11,500,000
Stephen Gostkowski	K	Titans		UFA	36.5%	37	$2,750,000	$500,000
Geoff Swaim	TE	Titans		UFA	32.9%	30	$910,000	$0
MyCole Pruitt	TE	Titans		UFA	24.3%	29	$2,500,000	$2,350,000
Matt Overton	LS	Titans		UFA	17.0%	36	$1,050,000	$0
Tye Smith	CB	Titans		UFA	14.9%	28	$825,000	$0
Will Compton	LB	Titans		UFA	11.0%	32	$910,000	$0
Marshall Newhouse	LT	Titans		UFA	1.6%	33	$1,050,000	$0
Nick Dzubnar	LB	Titans		UFA	1.0%	30	$1,047,500	$137,500
Senorise Perry	RB	Titans		UFA	0.2%	30	$990,000	$0
Daren Bates	LB	Titans		UFA	0.2%	31	$1,050,000	$0
Chris Milton	CB	Titans		UFA	0.0%	29	$910,000	$0

 

[Skinsinparadise]

Was listening to 980, Russell had a GB reporter who seems to be plugged in.  The reporter seem to suggest that he thinks we could be interested in Aaron Jones in FA. 

[RWJ]

4 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Was listening to 980, Russell had a GB reporter who seems to be plugged in.  The reporter seem to suggest that he thinks we could be interested in Aaron Jones in FA. 

I could see it.  GB is 29th in those teams with cap space for 2021 and Aaron Jones is the type of RB that would complement Turner's O.

[Skinsinparadise]

5 minutes ago, RWJ said:

I could see it.  GB is 29th in those teams with cap space for 2021 and Aaron Jones is the type of RB that would complement Turner's O.

 

Yep.  He's physical, he can catch, too.   I know the draft looks decent at RB but the thing that FA does for you is it opens things up for the draft.  

 

 

[JamesMadisonSkins]

15 minutes ago, RWJ said:

I could see it.  GB is 29th in those teams with cap space for 2021 and Aaron Jones is the type of RB that would complement Turner's O.

 

I could see this too. Not sure what the cost would be, assume it would be front-loaded and a 2 year deal in reality (given how these have gone lately).

 

There are some things that could really help improve this offense and I think two of them would be adding a high-quality RB (on the cheap) and a legit WR2. Draft an OT and you suddenly have the makings of an excellent supporting cast.

 

Jones + Gibson + McKissic + McLaurin + Samuel + Thomas would be real nice. Draft an OT in 1st round and WR in the 2nd TE in the 3rd and you have a very legitimate offensive support system. Just need that QB.

 

I think my favorite off-season would be:

Re-sign Scherff, Darby

Sign WR Curtis Samuel, RB Aaron Jones, LB Jayon Smith

 

Trade 2nd and 2022 2nd for Stafford

 

Draft Waddle at #19 and Walker Little or Jackson Carmen in the 3rd. Get a Safety if one falls with the other 3rd. LB in the 4th. CB in 5th.

 

Going into 2021 with McLaurin - Waddle - Samuel with Jones and Gibson in the backfield behind an OL that features the same guys from 2020 with the added depth of Charles and Walker Little to potentially groom for the future on the left side.

[RWJ]

14 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

 

I could see this too. Not sure what the cost would be, assume it would be front-loaded and a 2 year deal in reality (given how these have gone lately).

 

There are some things that could really help improve this offense and I think two of them would be adding a high-quality RB (on the cheap) and a legit WR2. Draft an OT and you suddenly have the makings of an excellent supporting cast.

 

Jones + Gibson + McKissic + McLaurin + Samuel + Thomas would be real nice. Draft an OT in 1st round and WR in the 2nd TE in the 3rd and you have a very legitimate offensive support system. Just need that QB.

 

I think my favorite off-season would be:

Re-sign Scherff, Darby

Sign WR Curtis Samuel, RB Aaron Jones, LB Jayon Smith

 

Trade 2nd and 2022 2nd for Stafford

 

Draft Waddle at #19 and Walker Little or Jackson Carmen in the 3rd. Get a Safety if one falls with the other 3rd. LB in the 4th. CB in 5th.

 

Going into 2021 with McLaurin - Waddle - Samuel with Jones and Gibson in the backfield behind an OL that features the same guys from 2020 with the added depth of Charles and Walker Little to potentially groom for the future on the left side.

If we can only get Mac Jones in the 1st then get him.  More realistic, LOT in the 1st, QB in the 2nd (hoping for Mac Jones or maybe a trade back up in the late 1st to get him, then TE with our next pick. 

[Ball Security]

32 minutes ago, RWJ said:

I could see it.  GB is 29th in those teams with cap space for 2021 and Aaron Jones is the type of RB that would complement Turner's O.

I’ve thought about Jones.  Normally, you’d think no way to high end FA RBs.  But when all teams do that, the market becomes less efficient.  He’s a great player.  It wouldn’t be my plan A, but it’s something to consider if his market isn’t hot and you can get out of the deal easily prior to ‘23.

[vegeta613]

20 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

 

Trade 2nd and 2022 2nd for Stafford

 

 

 

I agree with you on everything but this trade value, we traded a 3rd and fuller ( who was a 3rd rounder) for Alex smith 3 years ago and Alex was coming off one of the best seasons of his career and around the same age.  Two 3rds for Alex so why is Stafford two 2nds?

[Darth Tater]

9 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

I don't think we have that many holes. 

 

Glaring- WR2, MLB, WLB, FS

 

Upgradable- WR3, TE1, OT, RB

 

That is not a monumental hill to climb.

It is not glaring holes that worries me but the long term damage from the fail that almost always follows selling out for a free agent. A high end player who is allowed to hit FA by his team is  not likely to be as good as advertised. The FA signings that are great tend to be from signing guys who are not valued as highly as they should be (injury history, age or are not yet proven).

[Number 44]

10 minutes ago, vegeta613 said:

 

I agree with you on everything but this trade value, we traded a 3rd and fuller ( who was a 3rd rounder) for Alex smith 3 years ago and Alex was coming off one of the best seasons of his career and around the same age.  Two 3rds for Alex so why is Stafford two 2nds?

Man, people are all over the map on Stafford's trade value.  Two things jump out at me that say that the Lions will command more that two thirds for Stafford.  First, Detroit doesn't have someone ready to step in as Kansas City did in Mahomes.  Second, and most importantly, there seems to be a lot of demand out there for a good veteran QB like Stafford, notably the Indianapolis Colts and New England Patriots.  My first thought when I saw the proposed two second rounders price was, frankly, that the market price may actually be higher.  If we can get Stafford for two thirds, that would be amazing, IMO.  Heck, I think two seconds would be really good.  My best guess is that after all is said and done, if Detroit trades Stafford, they will probably getting a first round pick in return, at a minimum.

[Koolblue13]

4 hours ago, Number 44 said:

Well, if you think it isn't a hole, fine.  I'm just not sure that many would agree.

Okay pal. I didn't say it was or wasn't, just that that talk can stay in the QB threads. 

19 minutes ago, Darth Tater said:

It is not glaring holes that worries me but the long term damage from the fail that almost always follows selling out for a free agent. A high end player who is allowed to hit FA by his team is  not likely to be as good as advertised. The FA signings that are great tend to be from signing guys who are not valued as highly as they should be (injury history, age or are not yet proven).

I think I'm mixed on this opinion. In general, yes. A player like ARob for example. He's had bad QB play and still put up great numbers. He's going to be one of the top paid WRs in the league and part of that is the assumption that in a different system, with a different QB, he is going to blow up, but it's possible that he's already maxed out his potential and was exceeding it. 

 

OTOH, a player like Simmons or David who are solid vets and you know what they bring to the team. A lot of it will be intangibles, being the oldest players on such a young team, but their play is going to be consistent and slowly drop off.

 

I don't like the high end boom or bust signings like an ARob. I'd rather sign 2 younger guys without the production and let everyone compete. Curtis Samuel and Corey Davis as an example. I know this is generally the cheap Bruce move, but in this instance, I like it. 

[Est.1974]

Every chance we add a QB,RB,WR and TE. 
 

I suspect the evaluation is over. It’s time to go up a level.

[HigSkin]

I posted this in another thread but Hog Haven's perspective on a mock offseason.

Washington Football Team 2021 Mock Off-Season

2021 Salary Cap:

Based upon the NFLPA’s agreement with the league, the 2021 salary cap can not go below $175M, but recent projections have the cap at $195M(how you ask me...IDK).

 

So, I’m going to go on the high side of this projection and assume we see a $190M salary cap for the new league year.

 

Given this, the Washington Football Team should have around $55M(give or take a few million) in cap space.

 

Cuts/Retirements:

I agree with Bill, that we will see Alex Smith announcing his retirement within the next few weeks, clearing roughly an extra $14.5M in cap space for 2021 - and more in 2022($21M).

 

*Projected New Cap Space: $69.5M

 

Re-signing our own:

 

Fortunately, one of the big off-season pieces, center Chase Roullier, has been locked up for the foreseeable future. However, there are a few more key soon-to-be unrestricted free agents that the Football Team should re-sign.

 

- Chase Roullier(already done): 4 years, $40.5M($2.2M cap hit in 2021)

- Brandon Scherff: 4 years, $62M($8M cap hit in 2021)

- Ronald Darby: 3 years, $27M($4M cap hit in 2021)

 

ERFA:

- Kyle Allen - Original round tender($850k)

- Cam Sims - Original round tender(Unknown)

 

*Projected New Cap Space: $54M

 

2021 Key Free Agent Acquisitions:

- Allen Robinson(CHI) WR 6’3” 211 Age 27: 3 years, $60M($7M cap hit in 2021)

- Anthony Walker Jr.(IND) ILB 6’1” 238 Age 26: 3 years, $27M($5M cap hit in 2021)

- Jayon Brown(TEN) LB 6’0” 228 Age 26: 3 years, $18M($3M cap hit in 2021)

- Gerald Everett(LAR) TE 6’3” 240 Age 27: 2 year, $12M($6M cap hit in 2021)

 

Acquired Via Trade:

Washington sends a 2021 1st round pick and 2022 3rd round pick to the Lions for Matt Stafford.

- Matt Stafford(DET) QB 6’3” 220 Age 33: 2 year, $43M($20M cap hit in 2021)

 

*Projected New Cap Space: $13M

 

2021 NFL Draft:

Round 1: Traded to Lions

Round 2: Teven Jenkins OT Oklahoma State - Massive, easy-mover with a bit of a nasty steak who can project at either offensive tackle spot in the NFL. Would be best suited in a zone scheme.

Round 3: Elijah Moore WR Ole Miss - Moore is an explosive, tough, run-after-the-catch slot receiver who can thrive in an offense like Scott Turner’s who utilizes a lot of crossers and choice routes.

Round 3: Elijah Molden CB Washington - Uber-athletic corner with smooth hips and good closing speed who can play either on the outside or in the slot.

Round 4: Baron Browning LB Ohio State - Many view him as a downhill thumper with special teams ability due to some hip stiffness and lack of awareness in zone coverage.

Round 6: Peyton Hendershot TE Indiana - Ron and company take a shot on a talented, yet troubled(arrested for domestic violence) tight end.

Round 7: Xavier Henderson S Michigan State - Developmental safety prospect who will need to make his mark on special teams.

*First four rounds were done using TDN’s Mock Draft Simulator

 

 

2021 Projected Starting Lineups:

Offense:

QB - Matt Stafford

RB - Antonio Gibson

WR - Allen Robinson

WR - Terry McLaurin

Slot - Elijah Moore(R)

TE - Logan Thomas/Gerald Everett

LT - Cornelius Lucas/Teven Jenkins(R)

LG - Wes Schweitzer/Saahdiq Charles

C - Chase Roullier

RG - Brandon Scherff

RT - Morgan Moses

 

Defense:

EDGE - Chase Young

DT - Jonathan Allen/Matt Ioannidis

DT - Daron Payne

EDGE - Montez Sweat

MIKE - Anthony Walker Jr.

SAM - Cole Holcomb

WILL - Jayon Brown

CB - Kendall Fuller

CB - Ronald Darby

Nickle - Jimmy Morland/Elijah Molden(R)

S - Landon Collins

S - Kamren Curl

[HigSkin]

 

[PartyPosse]

There is nothing I’m more against than paying a FA RB huge money. Find one example in the last 20 years that worked.

[Koolblue13]

37 minutes ago, HigSkin said:

 

We're building a team of players that want to be on our team and want to be a part of something special. I can't see anyone who wants to be a part of that trying to rake the team over the coals to do it. That's good culture.

[CTskin]

awesome to see mutual interest btwn Darby and the team. He’s by far my top priority re-sign.
 

Hard no to Aaron jones. Every rb in Gb was excellent this year... could it perhaps have a bit to do with the threat of Aaron rodgers? Idk what he’s asking, I assume it’s in the eight figures per year range, I’m way out.

[bakedtater1]

I dont like the sounds of trading our first pick to the lions for stafford. Use that pick on a lb or wr

[drowland]

2 hours ago, PartyPosse said:

There is nothing I’m more against than paying a FA RB huge money. Find one example in the last 20 years that worked.

Edgerin James had a couple good years in AZ.  Thomas Jones was highly productive for the Bears and Jets.  Granted he started out as a bust in AZ and then exploded later on which is rare.  

[Diesel Hog]

Should the team make a play for Deshaun Watson?

[CommDownMan]

5 hours ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

 

I could see this too. Not sure what the cost would be, assume it would be front-loaded and a 2 year deal in reality (given how these have gone lately).

 

These give decent reasoning and has a few comparables with other 2017 draftees.  I'm not sure if that is the way I'd go at 11.5 APY (if in the ballpark).

 

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2021-free-agency-top-100-free-agents

44. RB Aaron Jones

Jones is one of the league’s best running backs, but like all backs, he is heavily dependent on his environment. Jones has been running behind an impressive offensive line and catching passes from Aaron Rodgers, neither of which may be true with his next team.

Jones has four straight seasons with a PFF rushing grade of 79.0 or higher, and he ranks fourth in receiving grade among running backs since the start of the 2019 season, behind only Austin Ekeler, Christian McCaffrey and Alvin Kamara, each of whom has had a big payday in large part because of that skill.

Jones is a well-rounded threat at the position and a player with little in the way of weaknesses. He has also been kept relatively fresh by Green Bay’s use of a committee approach to their backfield, so should still have tread left on the tires.

Contract Analysis: Jones watched this offseason as fellow 2017 draftees Joe Mixon ($12M APY), Dalvin Cook ($12.6M APY), Alvin Kamara ($15M APY) and Christian McCaffrey ($16M APY) signed huge deals. Green Bay was smart to hold off, and we’d be surprised if Jones is a Packer in 2021.

Prediction: Dolphins sign Jones for four years, $46 million ($11.5M APY): $25 million total guaranteed, $15.5 million fully guaranteed at signing.

[PartyPosse]

1 hour ago, drowland said:

Edgerin James had a couple good years in AZ.  Thomas Jones was highly productive for the Bears and Jets.  Granted he started out as a bust in AZ and then exploded later on which is rare.  

James was significantly worse in Arizona. He just got a lot of carries but he averaged under 4 a carry which is brutally bad. Jones signed a deal for 2.5 a season. Neither moved the needle. 
 

Point is it doesn’t happen. Zeke’s signing was bad, Leveon Bell... rarely do RBs shelf life extend beyond their rookie deal.