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1 hour ago, FedEx Nosebleed said:

Contrast the Nationals, from 2005 through 2012 when they first made the playoffs, with the Redskins of the Snyder era.  They introduced a kid-friendly mascot, Screech.  They introduced kids run the bases on Sunday afternoon games.  They have an affordable Nats Kids Club.  When they built the new stadium, they built a literal playground into the outfield.  They give away a ton of discount tickets to local little leagues, boy scout troops, girl scout troops, youth soccer teams, etc. etc.  They empower their stadium staff to eject, promptly, unruly fans who drink too much and keep the environment from being family friendly.   What's the result?

 

You have parents who, starting in 2005, were comfortable bringing kids from 2 years old on up to the games. The 2 year olds of 2005 are 17 now, and buying their own tickets to games with their friends. 

 

And somehow Nationals attendance dropped by 2,000 fans a game from 2017 to 2019. So, piss on that theory, I guess.

 

The general problem is this: All teams in all sports are facing issues with attendance, viewership, etc. I'm sure you can cite positive numbers for the Ravens, but the Ravens also are literally running the most exciting offense in NFL history at this moment in time.

 

I'm not sure any teams in any sport are really building the generational bonds that you once saw in DC (and elsewhere). I don't know if young Yankee fans are going to seven or eight home games a year and are planning on doing that with their children and their children's children.

 

The Skins problems are exacerbated by the toxicity at the top of the organization. But it's still a large, rich region so any team that succeeds here will see a payoff at the box office. "Just win, baby" is really all that matters.

 

Now, are you ever going to see four generations tailgating before a game again? Probably not. I'm not even sure those humans exist to fill that role.

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I'm not sure how much of this is done at other NFL stadiums, but something that they do at Nats Park and other venues is for attendants to police folks to wait until a legit break in the action before heading back to their seats. I know you cant police folks going FROM their seats, but at least doing it on one end is helpful. The number of inconsiderate people who wait until the QB is under center to get up to get their next $10 beer is mind blowing.

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This is what I predicted (feared) would happen.  But will see.  Everything that I've read about the stadium pursuit gave me the impression that Bruce-Dan ran it as incompetent as everything else they do and thought they'd wind up with the Fedex land versus landing elsewhere.

 

At Fedex, you don't have to chase any land.  All you got to do then is just build the stadium.  I think Dan has his hands full enough building a stadium let alone him having the savvy to know how to build the political capital to secure the land. 

 

If a new stadium is happening to open in 2027-2028, it needs to start moving. 

 

Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder urged Maryland legislative leaders on Tuesday to allow gambling at a future Redskins stadium in the state, according to three lawmakers who attended the meetings.

Sen. Guy J. Guzzone (D-Howard), the chairman of the Senate Budget and Taxation Committee, said Snyder met with him, Senate President Bill Ferguson (D-Baltimore City) and three other Senate leaders and pushed for a potential stadium he would build to get a license if Maryland legalizes betting on professional sports teams and contests.

“They are interested in the sports betting stuff,” Guzzone said. “It’s a long lineup of people who are interested.”

 

In one meeting, people who attended said, Snyder conditioned keeping the team in Maryland on the ability to offer sports betting at a new stadium. Two people said they understood Snyder to be suggesting he would rebuild at the FedEx location.

 

....One senator, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss one of the private meetings, said he was slightly caught off guard by Snyder’s proposal to include sports betting at the stadium facility, especially since the NFL has been slow to embrace sports gambling.

 

“It was the first time it crossed my mind that the stadiums would have any interest,” the senator said. “I was surprised to think, given the history of professional sports and gambling, they would do it within the same venue.”

A delegate — also speaking on the condition of anonymity because the discussions were private — said Snyder is concerned that not having the gambling license would hurt his ability to compete in the region.

 

...Snyder “does see that as part of his vision if he is to remain in Maryland,” the lawmaker said. “He is willing to build his own stadium, but he wants sports betting to be a part of that.”

The lawmaker said Snyder made a “veiled threat” to go to Virginia if he does not get a license.

 

“It wasn’t too high-pressured,” the lawmaker said of the discussion. “Most of the people in the room were Ravens fans, so it sort of fell on deaf ears.”

Another attendee summed up the Redskins owner’s message as: “If you don’t give it, I’m leaving. If you give it, maybe I’ll stay.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/daniel-snyder-wants-legalized-gambling-at-a-future-redskins-stadium-in-maryland/2020/01/21/7104b0ee-3ca9-11ea-8872-5df698785a4e_story.html

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As a return to the old RFK Stadium site for the Redskins seems less likely, Washington owner Dan Snyder appears to be moving forward with a new plan: Staying in Maryland but adding a gambling license. 

Snyder met with a number of Maryland lawmakers to discuss sports betting and acquiring a license for a new Redskins stadium, according to The Washington Post. The report contends Snyder wants to use "sports betting as part of an overall plan to build a domed stadium that could include hotels, offices and training facilities."

The story also suggests Snyder could build the stadium with his own money. 

The Redskins currently play their games in Maryland at FedEx Field and their lease runs through 2027. The stadium is dated and Snyder has openly talked about wanting a new facility for his team to play.

 

 

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32 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Building on the FedEx site....where? As in destroying FedEx Field as we know it, playing games somewhere else for years, and rebuilding right on site?  I don't get it.

Examples in the past 20 or so years that come to mind building stadiums right next to the existing one include (I think) Atlanta, New York, New England, and Denver. I think Minnesota's new place is at the same spot as the Metrodome, which made playing at the college stadium for a couple years necessary. 

 

Of course I'm not sure about the mass transit options at those facilities, other than NY, which is fairly close and pretty robust. NE drops you off pretty close too, but not sure how limited the service is. As we all know, Metro is a mile walk from FedEx, so I think they'd have to reconsider the use of shuttles from Morgan Blvd and other stations.

 

Or they could do a Chargers and play at Audi for a couple years. Wonder if DC would even allow the Redskins into the city temporarily?  The current low demand for the team doesn't make that as laughable as one would think! Or, what about wherever the Terps play is called now?

 

I still think they'll work something out with DC and build at RFK after the old stadium is demolished next year. 

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20 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Building on the FedEx site....where? As in destroying FedEx Field as we know it, playing games somewhere else for years, and rebuilding right on site?  I don't get it.

 

In Florida they renovated Dolphins stadium years back as opposed to building a new one.  Stadium effort was successful there for the Marlins but they couldn't get a full fledge stadium funding wise for the Dolphins.   

 

I saw the Redskins play the Giants at the Meadowlands years back and right next to the Meadowlands  (maybe 300 yards or so away) at the time the Giants were building a new stadium which resulted in Metlife.

 

So am guessing A or B.  If I were Dan it's bad enough to be stuck in that location so no way I'd renovate Fedex.  I'd build a spanking new one and hope its so cool that it will make it easier to overcome the location. 

 

At the very least it showed that our boy Bruce was continually Bsing about how close they were about securing a stadium, his last comment on it was it would be announced this year.  Yeah right.  If they were that close, Dan wouldn't be talking about hypothetically doing this versus that.   

 

 

 

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40 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Building on the FedEx site....where? As in destroying FedEx Field as we know it, playing games somewhere else for years, and rebuilding right on site?  I don't get it.

 

 

This is where i'm at.  The only places they could even field a game would be University of Maryland (no chance), or Audi Field, which can't handle the crowd.  Attendance cap there is not enough.  

 

My assumption is they can't use the same site, but they move closer to the National Harbor area.  There's some random guy messaging the Junkies saying that he's seen the plans for them to tear down RFK and rebuild, but I've also heard from someone who I know would at least have an idea of what's going on... that the current plans are PG county.. but not the Fedex Field site. 

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Seriously Dan, seriously? Ugghhhh......... I knew that feeling of hope from Rivera & Co. wouldn't last forever but dammit, I thought I'd make it through January.....

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" . The Redskins under Allen became an unlikable team ......"

I assume you mean Bruce, not George.

My question to thread author is, Why would you want to turn kids off at a young age to NFL football? One trip to Fed Ex would do it.  Giving the stuff away is not going to make a difference because the kids don't pay anyway.  Maybe if you gave parents a free ride for the whole family it would work but its still messing up a perfectly good Sunday afternoon. Also, there is no such thing as free anything.The "free" game would probably cost a hundred bucks before its over.

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I think Dan's options are pretty limited. DC at the old RFK site is almost out of the question due to it being fed land and only leased for another 10 years, If something were to be done there it would have to be now.

If dan is serious about a casino/sports book then the national harbor is probably out of the question since there's already a casino there.

 

so that leaves 2 options imo, either the current site (which sucks) or Dulles.

Personally I think Dulles would be a great spot, the only problem being that it is so far away from downtown. But there is metro service, tons of land, and infrastructure to get there (VA would make a killing on the greenway on gamedays)

Dan would have the land to build a casino, hotel, resturants/businesses etc. and the infrastructure to support it would all already be in place. They could hold concerts year round (people fly in, stay right there for the concert at the convenient Redskins Hotel) and it would be far removed from the ghetto area that surrounds Fedex field currently, which should serve to attract businesses/stores.

 

It COULD be a really viable/exciting project. VA won't fund it though, so it would have to be on danny.. and I don't know if he's got the liquidity for a 2 billion dollar stadium plus the casino he wants.

 

 

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If Dan really has a hardon for a gambling license, he ought to just establish a venue for it apart from the team. It might give him something new n shiny to play with so the Skins can heal....

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2 hours ago, LD0506 said:

Seriously Dan, seriously? Ugghhhh......... I knew that feeling of hope from Rivera & Co. wouldn't last forever but dammit, I thought I'd make it through January.....

 

Really? I like that he can throw himself into this stadium deal and focus on that. Wherever they end up, to me it doesn't matter where they play, other than having a homefield advantage again someday. Upside to being an out of state fan I guess.

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Gambling at the stadium?  What a bad idea.  I mean, outside of the fact that going to see a Redskins game is already like gambling.  You know you are going to lose, you know you are throwing away money, you kind of hope irrationally for a win, but in the end you just go home dejected and wondering why you did that, again.  

 

The gameday experience is currently awful, and fans are getting more angry, drunk, and unruly by the year.  Its already definitely not a family atmosphere, now you throw in gambling and you are going to completely rule out families and end up with more anger, more drinking, and more just generally bad behavior.  Gambling at a football stadium full of tough times and beer just seems like a really bad combination, and more money grubbing from a guy who is just delusional.

 

You know what a reasonable person does, when realizing hes just about lost an entire younger generation of fans?  Works to get them into the stadium, for free or cheap, like the Orioles are doing, knowing that if you make a kid a fan at age 5, he will be a fan for life.  You know what you dont do?  Turn your stadium into a place kids cant go, where its just adults.  Because in 10-20 years those adults will be gone, and there will be no younger generation to replace them.

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Hope the state of Maryland will not buy into the Danny's non-sense.   If he cannot build a new stadium then he would be forced to sell the team down the road.

All local jurisdictions need to turn him down completely.   So picture a typical loyal Skins fan say 25 years old.  He goes to the game and has a few beers and

Skins lose the game so meanwhile before the game he places three bets on other teams who also lose and then he pays for parking at the stadium and the tickets  for he and his son, and buys some food.   He gets home and now he is disgusted with himself and has lost $1000.00 for that Sunday.   His wife the following week sees the money is gone from the joint checkbook and tells him that was his last game for the season or worse she does not see the money spent.  Then he returns for the remaining home games and at the end of the season he has lost close to $10k in bets, food, drinks, tickets, parking, etc. and now he feels completely defeated and disgusted with himself.

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Just curious.....do people in this thread having issues with the gambling aspect share the same concerns about its impending presence at the sporting venues currently within DC?

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I wonder if Dan has cleared this gambling thing with the league, because last I checked the NFL still has huge reservations about being directly associated with sports betting--despite the Las Vegas Raiders and looking the other way at third-party sports betting.

 

The current smart money seems to be on developing an 'entertainment complex' around a new stadium as a way of countering the problem of NFL stadiums only being used a handful of days each year. That's a problem for Dan, because the options on the table (including RFK) won't work well for that. Anacostia, Landover and Dulles-ish are not good sites for entertainment destinations.

 

If a suitable plot was available, National Harbor would be where I'd choose to go. Dan could build onto something that's already a destination. Otherwise, he needs to find a Metro-accessible location that has destination-appeal across the entire area (i.e., not in the middle of a quiet suburb or way the heck beyond the Beltway).

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18 minutes ago, veteranskinsfan said:

Hope the state of Maryland will not buy into the Danny's non-sense.   If he cannot build a new stadium then he would be forced to sell the team down the road.

All local jurisdictions need to turn him down completely.   So picture a typical loyal Skins fan say 25 years old.  He goes to the game and has a few beers and

Skins lose the game so meanwhile before the game he places three bets on other teams who also lose and then he pays for parking at the stadium and the tickets  for he and his son, and buys some food.   He gets home and now he is disgusted with himself and has lost $1000.00 for that Sunday.   His wife the following week sees the money is gone from the joint checkbook and tells him that was his last game for the season or worse she does not see the money spent.  Then he returns for the remaining home games and at the end of the season he has lost close to $10k in bets, food, drinks, tickets, parking, etc. and now he feels completely defeated and disgusted with himself.

I think "he" needs to learn some self control, you could literally do a hypothetical for anything. 

 

I guy and his son go to McDonalds 3-4 times a day to bond and they really like it. After a couple of months they are overweight, unhealthy and unable to enjoy life, we should close all McDonalds down they are ruining families. 

 

Also, I dont think sports gambling should be at the stadium, as I see lots of negatives, I just dont like the argument that because someone might not be able to handle it nobody should be able to do it. 

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TBH, I dont know how the logistics of sports betting works these days. My understanding is that MD is putting it on the ballot in 2020. Also, I think a lot of states that have legalized sports betting allow bets to be made via mobile devices. Doesn't that mean that you are able to place a bet from pretty much anywhere in the state?

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DC makes the most sense because it is a Washington football team, but seems like that is not happening, partially due to the ridiculous name, which he is so damn in love with. 

 

If it is going to be in Maryland, then National Harbor is the best location. It has great views of DC, the water and the town center itself is beautiful especially with MGM there. Landover/FedEx Field is just so damn boring and that would be a terrible decision (at least currently).  It's just a bunch of trees and a broken down mall nearby right?

 

Virginia has tons of positives if you build it out west. Rich county, with an abundance of land, Dulles Airport, the metro, 66, Toll Road, and 50 go out that way. Maryland is Raven country now. If DC doesn't work, at least VA will accept you. Make a huge complex with the training facility there too. 

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, profusion said:

I wonder if Dan has cleared this gambling thing with the league, because last I checked the NFL still has huge reservations about being directly associated with sports betting--despite the Las Vegas Raiders and looking the other way at third-party sports betting.

 

The current smart money seems to be on developing an 'entertainment complex' around a new stadium as a way of countering the problem of NFL stadiums only being used a handful of days each year. That's a problem for Dan, because the options on the table (including RFK) won't work well for that. Anacostia, Landover and Dulles-ish are not good sites for entertainment destinations.

 

If a suitable plot was available, National Harbor would be where I'd choose to go. Dan could build onto something that's already a destination. Otherwise, he needs to find a Metro-accessible location that has destination-appeal across the entire area (i.e., not in the middle of a quiet suburb or way the heck beyond the Beltway).

 

 

I believe draftkings is the primary sponsor for the Superbowl... 

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A casino/stadium combination is not the craziest idea I've ever heard. I do find it hard to believe that the NFL has already signed off on this though.

 

I guess it also triggers the question, "How many gambling options does the DC/Baltimore region need?"

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1 hour ago, OVCChairman said:

 

 

I believe draftkings is the primary sponsor for the Superbowl... 

 

I didn't know that. Well, "go big money!!", I guess. It's true that in-house betting is a big thing in the English Premier League.

 

It still doesn't make a lot of sense for Dan to make "or else" demands of the MD legislature unless he has another site in his back pocket. Maybe he does?

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13 hours ago, LD0506 said:

Seriously Dan, seriously? Ugghhhh......... I knew that feeling of hope from Rivera & Co. wouldn't last forever but dammit, I thought I'd make it through January.....

 

Its like he's actually trying to lose fans.  

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11 hours ago, dyst said:

  It's just a bunch of trees and a broken down mall nearby right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

The closest attraction to FedEx field is probably Six Flags Amusement park 

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