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Press Release: STATEMENT BY WASHINGTON #REDSKINS OWNER DAN SNYDER-BRUCE ALLEN FIRED

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1 hour ago, FrFan said:

"significant say" doesn't mean final say, it seems that danny boy is still sticking his fingers in the pie

 

I don't see the problem here. Who wants the GM reporting to the HC? I think if Rivera doesn't want a guy as GM, that guy isn't going to get the gig. Having his opinion on who he can work best with would be a best case scenario.

 

Look, even when Bobby Bethard and Joe Gibbs had a disagreement, JKC was the final say. None of us really want Snyder being having to make a lot of those decisions if Rivera and a GM disagree. I can't see him doing the JKC pointing at them and saying "You better be right". 

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1 hour ago, @SkinsGoldPants said:

Look, even when Bobby Bethard and Joe Gibbs had a disagreement, JKC was the final say. None of us really want Snyder being having to make a lot of those decisions if Rivera and a GM disagree. I can't see him doing the JKC pointing at them and saying "You better be right". 

Really?  I could absolutely see that. :)  

 

I have said for ages that I don't think the HC should report to the GM, and the GM shouldn't report to the HC.  At least, the HC shouldn't report to the person with player picking responsibilities.  

 

I see the two roles as equally important, with different skill sets, and both have to be be successful or both will fail.  Therefore I prefer them working as a team together, instead of as a hierarchy. Ideally for another, higher level football exec.  If the owner has the football accumen, that's fine.  If not, a team president or EVP of football ops or something like that. 

 

There are plenty who see the GM/player picker as more important.  I see the roster construction and the coaching as equally important, and I've always said you could evaluate the job of roster construction and coaching separately. 

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1 hour ago, -JB- said:

Reports saying Eric Schaffer out.

 

 

https://riggosrag.com/2019/12/31/report-vp-football-ops-eric-schaffer-will-leave-redskins-in-may/

 

Never understood fans clamoring for him to run the front office.  He has been a part of this mess for the past 17 seasons.

 

 

Agreed but seemed very competent in cap strategy and contract negotiations.  There was speculation a couple years ago he might take his brain to NFL league offices.  I doubt he'd stay on in existing role and be under Ron. 

 

To me if he was let go due to Dan placating Ron then that shows me Dan means business in this rebuild of the org if he's willing to sack Bruce, Hess, and league wide respected Schaeffer.  That is refreshing that Dan is willing to go that far for Rivera, instead of previous band aids or removing one or 1 piece when multiples were warranted for true change for the better.  It gives me some hope for the future. 

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2 hours ago, @SkinsGoldPants said:

 

I think if Rivera doesn't want a guy as GM, that guy isn't going to get the gig.

 

You're implying that Rivera has final say, while I implied Snyder will have final say as he always had, whether Rivera likes it or not. I would have promoted Schaffer to GM and then select the HC.

 

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28 minutes ago, FrFan said:

You're implying that Rivera has final say, while I implied Snyder will have final say as he always had, whether Rivera likes it or not. I would have promoted Schaffer to GM and then select the HC.

 

I would say it's most along the lines of not frustrating the new sheriff in town you hardly fought to get.

 

Rivera probably not have final say over this matter, but since you just got him, you might as well please him with a GM that will work with him accordingly. Otherwise, it'd be really dumb and stupid...

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3 minutes ago, Wildbunny said:

 dumb and stupid...

Reminds me a couple of guys :rolleyes:;)

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9 hours ago, Califan007 said:

Not sure why that's a problem. The topic being discussed was very specific: why aren't the Skins doing things the "right" way and hiring the GM first and then letting them hire the head coach. So you have to go back and review all the times both positions needed to be filled at the same time. Reviewing past instances where the GM is already in place when the head coach is hired (or the head coach is already in place when the GM is hired) adds zero insight into that scenario because it doesn't involve the same type of decisions that need to be made by team presidents and/or owners.

 

The main point I wanted to see is, just how out-of-the-ordinary was it for the Skins to be hiring a new HC before hiring their new GM, since it was being described on one side as absolutely the wrong way to do it and by the other side as being a rather regular occurrence across the NFL. It muddies up the data by including any other scenarios than the one being discussed.


Oh no, I totally understood what you were getting at and the topic you were addressing. I was just trying to put it in the nicest way I could, but I’ll be blunt now, I think the topic is a useless one and the data unimportant.  Also, because it came after my post in which I wasn’t addressing that specifically, but was addressing VOR’s point of “there’s no reason in the world it has to happen that way”, I felt like it was important for me to clarify and expand on it. 
 

So my issue was actually with the specificity of the topic itself. 
 

Here’s the thing. 
 

You could’ve just asked me if it ever actually happens in the NFL. Instead of all that tedious work, I would’ve told you sure it does. :) 
 

The main point, however, is when many of us are talking about the “right way it’s done”, what we’re looking for is the ideal - the best way to do it. Not if it’s done another way at times or not. 
 

Now, I do understand that some have the idea that we’re the only team doing it like that, so I guess you can address that, but forgive me for thinking that’s not only a massive waste of time but also pretty insignificant to the bottom line. 
 

The problem with just addressing this topic alone and presenting that data is it can give people a sense that the ideal is being reached when it’s not necessarily. In fact, if you were to look at most (not all) of the posters who “liked” your post, they are among those who downplay the organizational roles and structure most conducive to success often and even, admittedly, don’t really care much about the GM position. That’s the problem with it, whether you meant that to happen or not. 
 

So contextualizing that data is vital. You choosing to present it to address that specific topic is the issue itself, for me.

 

I believe, for instance, were we to ask the owners/execs who ended up hiring the way they did, they’d even tell you it wasn’t ideal but that it’s necessary because of the reality of GM contracts running through the draft. Some just wait and make those changes in May, others just say screw it and choose from a limited pool, perhaps out of fear they don’t get their desired candidates after waiting. 
 

Just based on that, you could actually argue that the data you presented is evidence it is the “right way”, since even with that hindrance of GM contracts you still have many being hired first. 

 

Either way, it’s important to contextualize it. Just saying “it happens in the NFL” really isn’t significant in any meaningful way. 
 

I hope that clarifies where I’m coming from. You might not care, and you’re not wrong about the data addressing that specific issue, but that’s the problem itself for me. :) 

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Bruce is gone, phase one complete. Everyone should hold Daniel Snyder accountable for our current state and not let him slide because this looks like he’s finally made the right step. He’s done this before, he’ll do it again.

 

I won’t dispute Rivera is a good hire. I will dispute and state unequivocally that this ain’t even close to good enough and if you’re letting Daniel Snyder off the hook now you’ll be just as disappointed 3-5 years from now. More needs to be done. Satisfaction with what’s happening, hearing people are now buying season tickets and wearing their gear is disappointing; it’s lip service accepted and applauded.

 

A full overhaul should be the goal. Not just with administration, with everything. Do not let Daniel Snyder keep the money. He needs to reinvest in more than just the team and his yacht. He needs to provide a better facility, a better stadium, a better experience. He needs to actually be seeking a viable and well thought out venue for a better stadium that fits with modern concepts. Only then will he actually be doing his job. You know, the job he so desperately wanted; to own the Washington Redskins. To now, if he could have been fired, he would have been fired.

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15 hours ago, FrFan said:

You're implying that Rivera has final say, while I implied Snyder will have final say as he always had, whether Rivera likes it or not. I would have promoted Schaffer to GM and then select the HC.

 

 

I don't imply. I'm saying that I'm hopeful whoever is "GM" is somebody the Coach and the Owner both agree they can work with.... because the owner wants to try building a good culture.

 

Schaffer is a money/contracts wizard. GM would never be a good spot. Team President? Sure. But running the scouting stuff. That's not his specialty. I hope he stays in the org with a role he likes fits him.

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I swear some Redskins fans just want to be miserable, Chris Russell started his show today saying what if Bruce is still in Dan's ear and some lady just called saying she thinks he's still around. Come on people, the guy did what you wanted, if you think the scumbag is still hanging around just stop rooting for the team!

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Pat Kirwin on the radio, SeriusXM, today just said pretty much exactly what I've been saying all along. He's also coincidentally a guy who talks to Bruce Allen on air from time to time.

 

He said (paraphrasing) that while Redskins fans are excited that Allen is gone there is one guy still there (meaning Dan Snyder) and nobody knows how much of the stuff we are all blaming on Bruce was actually dieected from DS.

 

So while things are changing, what really has changed?

 

We will see over the next few years. I'm not expecting much until I see that alot more has changed other than just the HC and his staff.

 

Unlike Shanahan, and Gruden, and Zorn, I actually think that Rivera and Del Rio can definitely be winning coaches. What about the rest of the FO though? Is Dan still going to be playing his behind the scenes Jerry Jones act?

 

 

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3 minutes ago, SkinsFTW said:

Pat Kirwin on the radio, SeriusXM, today just said pretty much exactly what I've been saying all along. He's also coincidentally a guy who talks to Bruce Allen on air from time to time.

 

He said (paraphrasing) that while Redskins fans are excited that Allen is gone there is one guy still there (meaning Dan Snyder) and nobody knows how much of the stuff we are all blaming on Bruce was actually dieected from DS.

 

So while things are changing, what really has changed?

 

We will see over the next few years. I'm not expecting much until I see that alot more has changed other than just the HC and his staff.

 

Unlike Shanahan, and Gruden, and Zorn, I actually think that Rivera and Del Rio can definitely be winning coaches. What about the rest of the FO though? Is Dan still going to be playing his behind the scenes Jerry Jones act?

 

 

I agree. Although Bruce was atrocious and had to go, the dysfunction of the organization goes way beyond the past 10 years and starts and ends with Snyder. There’s no guarantee that the lightbulb has finally turned on and that he “gets it” now. But, with cautious optimism, this somehow has a different feel to it. I don’t think RR would have taken this job if he did not feel as though some sort of commitment to cultural and front office change was going to occur. Who knows...could be totally wrong and we’re right back in the same position we’ve been in for the last 21 years. I’ve been a fan for 43 years and bleed burgundy ‘n gold, so I’m going to throw in blind faith and ride the wave that this is the moment it all turns around and we get our team back. 

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17 minutes ago, SkinsFTW said:

Pat Kirwin on the radio, SeriusXM, today just said pretty much exactly what I've been saying all along. He's also coincidentally a guy who talks to Bruce Allen on air from time to time.

 

He said (paraphrasing) that while Redskins fans are excited that Allen is gone there is one guy still there (meaning Dan Snyder) and nobody knows how much of the stuff we are all blaming on Bruce was actually dieected from DS.

 

So while things are changing, what really has changed?

 

We will see over the next few years. I'm not expecting much until I see that alot more has changed other than just the HC and his staff.

 

Unlike Shanahan, and Gruden, and Zorn, I actually think that Rivera and Del Rio can definitely be winning coaches. What about the rest of the FO though? Is Dan still going to be playing his behind the scenes Jerry Jones act?

 

 


I’m sure Bruce took many Bullets for Dan on roster decisions.  Big part of the job.  Don’t see Dan changing, but one can hope. 


Though Bruce needed to leave, he deserves credit for building young talent through the draft instead of focusing on Free Agency. 

 

Very interested to see what Rivera / Snyder do with the Front Office.  Key decision...

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3 minutes ago, Andre The Giant said:


I’m sure Bruce took many Bullets for Dan on roster decisions.  Big part of the job.  Don’t see Dan changing, but one can hope. 


Though Bruce needed to leave, he deserves credit for building young talent through the draft instead of focusing on Free Agency. 

 

Very interested to see what Rivera / Snyder do with the Front Office.  Key decision...

I have trouble giving Bruce credit for 95% of draft picks and Free Agency. Landon Collins and Haskins? Sure that impresses the boss man. I bet he couldnt name half of the players drafted last year...let alone 3-4 years ago. 

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1 hour ago, spjunkies said:

I swear some Redskins fans just want to be miserable, Chris Russell started his show today saying what if Bruce is still in Dan's ear and some lady just called saying she thinks he's still around. Come on people, the guy did what you wanted, if you think the scumbag is still hanging around just stop rooting for the team!

 

Better (and right) play would be the "Dan is still the owner and until that changes, abandon hope all ye who enter here." But that reeks of some ulterior motive. You dont make the changes he JUST made, if Allen still has your ear. You would've made changes using his connections.

 

That is stupid, coming from Russell 

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Posted (edited)

“What the Redskins have needed is a culture change, someone that can bring a winning culture to our organization, and it starts and ends with our head coach,” Snyder said.

Too bad it took him a decade to realize that.

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2 minutes ago, FrFan said:

“What the Redskins have needed is a culture change, someone that can bring a winning culture to our organization, and it starts and ends with our head coach,” Snyder said.

Too bad it took him a decade to realize that.

 

1999-2019

 

And didn't he just finish selecting the new first round QB himself against the wishes of his head coach?

 

Interesting times...

 

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Just now, SkinsFTW said:

 

1999-2019

 

And didn't he just finish selecting the new first round QB himself against the wishes of his head coach?

 

Interesting times...

 

I mentioned the decade only as a reference to Brucifer's culture. As he and his son are in love with Haskins we're safe from QB meddling during this upcoming draft ;)

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I'm too exhausted to be scared, either it will work or it wont.  

 

If Snyder is serious about not being a disgustingly disrespectful organization from top to bottom, good, we can get back to losing coming with the territory.  Even if Rivera fails, we have to keep in mind they could be winning and still be impossible to root for.

 

If Dan finally gets his fan base is in serious danger of being carved up by the Ravens and Cowboys for good, this will work itself out whether its Rivera or not.  I dont care if he has too much power if it works.

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