Dark Acre Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 How can a guy work hard and not be coachable? What's he working hard at? It'd sure be nice if Sweat had any hands and could be used as a dual-threat. Not too many guys his size who run a 4.41. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 6 hours ago, Dark Acre said: How can a guy work hard and not be coachable? What's he working hard at? It'd sure be nice if Sweat had any hands and could be used as a dual-threat. Not too many guys his size who run a 4.41. The 4.41 does not matter for an EDGE. They typically aren’t running down the field (although it is fun to see Sweat chase down RBs occasionally on long runs). His limitation is he is a bit stiff and that is going to prevent him from being elite. 17 hours ago, Die Hard said: Even his rookie season wasn’t a high bar. He made some plays, was opportunitic on a few others (Merton Hanks effect), but was not a gamewrecker. There was no legacy game. And he won Defensive Rookie of the Year beating out a safety in a really down year for rookies. If that’s his ceiling…. yikes. And right now, there’s absolutely no promise that it isn’t. His career so far kinda reminds me of Clowney’s. I would call that SF game his rookie year a legacy game and he was going up against Trent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 6 minutes ago, method man said: The 4.41 does not matter for an EDGE. They typically aren’t running down the field (although it is fun to see Sweat chase down RBs occasionally on long runs). His limitation is he is a bit stiff and that is going to prevent him from being elite. I would call that SF game his rookie year a legacy game and he was going up against Trent Is that this game? https://www.nfl.com/players/chase-young/stats/splits/2020/ 6 total tackles (2 solo, 4 assisted), 1 sack and 1 fumble recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shemp nixon Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I'm going to reserve judgement on Chase until this season. Let's see what Kerrigan can do to help his pass rushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 hours ago, Die Hard said: Is that this game? https://www.nfl.com/players/chase-young/stats/splits/2020/ 6 total tackles (2 solo, 4 assisted), 1 sack and 1 fumble recovery. He also forced a fumble and scored a TD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 3 minutes ago, method man said: He also forced a fumble and scored a TD Was Trent in that game? I thought he was injured and someone else was playing LT for that game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Just now, bird_1972 said: Was Trent in that game? I thought he was injured and someone else was playing LT for that game I believe Trent did play, which made it impressive to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) 9 hours ago, Dark Acre said: How can a guy work hard and not be coachable? What's he working hard at? It'd sure be nice if Sweat had any hands and could be used as a dual-threat. Not too many guys his size who run a 4.41. RG3 by all accounts worked hard, but didn't want to listen to Kyle after his rookie year. Hated him and the offense. Thought he should be doing more traditional drop back stuff, even though he never learned to throw with anticipation and Kyle's offense was perfect for him. And a lot of the media took RG3's side. Jason La Canfora especially, who now thinks Shanny is the greatest, of course. Chase apparently is having a hard time playing within the scheme as well. Or at least did before he got hurt. Edited February 12 by Hooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 37 minutes ago, method man said: He also forced a fumble and scored a TD Havent been able to find any mention of a forced fumble. Although the fumble recovery and TD were the same play. He also had 2 passes defensed and 2 tackles for loss, and 2 QB pressures/hits. Its a very good game. It has been one of his best pro games thus far… but legacy game? Breakout game? Even Roy Helu had a standout statistical game every now and then… but nobody would call them legacy games. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 8 hours ago, Die Hard said: Havent been able to find any mention of a forced fumble. Although the fumble recovery and TD were the same play. He also had 2 passes defensed and 2 tackles for loss, and 2 QB pressures/hits. Its a very good game. It has been one of his best pro games thus far… but legacy game? Breakout game? Even Roy Helu had a standout statistical game every now and then… but nobody would call them legacy games. You have to go back and watch the game vs reading a stat line. This recap summarizes my memories of it 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 I think what happened was, during Young's season second when he had that rut of not getting any sacks, he heard the criticism and started playing recklessly to chase those #s to quiet the haters. There was no issue in his rookie year, but his rookie year he(and the DL as a whole)mostly feasted on bad QBs/OLs. In 2021 we faced an absolute murderer's row of top notch QBs. It was just a bunch of different circumstances. And then of course he got hurt. Young will probably leave us after 2023 and, with a fresh start, begin racking up 15+ sack seasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 34 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: I think what happened was, during Young's season second when he had that rut of not getting any sacks, he heard the criticism and started playing recklessly to chase those #s to quiet the haters. There was no issue in his rookie year, but his rookie year he(and the DL as a whole)mostly feasted on bad QBs/OLs. In 2021 we faced an absolute murderer's row of top notch QBs. It was just a bunch of different circumstances. And then of course he got hurt. Young will probably leave us after 2023 and, with a fresh start, begin racking up 15+ sack seasons. You are right. Chase got close a bunch of times but early in 2021 but didn’t get the sacks and he started selfishly pressing. He even got a couple sacks that were called off due to penalties. Hope he has matured - from my blind eye, he seemed to play disciplined football in the few games he did play last year, starting with cutting out those spin moves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxSpearheadxX Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) @Warhead36 And I know the team has claimed otherwise but Hes lateral movement was different in the second season. I'm positive he injured his knee games before the big injury he had. I have no proof but my eyes. And I agree you can see when he started overextending and trying too hard. His burst wasn't there. This year looked bettwr in limited snaps to my eyes... Still i hope next year he gets it together Edited February 13 by XxSpearheadxX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 44 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 minute ago, XxSpearheadxX said: @Warhead36 And I know the team has claimed otherwise but Hes lateral movement was different in the second season. I'm positive he injured his knee games before the big injury he had. I have no proof but my eyes. And I agree you can see when he started overextending and trying too hard. His burst wasn't there. This year looked bettwr in limited snaps to my eyes... Still i hope next year he gets it together Key that he stays healthy this year, not going to get that contract if he spends any significant time injured. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 2/12/2023 at 4:23 AM, Dark Acre said: How can a guy work hard and not be coachable? What's he working hard at? It'd sure be nice if Sweat had any hands and could be used as a dual-threat. Not too many guys his size who run a 4.41. His time spent away from training camp could be a fine example of that kind of thought. Opting to work with his own trainer/reps doing things that he deemed important as opposed to what his coach thought was important. I'm sure he worked hard, but perhaps focused on things beyond the current teams scheme and need?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Warhead36 said: I think what happened was, during Young's season second when he had that rut of not getting any sacks, he heard the criticism and started playing recklessly to chase those #s to quiet the haters. There was no issue in his rookie year, but his rookie year he(and the DL as a whole)mostly feasted on bad QBs/OLs. In 2021 we faced an absolute murderer's row of top notch QBs. It was just a bunch of different circumstances. And then of course he got hurt. Young will probably leave us after 2023 and, with a fresh start, begin racking up 15+ sack seasons. I don’t think he’s a 15+ sack kind of guy to be honest with you. He doesn’t have that bend and his athleticism was oversold in the draft process. We basically never got any measurables on him, I bet he wasn’t nearly as freaky as he was sold as. EDGE is a position where that athleticism is actually extremely important. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, bowhunter said: His time spent away from training camp could be a fine example of that kind of thought. Opting to work with his own trainer/reps doing things that he deemed important as opposed to what his coach thought was important. I'm sure he worked hard, but perhaps focused on things beyond the current teams scheme and need?? Some of the best Edge players, actually best players in general, work out on their own. That's such an overblown thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 44 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: Some of the best Edge players, actually best players in general, work out on their own. That's such an overblown thing. I've always though of "working out on your own, away from the facility" meaning that for example a DE would be doing strength training, conditioning, fast twitch muscle exercises, perhaps pass rush moves. The coachable thing would be more along the lines of "when you see this particular look these are your responsibilities". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 2 hours ago, Warhead36 said: Some of the best Edge players, actually best players in general, work out on their own. That's such an overblown thing. The question was asked how a player could work hard but not be coachable. You and I have differing opinions on the importance of working with your coaches vs opting to be off on your own. And that's OK, that topic often leads to divided opinions on this board. I doubt either of us will change each others mind. But IMO, it becomes self>team and hence was why I answered the question as I did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 On 2/10/2023 at 8:39 PM, Jericho said: I think it only makes sense not to exercise it if you think Young will stink. No, it makes sense not to exercise the option when you think someone isn't worth what they'll get paid. He's not very good. He was a good but not transcendent player in his rookie year. If the team thinks immaturity is in any way an issue, they should just let him play out the year or even try to trade him. Even if he develops into a 9-11 sack a year guy, so what? So was Orakpo. Young was taken to be great. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RWJ Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 (edited) Love the guy! I made some mean comments about him busting but I hope he does well. Edited April 1 by RWJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shemp nixon Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 I hope Chase is working on his hands, that's the weakest part of his game IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlueIndian Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Good to see him working hard at it ! What a force he could be on this defense. Hopefully, all these young guys and the exit of the Snyder S Show ushers in a new chapter in Washington football history. One where the news about this team is filled with this sort of information and not the constant barrage of tabloid crap we have been subjected to for the last 20+ years. Maybe I'm a fool for thinking there is real hope around the team and players like Chase for a change. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmandoug1 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 I would have fallen on my ass on the first set...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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