PartyPosse Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 59 minutes ago, dyst said: Him being a rookie is why this isn’t alarming to me, but I don’t buy the “teams are game-planning against him” idea simply because teams game-plan against Darnold, Watt,, Mack, Miller etc and those guy still manage. That is what we want out of Chase. It’s important for teams to game-plan against Darnold or else he might go off for only 2 INT and 134 yards! (Yes I know you meant Donald but I couldn’t pass it up) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
757SeanTaylor21 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 (edited) So if you take...chase young out and put nick bosa in....with a groin injury...and expect same performance last year with this group? If somebody can...can yall post the amount of pressures/sacks the sf d line had last year st this time compared to our players Edited November 26, 2020 by 757SeanTaylor21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, GOATFrerotte said: Is it not reasonable to expect him to be one of the better rookie D ends of all time like the #2 pick from last year? Again, I think you’re confusing hopeful with reasonable. To expect anyone to be the best of all time even as a rookie is an unfair expectation and will probably influence how how you’ll end up seeing him throughout his entire career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, dyst said: I have to agree with @GOATFrerotte a bit in that statistically, Chase has not lived up to the expectations that were unanimously praised upon him. That doesn’t mean he is not having an impact on the game, or that he is playing terribly. But one can say he is playing well while still expecting more from him. Him being a rookie is why this isn’t alarming to me, but I don’t buy the “teams are game-planning against him” idea simply because teams game-plan against Darnold, Watt,, Mack, Miller etc and those guy still manage. That is what we want out of Chase. You used the word unanimously incorrectly. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berggy9598 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 12 minutes ago, 757SeanTaylor21 said: So if you take...chase young out and put nick bosa in....with a groin injury...and expect same performance last year with this group? If somebody can...can yall post the amount of pressures/sacks the sf d line had last year st this time compared to our players Without even looking at that, and with all due respect to Allen/Payne who are very good, they're not as good (at present time) as Buckner and Armstead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
757SeanTaylor21 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Berggy9598 said: Without even looking at that, and with all due respect to Allen/Payne who are very good, they're not as good (at present time) as Buckner and Armstead. I know. But it makes the comparison chase young to blsa much duller....as its 2 whole different levels ... coupled in with san frans offense that had its way with seemingly almost every opponent...the d line was able to pin their ears back. We always down 17 pts Edited November 26, 2020 by 757SeanTaylor21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berggy9598 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 minute ago, 757SeanTaylor21 said: I know. But it makes the comparison chase young to blsa much duller....as its 2 whole different levels 100%. Very little of the belly aching about him in this thread is founded in any kind of logic. Like so many rookie edge rushers he needs to sharpen up the second phase of his rushes because shockingly enough NFL tackles open their hips and get in their pass pro sets quicker. That's not even to say he's not getting pressures as even with that he's blowing by tackles on the first phase of his rushes. The idea that he should already be polished at figuring out how to defeat double teams in the NFL is full on standup comedy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 46 minutes ago, PartyPosse said: Again, I think you’re confusing hopeful with reasonable. To expect anyone to be the best of all time even as a rookie is an unfair expectation and will probably influence how how you’ll end up seeing him throughout his entire career. I've pulled out and let others take my argument, several clearly see it the same way as I do. But this is what I'm talking about with regard to this board. None of these posters are claiming Chase be the "best of all time even as a rookie", they said nothing even remotely close to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOATFrerotte Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 58 minutes ago, PartyPosse said: Again, I think you’re confusing hopeful with reasonable. To expect anyone to be the best of all time even as a rookie is an unfair expectation and will probably influence how how you’ll end up seeing him throughout his entire career. You keep saying ridiculous things. No one is saying anything like that. But why exactly is it unreasonable to expect him to have one of the better rookie seasons of all time? Especially after what we saw from the #2 pick last year. Not gonna lie it’s a little disappointing that we’re listing off 50 excuses about why he’s not producing instead of pointing to actual production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
757SeanTaylor21 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Look at the entirety of san frans d line last year compared to ours with a number 2 pass rusher injured. Almost everyone included figured that bosa would have the more immediate impact as he was such a great technician but not as high as potential as young since young waa way more explosive. Once young matches the healthy explosiveness with the bosa hand techniques he will be dominant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, GOATFrerotte said: You keep saying ridiculous things. No one is saying anything like that. But why exactly is it unreasonable to expect him to have one of the better rookie seasons of all time? Especially after what we saw from the #2 pick last year. Not gonna lie it’s a little disappointing that we’re listing off 50 excuses about why he’s not producing instead of pointing to actual production. Excuses are different than reasons. Just to be clear. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOATFrerotte Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 55 minutes ago, Berggy9598 said: 100%. Very little of the belly aching about him in this thread is founded in any kind of logic. Like so many rookie edge rushers he needs to sharpen up the second phase of his rushes because shockingly enough NFL tackles open their hips and get in their pass pro sets quicker. That's not even to say he's not getting pressures as even with that he's blowing by tackles on the first phase of his rushes. The idea that he should already be polished at figuring out how to defeat double teams in the NFL is full on standup comedy. I’m pretty sure Bosa was 4th in the league last year at beating double teams. There’s just no way around it, Bosa was an absolute stud as a rookie and we just have to hope Chase learns and doesn’t end up like a Clowney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berggy9598 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, GOATFrerotte said: I’m pretty sure Bosa was 4th in the league last year at beating double teams. There’s just no way around it, Bosa was an absolute stud as a rookie and we just have to hope Chase learns and doesn’t end up like a Clowney. Bosa had a 21% win rate vs double teams his rookie season. I couldn't find Chase Young's win rate vs double teams or the rate at which he's double teamed in comparison to Bosa during his rookie season. You don't have the necessary data to make any proclamations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 42 minutes ago, Darrell Green Fan said: I've pulled out and let others take my argument, several clearly see it the same way as I do. But this is what I'm talking about with regard to this board. None of these posters are claiming Chase be the "best of all time even as a rookie", they said nothing even remotely close to that. “Is it not reasonable to expect him to be one of the better rookie D ends of all time like the #2 pick from last year?“ I’m sorry. I guess I misinterpreted the “of all time” part of the “reasonable to be one of the better rookie D ends of all time” portion of his post. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tibbidoe Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 What I hate most is that, 9 games and only 3.5 sacks, Young hasn't even made the HoF yet. Clearly a terrible pick. #FireEverybody 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOATFrerotte Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 15 minutes ago, Berggy9598 said: Bosa had a 21% win rate vs double teams his rookie season. I couldn't find Chase Young's win rate vs double teams or the rate at which he's double teamed in comparison to Bosa during his rookie season. You don't have the necessary data to make any proclamations. You said it’s not logical to expect a rookie to have technique to beat double teams and I just mentioned that there was a rookie last year who was one of the better ends in the league at beating them. No matter what data you look at Bosa was one of the best d ends in the league last year, not even just comparing him to rookies. And Chase was actually touted as being a better prospect than Nick. I was just hoping for a little competition with Nick and it’s not even close. There is nothing you can compare the two with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berggy9598 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, GOATFrerotte said: You said it’s not logical to expect a rookie to have technique to beat double teams and I just mentioned that there was a rookie last year who was one of the better ends in the league at beating them. No matter what data you look at Bosa was one of the best d ends in the league last year, not even just comparing him to rookies. And Chase was actually touted as being a better prospect than Nick. I was just hoping for a little competition with Nick and it’s not even close. There is nothing you can compare the two with. You still don't know at which rate Chase Young has been double teamed as opposed to Bosa, but either way Chase Young has played 9 games in the NFL so I'm not going go into panic mode about him long term just because he has some stuff to work on. He's a much more polished run defender than Bosa btw but that's not cause for mass hysteria so why talk about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Dude, you are worse for the mood around here, than the real Frerotte was. 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 (edited) Dammit, how did I get in here, lol Edited November 26, 2020 by Mr. Sinister 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOATFrerotte Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 (edited) Weird posted this in the game day thread Edited November 26, 2020 by GOATFrerotte 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmandoug1 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 On 11/23/2020 at 4:42 PM, KDawg said: It's repetitive. It's been talked about. The groin injury is an issue that doesn't improve without a long rest period. Our guy @TheShredderhas talked about it here. It's basically an injury that doesn't improve without surgery or a long rest. A few week rest time isn't going to do much. Playing on it would be fine as long as he can handle the discomfort. The alternate is we put Young on ice for the remainder of his rookie season and he obviously wants no part of that. There is an assumption that Kerrigan is benefitting from a reduce workload, absolutely. Last year he played 642 snaps and had 5.5 sacks. So far this season he's played 238 snaps and has 5.5 sacks. His best sack season was 2014 with 13.5. In that season he played 978 snaps. That's 1 sack every 72 snaps. This season he's averaging a sack every 43 snaps. For what it's worth, here's his career sacks per snap: 2011: No snap count available. 2012: 1065 snaps, 8.5 sacks = 1 sack every 125 snaps 2013: 974 snaps, 8.5 sacks = 1 sack every 114 snaps 2014: 978 snaps, 13.5 sacks = 1 sack every 72 snaps 2015: 889 snaps, 9.5 sacks = 1 sack every 93 snaps 2016: 786 snaps, 11 sacks = 1 sack every 71 snaps 2017: 820 snaps, 13 sacks = 1 sack every 63 snaps 2018: 819 snaps, 13 sacks = 1 sack every 63 snaps 2019: 642 snaps, 5.5 sacks = 1 sack every 116 snaps 2020: 238 snaps, 5.5 sacks = 1 sack every 43 snaps So far, his best production from a per snap basis is this season. It is logical, in my opinion, to assume the fresh factor has something to do with it. Sweat and Young beat up on the tackles and Kerrigan comes in fresh as a daisy and okie dokes the OL and gets to the quarterback. That kind of rest from a Edge guy in general would very likely increase their overall explosiveness regardless. Now factor in Kerrigan's age as a pass rusher and it's not a far fetched conclusion that his fatigue being lower has led to a very positive boost in his production. On 11/23/2020 at 4:42 PM, KDawg said: Let's take a look back when season ends and see what we have.....fair? Kerrigan rookie year 2011. GP TOT SOLO AST SACK FF FR YDS INT YDS AVG TD LNG PD STF STFYDS KB 16 63 41 22 7.5 4 0 0 1 9 9.0 1 9 4 4 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 weird how quiet this thread got. 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anselmheifer Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 I’m thankful we didn’t win games at the end of the year last season. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel.redskins Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Chase had a great game. I'll admit it. I completely overreacted after the Lions game. I was just pissed off that we lost to such a terrible team. Our d-line is looking good. I excited with them moving forward. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Chase is being slowly drip fed into the league. He’s being carefully managed. He’s going to be an animal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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