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[mistertim]

9 hours ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

Why did Chase Young have to be so good? This would primarily be an easy decision. You trade back to #5 and also receive #18 and #56, select either Okudah or Simmons and then select the best OT available at 18, then BPA from there on out. But no, Chase Young had to be ****ing amazing. I do feel like if we trade with the Dolphins, Okudah is the one that will be available at #5 and the New York Giants go with Simmons as they just signed Bradberry and probably want more balance on that side of the ball.

 

5. Jeff Okudah

18. Wirfs/Willis/Becton/Thomas/Josh Jones (If we don't get lucky and have one of the top 4 slide)

56. BPA WR/TE

 

This would really balance the roster imo. We roll with Ryan Anderson or Kerrigan at DE and draft one high next year (most likely top 10). 

 

That's what I would do, but all signs truly do point to Chase Young. Our stop gap CB and FS signings indicates Chase Young as the pick and next year when those contracts come off the books we're probably going to look heavily at CB and FS in the draft if they don't work out. 

 

I'm still not convinced that as many teams want to trade up to #2 for Tua as most people think. 

 

12 hours ago, COWBOY-KILLA- said:

Buy I agree with @KDawg that to expect CY to turn water into wine is not fair, and a tempering of the expectations may be a better way to go. 

 

Well yeah, that's obviously ludicrous. But him curing cancer I think is reasonable. 

Edited April 5, 2020 by mistertim

[nonniey]

2 hours ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

After the draft, and there is no NFL season in 2020, what's going to happen in 2021 ?

Will we be #2 overall in that draft too ?

If there is no season, I believe so. However if there is no college football season then each teams scouting departments are going to have a major challenge accurately assessing prospects. I imagine the number of 1st and 2d round busts will spike for that class, while lower rounds and FAs will have more diamonds in them than usual.

Edited April 5, 2020 by nonniey

[skinny21]

@Burgundy Yoda

I can see your point, but...

they have DE starters and depth - Sweat, Kerrigan, Anderson and Brailford, and then they also signed Orchard.  
 

Of course, who knows with so many guy’s contracts up next year (Kerrigan, Anderson, Moreau, Darby, etc).  
I don’t see them getting a good trade offer though, so picking Young should be the move. 

[HTTRDynasty]

Article from December:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cincyjungle.com/platform/amp/2019/12/1/20989199/nfl-personnel-weigh-in-on-chase-young-vs-joe-burrow-for-first-overall-pick

 

Though he hasn’t officially declared for the draft, Young seems to have been unanimously crowned as the top player on the draft board. The guy that might give him a run for his money is LSU quarterback Joe Burrow, but according to Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald, Burrow is still clearly behind Young in the eyes of NFL personnel and coaches.

 

“I must have missed something,” one current NFC personnel man who has watched multiple Burrow games in person said. “Is he the best prospect in the land? Look, he’s good, there’s a lot to like. He’s going in the top three or four picks. But it would be impossible to grade anyone, including any quarterback coming out this year, above Chase Young.

 

“There is zero question Chase Young is the top prospect in the next draft. And being in a position to pick him and passing on him for a lesser talent would a tough thing to do.”

 

The Young vs. Burrow debate boils down to overall talent vs. positional value. Young is clearly viewed as a better edge rusher than Burrow is viewed as a quarterback, but Burrow plays the most important position in the game and is still a really good prospect in his own right.

 

For teams that don’t need a quarterback, the choice between them is more obvious than for teams like the Bengals, who currently don’t have a quarterback of the future.

 

“I wouldn’t stack him ahead of Young on our board,” an AFC assistant coach said. “Maybe I’m biased because I love our [quarterback], but if the Bengals are picking Burrow I’m sleeping better at night than if they’re picking the defensive end.”

But to some around the league, the Bengals are seen as a special case in this scenario. Selecting a quarterback usually grants a general manager and his staff some time and leeway with the organization, but as a team without a true GM, the Bengals go by how Mike Brown and his family see fit. Brown may not feel obligated to take a quarterback over the consensus best player in the draft.

 

“If my owner wants the best player and is willing to have patience on getting the quarterback, then Young would be my pick,” he said. “In Cincinnati, the general manager is the owner. He’s not going to fire himself. He can be patient. So he can easily pick the far superior talent and address the quarterback afterward.”

 

[HTTRDynasty]

Even when he's no longer doing press conferences, Doug is still giving our draft plans away, lol.

 

 

[Dark Acre]

Why is everyone so certain that the Bengals won't draft the generational talent or trade out of the spot to someone who will?

[Burgold]

47 minutes ago, GothSkinsFan said:

Why is everyone so certain that the Bengals won't draft the generational talent or trade out of the spot to someone who will?

Because Cinci needs a new QB, Burrow blew out college football last year, and is a local boy to boot. He's too perfect a fit. Out of a storybook. 

[Koolblue13]

1 hour ago, GothSkinsFan said:

Why is everyone so certain that the Bengals won't draft the generational talent or trade out of the spot to someone who will?

We're not. If they take Young, like they should, someone will run up to us for the pick to get Burrow so we'd be disappointed but still make out well.

[KDawg]

1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said:

We're not. If they take Young, like they should, someone will run up to us for the pick to get Burrow so we'd be disappointed but still make out well.

I don't think I can think of  a way I could possibly be mad with whatever we do at the second pick...

 

Unless we make an absurdly terrible trade or trade back to 26 and draft a punter.

 

I put it at a 97% chance I'm satisfied

[Koolblue13]

4 minutes ago, KDawg said:

I don't think I can think of  a way I could possibly be mad with whatever we do at the second pick...

 

Unless we make an absurdly terrible trade or trade back to 26 and draft a punter.

 

I put it at a 97% chance I'm satisfied

You know my opinion on the QB position, so there are a couple options that would infuriate me. 

 

Get young
Get Simmons or Okudah (Simmons really) and some other picks

Get a **** ton of 2nd day picks

 

Lots of options that I'd be satisfied with. Well, three I guess. 

[Burgold]

59 minutes ago, KDawg said:

I don't think I can think of  a way I could possibly be mad with whatever we do at the second pick...

 

Unless we make an absurdly terrible trade or trade back to 26 and draft a punter.

 

I put it at a 97% chance I'm satisfied

With the 2nd overall pick the Redskins choose punt protector Justin Fumble out of Division IV Junior College. Whatsamatta U.

[HTTRDynasty]

 

[Skinsinparadise]

It doesn't matter who are making the picks.  It could be PFF, the players, sports writers, etc.   It's amazing how there is just about never a Redskin player making lists like that.  The irony is the only player that sometimes did was Trent.   

 

I am beating this point like a dead horse😀 but it would be nice for a change to hear a Redskins player mentioned among the greatest players in the NFL.    I am making this point on this thread for obvious reasons. 

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001108338/article/tom-brady-aaron-donald-headline-nfls-2010s-alldecade-team

2010s ALL-DECADE TEAM ROSTER

 

* -- denotes a unanimous selection

OFFENSE

QB Tom Brady*
QB Aaron Rodgers
RB Frank Gore
RB Marshawn Lynch
RB LeSean McCoy
RB Adrian Peterson*
WR Antonio Brown
WR Larry Fitzgerald
WR Calvin Johnson
WR Julio Jones
FLEX Darren Sproles
TE Rob Gronkowski
TE Travis Kelce
OT Jason Peters
OT Tyron Smith
OT Joe Staley
OT Joe Thomas*
OG Jahri Evans
OG Logan Mankins
OG Zack Martin
OG Marshal Yanda*
C Alex Mack
C Maurkice Pouncey

 

DEFENSE

DE Calais Campbell
DE Cameron Jordan
DE Julius Peppers
DE J.J. Watt*
DT Geno Atkins
DT Fletcher Cox
DT Aaron Donald*
DT Ndamukong Suh
LB Chandler Jones
LB Luke Kuechly
LB Khalil Mack
LB Von Miller*
LB Bobby Wagner
LB Patrick Willis
CB Patrick Peterson
CB Darrelle Revis
CB Richard Sherman
S Eric Berry
S Earl Thomas
S Eric Weddle
DB Chris Harris Jr.
DB Tyrann Mathieu

 

SPECIALISTS

P Johnny Hekker
P Shane Lechler
K Stephen Gostkowski
K Justin Tucker*
PR Tyreek Hill
PR Darren Sproles
KR Devin Hester
KR Cordarrelle Patterson

COACHES

 

 

 

[mistertim]

5 hours ago, KDawg said:

I don't think I can think of  a way I could possibly be mad with whatever we do at the second pick...

 

Unless we make an absurdly terrible trade or trade back to 26 and draft a punter.

 

I put it at a 97% chance I'm satisfied

 

I'd be mad if we picked someone other than Chase Young at #2 with him still on the board and without trading down. Simmons and Okuda are obviously both outstanding prospects, but IMO they could both likely be had at 5 or 6. 

 

That said, I can't possibly see that happening seeing as how we have a defensive minded HC, a DC who has a history of working with elite edge rushers, and an owner who is reportedly on the Chase Young bandwagon pretty hard. 

[KDawg]

4 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

I'd be mad if we picked someone other than Chase Young at #2 with him still on the board and without trading down. Simmons and Okuda are obviously both outstanding prospects, but IMO they could both likely be had at 5 or 6. 

 

That said, I can't possibly see that happening seeing as how we have a defensive minded HC, a DC who has a history of working with elite edge rushers, and an owner who is reportedly on the Chase Young bandwagon pretty hard. 

 

If Chase Young is on the board at 2 and we aren't taking him, we're trading. 

 

But ya, Okudah at 2 I'd be frustrated by. Same with Simmons. And not because of the player themselves, but because of when we could get them.

 

Okudah in general would be a little off putting as good as he is... because there are 4 other corners who are in the same league as he is and can be had later. 

[Skinsinparadise]

16 hours ago, HTTRDynasty said:

Even when he's no longer doing press conferences, Doug is still giving our draft plans away, lol.

 

 

Yeah Doug slips things before every draft both before and after. So I think there is likely something to this.  If it were anyone else, I wouldn't think much of it. 

[RWJ]

13 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Yeah Doug slips things before every draft both before and after. So I think there is likely something to this.  If it were anyone else, I wouldn't think much of it. 

Be interesting to know what RR and Smith think about this.  

[mistertim]

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Yeah Doug slips things before every draft both before and after. So I think there is likely something to this.  If it were anyone else, I wouldn't think much of it. 

 

It is kinda funny. Though this year him tipping our hand really isn't that big of a deal IMO. By far the most likely scenario is us staying at 2 and taking Chase Young. And I'm betting that the entire league pretty much knows that. Sure, we'd possibly listen to trade offers and possibly consider it if someone made us a nutso offer to move up (at least RG3 level trade). But I don't see that happening and RR has said himself in an interview that it would take a lot to move us off of that pick.

 

If I had to guess I'd think that Miami is content to stay at 5. That's especially true if they like Herbert as well. I think there's almost a 100% chance that Tua or Herbert (or possibly both) are available at #5 without them having to give up all the draft capital they've amassed to trade up. They can get their QB of the future and still be able to draft multiple other top tier talents to fill in their roster. 

[HTTRDynasty]

 

 

Edited April 7, 2020 by HTTRDynasty

[HTTRDynasty]

 

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

On 4/3/2020 at 7:23 PM, KDawg said:

Young’s hands are good, though. He just doesn’t use them enough. And I’m definitely not lukewarm on Young but I’m dry ice on this generational talent ****.

 

But because projecting that kind of thing is like finding a needle in a haystack.

 

 have his ceiling higher than Myles Garrett on year 1, 

 

I get it.  The word gets thrown around too often.  My nitpick here is that I don't think Myles Garrett was a generational talent.  Great prospect, but not that insane of one.

 

Chase Young had consistent production, pressure, impact, etc etc throughout his last season.  Garrett did not.  He kind of disappeared at times on film.  Measureables, yes, ridiculous.  But if we're looking at his film, I'd have ranked other Edges over him.  I think if I was doing a combined ranking it'd be Young > Nick Bosa > Myles Garrett > Joey Bosa > Josh Allen > Bradley Chubb/Brian Burns.

 

He went #1 overall in a weaker draft class.  The top QB taken was Trubisky.  The 3rd overall pick was Solomon Thomas.  There were 3 WR's taken in the Top 10, and they've all disappointed.  Leonard Fournette is a bust for a #4 pick.  So him going #1 inflates his pre-draft value imo. 

 

P.S.  Expecting rookie Chase Young to have the same production level as 3rd year Myles Garrett (if that's what you were getting at) is silly.  I fully agree in that sense.

P.P.S.  Myles Garrett is a better player in the NFL than I thought he'd be.

[KDawg]

Doesn’t matter if Garrett was generational. Setting his year 1 floor as Myles Garrett is lofty. 
 

He can do it. I absolutely believe that. But I think we’re setting expectations high for a NFL rookie.

 

Your PS was my point @Alcoholic Zebra 

Edited April 7, 2020 by KDawg

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