Ron Rivera to be next Redskins HC (According to CSN Post-game Show)

[SoCalSkins]

2 minutes ago, 86 Snyder said:

 

He doesn't have to share power.  He needs to recognize where his genius zone ends and rely on people he trusts for the areas that fall outside it.  A great leader can do this while still maintaining every ounce of power given to them.  In fact, it can actually increase thier power by doing so.

 

if we DONT have a structure where someone has most of the power, that person will inevitably become Snyder himself.  So, I don't mind that we have this type of setup.  It remains to be seen whether Rivera is the man to pull it off.

Snyder has the ultimate power period. That will never change. He also needs his hand held and someone to be his buddy. If Ron doesn’t want to do that then someone will fill that gap and undermine him, That’s how this works. So he better not turn down the vacation invites to the Bahamas and Europe to hangout on the boat. 

[86 Snyder]

3 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said:

Snyder has the ultimate power period. That will never change. He also needs his hand held and someone to be his buddy. If Ron doesn’t want to do that then someone will fill that gap and undermine him, That’s how this works. So he better not turn down the vacation invites to the Bahamas and Europe to hangout on the boat. 

 

Well, ya know, he's the OWNER, so obviously he has he ultimate power.  But I've seen more than enough of your back and forth to just drop it there.

[wilco_holland]

We can say a lot about Dan but he put in the effort and convinced Ron to come hear. He had other options but I believe that Ron really liked this job. From the history to the players to the vision Dan has. Sure we need to see how it works out but if the man does something well, it can be mentioned! 

 

 

But man starting with happy thanksgiving???! It had my European/Dutch mind totally confused 😂

[tshile]

Happy thanksgiving 

sort of like maroon and black

 

we’re off to a great start 

[JSSkinz]

6 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said:

Snyder has the ultimate power period. That will never change. He also needs his hand held and someone to be his buddy. If Ron doesn’t want to do that then someone will fill that gap and undermine him, That’s how this works. So he better not turn down the vacation invites to the Bahamas and Europe to hangout on the boat.

I don't believe Ron would take this job if he thought a guy with no football background would be the deciding factor in personnel decisions?

 

Why would he do that unless he's trying to self sabotage himself?  Dans issues are well documented, it's not like Ron doesn't know what an F up Dan has been for 25 years.

 

[NoCalMike]

Snyder having the ultimate power is no different than any owner in Professional sports.  It is how Snyder chooses to use it (hopefully minimally if at all) that makes him different. 

[tshile]

2 minutes ago, JSSkinz said:

I don't believe Ron would take this job if he thought a guy with no football background would be the deciding factor in personnel decisions?

 

Why would he do that unless he's trying to self sabotage himself?  Dans issues are well documented, it's not like Ron doesn't know what an F up Dan has been for 25 years.

 

 

The thing that's always forgotten in these arguments is that there are only 32 of these jobs in the world.

 

less than that if you consider some coaches' jobs safe forever (or at least real long term)

 

Maybe they're just not as picky as we like to pretend. 

[SoCalSkins]

1 minute ago, JSSkinz said:

I don't believe Ron would take this job if he thought a guy with no football background would be the deciding factor in personnel decisions?

 

Why would he do that unless he's trying to self sabotage himself?  Dans issues are well documented, it's not like Ron doesn't know what an F up Dan has been for 25 years.

 

Ron specifically said Dan will decide if there is disagreement. Ron wants a voice with the owner and not to be subordinate to a GM. He got that. He just has to be smart and not let one of the front office guys become Dan’s new buddy because things will change fast. Ron just needs to remain buddies with Dan. That’s the key to the whole thing. Then Dan isn’t really deciding anything he’s rubber stamping Ron’s decision. 

[tshile]

1 minute ago, NoCalMike said:

Snyder having the ultimate power is no different than any owner in Professional sports.  It is how Snyder chooses to use it (hopefully minimally if at all) that makes him different. 

when the panthers fired Rivera midseason, they:

- Let him meet with his coaches and work with them to formulate a plan to finish the season without him

- Let him meet with his players to say goodbye

- Let him meet with the local beat reporters for a farewell press conference that lasted 30 minutes

 

 

When we fired Jay Gruden we:

- Preceded the event by leaking a video of him smoking weed at a club and making out with some (seemingly) random chick

- Set up a 5 AM meeting at redskins park following the game

- Had him escorted out immediately and he wasn't allowed to speak to anyone

 

 

Yeah. our owner does things differently. Because he's a douche bag. 

 

He goes and hires a well respected coach and everyone forgets what we actually have going on here.

 

Shanahan was a well respected coach. Gruden was a respected up and coming coach. Zorn was a really nice guy. 

 

he trashed them on a personal level, he trashed them on a professional level, and he did everything he could to make them the villain.

 

fool me 15 times shame on that random dude over there, cause i won't let me be at fault.

 

 

 

[wilco_holland]

Some people claim that thanksgiving comment was inside joke between Ron and Dan. Because he got fired around thanksgiving when we beat Carolina. It's also how Ron started his part. 

[FrFan]

 

[SoCalSkins]

It’s obvious Ron has final say:

 

 

[Thinking Skins]

So during the press conference, Rivera brought up that coaches are teachers. 

 

I looked up the Andy Reid coaching tree and it seems to be that that's a philosophy of Reid and Holmgren that has pressed forward in this tree. 

 

Here's a SI.com article by Albert Breer 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/11/15/andy-reid-coaching-tree-doug-pederson-sean-mcdermott-ron-rivera-matt-nagy-steve-spagnuolo-john-harbaugh

 

Ron Rivera
Panthers coach, 2011-present
Andy Reid assistant, 1999-2003

 

One of the things you gotta give Andy credit for is the way he does things. It’s almost like it’s right out of Bill Walsh’s book, Finding the Winning Edge. When I was first with Andy, he encouraged me to go get it, so I read the book. And by reading the book, one of the things I learned off it was that everything we did with Andy was in the book. So I started seeing why—in the book, there are great explanations of why Bill Walsh did everything that he did. … He trusts you. So by empowering you and giving you trust, you really do feel like, wow, ‘This is mine, he’s given us an opportunity to take a true stake in what we do.’

 

One thing he always did with us, when we had to do our reviews from the game, we all did it together in the same room, and you had to sign your name to it. You had to put your grades up in front of everybody. And every now and then, you had to explain why you graded your players like you did. I’m an eternally optimistic person. So one time, we’re grading, and my grades are a little higher than everybody’s. And we had won the game.

So after we got done, Andy said, ‘Ron, can you stay?’ I said, ‘Sure.’ So I stayed in the room and he starts talking about the grades, everybody’s grades. And we’d won this game like 35-7, I can’t remember who we beat. And Andy was smiling—‘You ever notice anything about the grades up here?’ I said, ‘I don’t know what you’re getting at, coach.’ Andy say, ‘Well, you see everyone’s grades, you notice yours are a little high?’ So I said, ‘Coach, we won the game 35-7.’ I’m looking at our offensive line, and nobody graded better than a 2.0, and a 2.0 was a backup player that you’re looking to replace—3.0 was a solid starter who did a great job, 3.5 was a guy playing Pro Bowl-caliber football, 4.0 was an All-Pro.

 

And I said, ‘Coach, I’m just looking at these grades and saying how can we win a game by so much and have so many low grades?” He said, ‘OK, I get it.’ And what I took, he didn’t judge me. He just asked me what I thought about it. And from that, it made me realize, I’m a positive guy, I look at things from a positive perspective—we had to do something right if we won 35-7. And he was that way too.

 

I remember asking Andy, ‘You know, you never fire anybody. Why?’ He said, ‘Ron, two things. First of all, I hired you. If I think something’s not going well, I’m gonna work with you, I’m gonna train you and give you every opportunity to succeed. If I don’t do that, it’s on me, it’s my fault.’ So he gave us this book on teaching, it’s a little book on teaching. And in it, there are little things about the progression of learning, the progression of teaching, you teach everything from the core, from the base. Like a tree, everything grows up, you’ve got a firm foundation and then it branches out. That’s how I look at coaching, from having read that book.

 

Matt Nagy also moved from Philadelphia to Kansas City with Andy Reid, working for two seasons as his offensive coordinator before being hired as the Bears head coach.

[NoCalMike]

15 minutes ago, tshile said:

 

 

Yeah. our owner does things differently. Because he's a douche bag. 

 

He goes and hires a well respected coach and everyone forgets what we actually have going on here.

 

 

Don't disagree with any of that. Was simply making the point that the owner having full control ultimately, is not unique to Snyder/The Redskins.

EDIT: Meant to say "Don't disagree" fixed.

[tshile]

Just now, NoCalMike said:

 

Don't agree with any of that. Was simply making the point that the owner having full control ultimately, is not unique to Snyder/The Redskins.

 

Right, but that he chooses to exercise it differently.

 

Which is the point I'm making.

[Idaho fan]

"(I read that as Rivera has final say but doesn’t feel the need to say it)"

 

Thats the way I took it too.  Ron choosing to take a more classy approach.  Rather than coming across as the supreme commander he chose to word things in a way which didn't make him sound like an ego maniac who wants control of everything.  More of a team approach.   Didn't bother me at all.

[Riggo#44]

1 minute ago, Idaho fan said:

Thats the way I took it too.  Ron choosing to take a more classy approach.  Rather than coming across as the supreme commander he chose to word things in a way which didn't make him sound like an ego maniac who wants control of everything.  More of a team approach.

 

So not Shannahan. The GM, or whatever you want to call him, is going to be key. Obviously, it's going to need to be someone who can/will work with Rivera.

 

We'll see...

[bearrock]

14 minutes ago, tshile said:

when the panthers fired Rivera midseason, they:

- Let him meet with his coaches and work with them to formulate a plan to finish the season without him

- Let him meet with his players to say goodbye

- Let him meet with the local beat reporters for a farewell press conference that lasted 30 minutes

 

 

When we fired Jay Gruden we:

- Preceded the event by leaking a video of him smoking weed at a club and making out with some (seemingly) random chick

- Set up a 5 AM meeting at redskins park following the game

- Had him escorted out immediately and he wasn't allowed to speak to anyone

 

 

Yeah. our owner does things differently. Because he's a douche bag. 

 

He goes and hires a well respected coach and everyone forgets what we actually have going on here.

 

Shanahan was a well respected coach. Gruden was a respected up and coming coach. Zorn was a really nice guy. 

 

he trashed them on a personal level, he trashed them on a professional level, and he did everything he could to make them the villain.

 

fool me 15 times shame on that random dude over there, cause i won't let me be at fault.

 

I think I prefer it when you use your logic and reasoning to dump on the future of politics in this country 😭

[SoCalSkins]

1 minute ago, Riggo#44 said:

 

So not Shannahan. The GM, or whatever you want to call him, is going to be key. Obviously, it's going to need to be someone who can/will work with Rivera.

 

We'll see...

If that person has more face time with Dan it’s not going to work. If someone else in the front office is regularly talking to Dan over whiskey and cigars after games it’s going to blow up.

[SkinsFTW]

12 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said:

If that person has more face time with Dan it’s not going to work. If someone else in the front office is regularly talking to Dan over whiskey and cigars after games it’s going to blow up.

 

Unless everything just magically falls into place and we're winning and don't stop.

 

Which seems highly unlikely.

[RemoveSnyder]

Nothing has changed.

[Thinking Skins]

1 hour ago, SkinsFTW said:

 

Doesn't sound like he's going to be finding anybody.

 

Its just Rivera, with the guys already here like Kyle Smith, oh and Dan who is supposedly going to sit back and watch the SB trophies pile up.

 

But as SIP likes to predict, if you keep rolling the dice eventually you'll get lucky.

 

Ok then, we will see if Dan can keep himself in check for the first time ever.

 

A lot seems up in the air right now but this is what I kinda got from it too. It seems that he likes the young core and the team we're building but wants to do something similar to what Callahan was doing in building more discipline. If Kyle can be to Rivera what Schneider has been to Carroll, then we have a nice system in place. 

[Jumbo]

19 minutes ago, Monk4thaHALL said:

Nothing has changed.

 

 

you mean that once again we don't have peace on earth and good will towards men even though we did the whole shtick again this year?

 

i want my money back

[Idaho fan]

24 minutes ago, Monk4thaHALL said:

Nothing has changed.

 

Bruce is gone.  A legit Head coach and DC is in place.  If you want more than that while Dan owns the team you are fooling yourself.  This potential is as good as it gets.  If thats not enough for you I highly doubt it will ever be.

[RemoveSnyder]

21 minutes ago, Jumbo said:

you mean that once again we don't have peace on earth and good will towards men even though we did the whole shtick again this year?

 

i want my money back

 

I didn't like that the opening thesis started with (paraphrase) "Dan Snyder studied why teams are successful"  ... and here's the answer: "xxxxxx."

Yeeeaaaaaaaahhh ... No. 

 

Just like I'm not going to ask Sears & GE to build me a super company that's half amazon and half apple, only better. 

 

I also didn't like "Coach centered approach. Player centered culture." I immediately thought of Moss and Portis hanging out in Club Dan per the latter. And per the former, all responsibility into one person's lap, the HC trying to be the improtu GM ... 

 

I've seen that movie, and it sucks.