ntotoro Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, xxprodigyxx said: I am extremely surprised that allen is winning over vinny. i have to assume that this is a recency bias. thinking of all the worst free agent signings, draft picks, and team performance...i can't see how allen is worse than vinny. the only thing i would concede on is that bruce created a more toxic environment...but the magnitude of dysfunction during vinny's tenure would've masked the toxicity. That's exactly why... the levels of toxicity. Vinny was a boob, but relatively harmless. He had one shady moment to me where he basically said Chris Samuels just had to "get over" his ailment, which turned out to be spinal stenosis and caused his retirement. Allen is just slime and stood in front of everyone proclaiming the team was close, all to protect his fiefdom of idiotic nepotism at the expense of the team. Vinny actually thought he was smart. Allen was Simple Jack when Tug Speedman was making the movie, but with a layer of filth and slime on top. The idiot who acts like a jackass on top of it. Vinny was Simple Jack when Tug Speedman was acting the movie as a "prisoner," an idiot who didn't know he was an idiot. Considering the ineptness of both, the vote has to go to the one who is actually harmful and toxic versus the one who is "only" an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoVaSkins21 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Both were yes men, but the hatred for Bruce was so strong amongst the players and fans was way stronger. The guy was such an @SS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Bruce has the team in position to land a coach who would receive four other job offers if he stayed on the market because of the people he has brought in the last three years since taking over for Scot. I know a lot of you will hate this thought, but the ONLY way the Bruce hatred makes ANY sense is if the Alabama Wall, Sweat, Haskins, McLaurin and Guice (and ok, sure, throw a bit of Sims in too) fail so badly that the team needs to be entirely remade in two or three years. Then, sure, Bruce will be the worst ever. However, if we are remotely competitive or even any good in the next three years, it's because of what Bruce left. And a lot of you will owe thanks. If by any stretch we win a Super Bowl with this core you will all need to pitch in to help build the statue to Bruce as our greatest personnel man since Beathard :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSanz Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 In terms of football and contract decisions/moves, I think Vinny was way worse and set the franchise back many years by trading away all of our draft capital. Bruce was a so-so football guy, a shrewd to a fault contract guy (read: Cousins debacle), and just an absolute arrogant egomaniac that had a knack for turning people off with his better-than-thou press conferences. So, overall, Vinny damaged the franchise more but Bruce turned more people and fans off to the franchise. Coin flip - they were both horrible and I'm glad we can now move past both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinthePRF Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Vinny was worse, he picked worse players overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I used to think Vinny was a hair worse. I'd say now Bruce was worse because he doubled down on the dysfunction and made the team even more unlikable than they were with Vinny. I think the issue with this team is not just the losing but the slimy image attached to it. "You loved being there, loved the relationships you had there, but outside the friendships and relationships, you see that, man, it's a toxic place," said former Redskins linebacker Will Compton, who played in Washington from 2013 through 2017. "It's hard to be successful with what goes on and what's allowed. A lot more goes into it than just being a solid team. You've got to endure a lot of s--- at Redskins Park." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: I used to think Vinny was a hair worse. I actually thought that said, I used to think Vinny had worse hair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Vinny's tenure was really bizarre. Fired by Marty. Brought back by Dan who missed him. Turned into an errand boy by Gibbs. Given the keys, I guess, with Zorn. The organizational chart and tone of the operation was really crazy when he was here. Bruce seemed to have pretty straight-forward power. I guess I don't think it's really a fair comparison. Vinny always seemed to be carrying out orders while Bruce seemed to be implementing a vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playaction2Sanders Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Vinnie by miles.. Bruce at least drafted some players we needed and wanted. I'm not blaming him if they didn't work out. Vinnie would ship picks for what? We were a mediocre team at best with him at the helm and we could never restock out roster.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 My vote goes to, can I have a drumroll please? ......Dan “Lord Farquaad” Snyder! By all accounts, he was the one responsible for making a number of our personnel decisions for at least part of this time. Additionally, he was responsible for bringing in these two morons and then not firing them year after year. Hell, he even brought Vinny back. Pure brilliance. i remember after he was fired for the last time asking one of the few Vinny defenders to let me know when he gets another job in the NFL. Nothing but crickets, still.😃 So we’ve had “cash solves cap” and a “damn good culture”. I can only wonder at what comes next. Maybe Lord Farquaad can convince Pepper Rodgers to come out of retirement.🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 11 hours ago, SkinsFTW said: Bruce's teams went 3-13 twice. But we were always close! BTW, I forgot to add that the Redskins have gone 3-13 only 3 times and 2 of them were in the last 7 years. So Doofus Dan and Bumbling Bruce own 2 of the 3 worst Redskins teams in history. (Or at least since the early 60s) Throw in a 4-12. Yeah it's definitely Bruce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I'd have to say Allen. He was better at drafting and acquiring free agents but established such a toxic culture that it undermined the Redskins ability to retain players and undermined the moral of the team which does translate to performance on the field. Far worse than becoming a laughing stock the Redskins became an object of disgust under to Allen (and Snyder). You know it is bad when other fans don't laugh at us (Redskins fans) but pity us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harriet33 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Bruce...just because he's not a nice person! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar1156 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Weren't there plans to build a new team facility? Redskins Park seems like a dump from all accounts. An embarrassment. I'm surprised Dan hasn't addressed this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJHJR86 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Cerrato was a boob and a "yes man", but I never got the impression that as Executive VP he was in charge except for 2003 (pre Gibbs) and 08-09 (when Gibbs retired). Allen was the sole guy in power (outside of Snyder) for a decade, and even when he was supposed to share that power (with Shanahan, Scot M., etc.) he did everything he could to undermine those people and drive them out of the building. I cannot believe people are actually voting for Cerrato over Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 On 12/30/2019 at 12:18 PM, ntotoro said: That's exactly why... the levels of toxicity. Vinny was a boob, but relatively harmless. He had one shady moment to me where he basically said Chris Samuels just had to "get over" his ailment, which turned out to be spinal stenosis and caused his retirement. Allen is just slime and stood in front of everyone proclaiming the team was close, all to protect his fiefdom of idiotic nepotism at the expense of the team. Vinny actually thought he was smart. Allen was Simple Jack when Tug Speedman was making the movie, but with a layer of filth and slime on top. The idiot who acts like a jackass on top of it. Vinny was Simple Jack when Tug Speedman was acting the movie as a "prisoner," an idiot who didn't know he was an idiot. Considering the ineptness of both, the vote has to go to the one who is actually harmful and toxic versus the one who is "only" an idiot. or maybe he just misjudged the talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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