Guest Matt Kyriacou Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 A friend of mine from work told me that there was a little blurb on there about Spurrier still possibly being gone. I know. No big news there. My friend also said that Herm Edwards was mentioned as a possible replacement. IMHO that would be the longest stroke served in our rape of the Jets thus far. BTW Herm, don't forget to bring Abraham with ya. Any truth to this being mentioned on Sportcenter or did my leg just get pulled right from my hip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakkhim Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 There was a blurb about Spurrier on there yesterday and the newscaster said that Spurrier will be in Washington next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 There are a handful of coaches out there that would interest me. Cowher would be good, because he has the kind of fire that might light this team up. I think Cowher wears on teams after a while, but, until he does he'd probably be a good fit. Edwards has crossed my mind. He generally puts out disciplined teams that play above their talent level. But, he may just be TOO nice for us. Given how Edwards has seen some slow starts with the Jets, a slow start here with this team and we're doomed. This team needs confidence that only success can bring. A bad early losing streak here would likely end the season quickly. Other than Cowher there raen't really any other potentially available head coaches I'd necessary say would almost certainly be an immediate improvement. Lots of guys who you could forsee as being better than Spurrier, for sure, but, at this point, unless you really think it's a slam dunk improvement, we probably need to sit tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xanathos19 Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Originally posted by Art There are a handful of coaches out there that would interest me. Cowher would be good, because he has the kind of fire that might light this team up. I think Cowher wears on teams after a while, but, until he does he'd probably be a good fit. Edwards has crossed my mind. He generally puts out disciplined teams that play above their talent level. But, he may just be TOO nice for us. Given how Edwards has seen some slow starts with the Jets, a slow start here with this team and we're doomed. This team needs confidence that only success can bring. A bad early losing streak here would likely end the season quickly. Other than Cowher there raen't really any other potentially available head coaches I'd necessary say would almost certainly be an immediate improvement. Lots of guys who you could forsee as being better than Spurrier, for sure, but, at this point, unless you really think it's a slam dunk improvement, we probably need to sit tight. Agreed ART!!! Do you really think that Cowher's getting the axe in Pittsburgh? If not, does the lateral move rule apply to head coaches like it does to assistants? would Bill actually think about coming here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 I don't know if he will or not Xan. But, it's been rumored before that he was wearing thin over there, and then he had a couple of good years. This year the team seems to be playing without the Cowher attitude and it may be the sort of thing that could become a mutual departing. But, that's merely a guess, nothing I know for certain. I don't know if he'd come here or not. I just think if he happened to be available he's the SORT of coach who might seem to be appropriate for this team as we know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridironmike Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Sportscenter basically said that the Redskins brought in everybody from the Jets last year except Herm Edwards and that Snyder did say Spurrier would be back and that Spurrier said changes will be made but didn't say exactly what changes. Whew! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowtrain Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Edwards remains under contract despite false reports of an out clause. His ability to convince the team to fight for him 2 years in a row, when in both cases they seemed (or now are) out of it, is a testament to him. It really is. But as Art suggests, these chronic slow starts are cause for serious concern, and there are legitimate beefs regarding his clock management, lack of in-game adjustments, refusal to roll the dice on youngsters, and trickle up blame from the decisions of his OC and DC. His overall image portrayed to outsiders is excellent - and from a character and motivational standpoint - well deserved. But like any HC, Herm has his warts too. He's a work in progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TankRizzo Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Originally posted by Art There are a handful of coaches out there that would interest me. Cowher would be good, because he has the kind of fire that might light this team up. I think Cowher wears on teams after a while, but, until he does he'd probably be a good fit. Edwards has crossed my mind. He generally puts out disciplined teams that play above their talent level. But, he may just be TOO nice for us. Given how Edwards has seen some slow starts with the Jets, a slow start here with this team and we're doomed. This team needs confidence that only success can bring. A bad early losing streak here would likely end the season quickly. Other than Cowher there raen't really any other potentially available head coaches I'd necessary say would almost certainly be an immediate improvement. Lots of guys who you could forsee as being better than Spurrier, for sure, but, at this point, unless you really think it's a slam dunk improvement, we probably need to sit tight. In the chance Spurrier isn't here next season I would LOVE to have Cowher here. Anyone who can put together that many winning seasons with a miserly front office has got to be worth something. I also agree w/ your assessment of Edwards, no one here has that kind of patience. I know, dipping back into the Marty era with another re-tread like coughlin could be setup for yet another disaster. What I wish could happen is that we could look around the league and find our own diamond in the rough. Someone like Andy Reid or John Fox. But I don't see that happening. If we were to dip back into the college ranks I would love to see Friedgen given a shot. He is kind of a players coach like Spurrier, but unlike him he also demands a degree of respect and control over the team. He also has NFL experience which is what tips the scales in his favor in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom [Giants fan] Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Art, Now that it is official and Fassel is leaving the Giants after the season, would you be happy if the Skins hired him? Why or Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Originally posted by Tom [Giants fan] Art, Now that it is official and Fassel is leaving the Giants after the season, would you be happy if the Skins hired him? Why or Why not? :laugh: :laugh: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: Your kidding right or are you serious :paranoid: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross3909 Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Fassel is not an upgrade to Spurrier. And if we are not making a serious upgrade than it is not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Brown #43 Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Originally posted by Tom [Giants fan] Now that it is official and Fassel is leaving the Giants after the season, would you be happy if the Skins hired him? Why or Why not? No, because he's Jim Fassel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riggins44 Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Art I believe that if everything fell into place and Herm Edwards came here that he could get us off to a fast start. First he would need to retain Hue Jackson as OC, which would give a comfort level to the offense. I can see Edwards lighting a fire under the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TankRizzo Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Originally posted by riggins44 I can see Edwards lighting a fire under the defense. I'd be happy for it to just LOOK like they all read off of the same playbook :twitch: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riggins44 Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Tom [Giants Fan] I think Fassel is a good motivator and probably a good coach. I think the loss of John Fox and the injuries was his demise. Do you think his loyalty to Tiki Barber hurt? I know Tiki came there around his first year or two, but the fumbles were costly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhardee Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 AND THE PATRICK RAMSEY BEATINGS FOR NEXT YEAR CONTINUES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 The ONLY way we end up with a new HC is if Spurrier resigns. I would love to see that happen but I doubt it will. I don't see him getting the axe because it would send a negative message throughout the league. Dan will have to bite the bullet unless he can convince Spurrier to resign with some type of buyout. As for a potential replacement HC, the most intriguing guy might be Bob Stoops but I'm not crazy about getting another guy from the college ranks. I would definitely interview defensive-minded guys like Tampa Bay's Monte Kiffin and Philly's Jim Johnson as well as Edwards, Dennis Green and Art Shell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom [Giants fan] Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Hmmmm, Fassel has won a couple of division titles, went to a Super Bowl and has a good winning pct. as a coach. But Spurrier is better than he is? Are you guys kidding. This year wasn't even Fassel's fault for the most part. The injuries started to pile on when the Giants were 4-4. Barber fumbled away a couple of games. The special teams blew two games. You guys seriously think Spurrier right now is a better coach than Fassel and he wouldn't be an upgrade over Spurrier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarhog Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 No, I agree with you Tom. Fassel is a good coach. His major mistake was hitching his star to guys like Kerry Collins, Jeremy Shockey, and Tike Barber, all seriously flawed players, all at key positions. They had a down year, and Fassel deserved more compassion in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Originally posted by ross3909 Fassel is not an upgrade to Spurrier. And if we are not making a serious upgrade than it is not worth it. Are you serious? I don't particularly want Fassell as the Skins next head coach, but he's far superior to Spurrier. He's been to a Super Bowl, won division titles, etc. Spurrier hasn't done squat but lose in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Frankly, I think Fassel has been reason numero uno for why the Giants have done ANYthing over the last 4 or 5 years. I think he's a good coach, but I think hiring him now would hurt a team.. I have to think after the beating he has taken at the hands of the NY media, and fans, he may need a year just to lick his wounds. Bill Cowher I would like,,, he is fiery,, he gets a lot out of his teams, and he may be available... but I kinda doubt it,,, the Rooneys are everything Dan Snyder isn't in terms of hiring and firing coaches... loyal to a fault and they probably will keep him. Cowher's main problem is he hitches his wagon to guys who can't get it done, and he continues to believe they will.. ie: Kordell Stewart,, Amos Zereoue... But I'd take him in a NY minute. Jimmy Johnson? Think he'd put up with any lack of control? Frankly, I have always felt his chief skill is motivation and spotting talent,, he has a remarkable eye for it,, and have felt for quite a while he would make a decent GM. However, I never believe that GM /Head Coach should be one man... hell,,, both of them are jobs that are too big for most people,, let alone doing them both,, it creates conflicts of interest. (I believe one reason Michael Westbrook was frozen out of Marty's offense is because Marty didn't want to deal with his incentive bonuses and what they would do to his cap... Besides,, to my knowledge,, no one has ever succeeded holding both jobs, except Shanahan. )That's what inheriting an HOF QB can do for you.. IF we make a head coaching change this offsaeason it HAS to be because Spurrier flat out quits and we MUST bring in an experienced NFL Head coach... no coordinators,,, no college boys... Someone like Cowher. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyGator Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Somebody will likely hire Fassel this year IMO. I would take him over Spurrier at this point, but I think it's too early to judge Spurrier. A lot of coaches would win with Fox as DC for a few years. I think Spurrier will change a lot of minds here next year with a winning team. Fassel did well in bringing back Collins from the dead and developing young players like Hilliard, Toomer and Barber. Plus he's a class act IMO. I wouldn't mind seeing the Skins hire Stoops as DC. He and Spurrier are buddies and worked very well together (dominated their first year at UF). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Originally posted by Tom [Giants fan] Hmmmm, Fassel has won a couple of division titles, went to a Super Bowl and has a good winning pct. as a coach. But Spurrier is better than he is? Are you guys kidding. This year wasn't even Fassel's fault for the most part. The injuries started to pile on when the Giants were 4-4. Barber fumbled away a couple of games. The special teams blew two games. You guys seriously think Spurrier right now is a better coach than Fassel and he wouldn't be an upgrade over Spurrier? Everyone knows Fassel is better, but considering how many better coaches are going to be available, Fassel is at the bottom of the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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