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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
Gibbs Hog Heaven

Disciplined, commitment to the run football back in DC and it works! Who knew?

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3rd down definitely an issue on both sides of the ball. 

 

Only thing IMO that saved this game and kept it close was the weather.  I've sat through bad weather games before but nothing like that.  It was pelting rain on the field in various levels of intensity from hours before the game through the game itself.  You could see that the field was literally a slip and slide mess and the ball was heavy and slippery as heck. 

 

I've seen nothing from Callahan that inspires squat in me  at least not yet-- thus far we got two inept offensive performances.  But I'll give him a break that its early in his tenure.  Small sample size.  And I don't think even Tom Brady would have been piling on points in the deluge today.   If there was a game of hey just run the ball and slog your way through to win -- it would be this game.  But SF was better at the slogging.  I think though the weather gave us a break.  

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

You aren’t going to see any good offensive performances, it doesn’t matter who the coach is. There’s not enough talent.

 

probably so.  But I agree with Les Carpenter here, this was a golden chance.  With all the slop-mud-rain on the field it was the perfect recipe for an upset.  I doubt they get that lucky again but you never know.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/redskins-lose-to-niners-9-0-in-a-sloppy-rain-soaked-game/2019/10/20/04a2a5f4-f36c-11e9-8cf0-4cc99f74d127_story.html

The most important name inside FedEx Field on Sunday was Nestor. This was a tropical storm that roared from the Gulf of Mexico, across the South and close enough to Landover, Md., to drop hours of steady rain onto the turf, turning it into a sloppy plain of puddles and mud, robbing the San Francisco 49ers of their speed and skill.

For the Washington Redskins, Nestor should have been a literal gift from the heavens, bequeathing them a brilliant opportunity to steal victory from one of the best teams in the NFL. Instead, they squandered several chances to score, never taking advantage of San Francisco’s inability to rumble through their defense the way it has through everyone else’s.

 

...The rain kept pouring down, swirling around the stadium’s half-filled tiers, and Washington struggled to take advantage.

 

How about this for a break not seized?

 

 

 

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So last year we were 6-4 and Smith just got hurt and we were going to Dallas on Thur for the NFC east lead. Jay at the time said because it was a short week they would be off Mon and only get a walk in before the game. At the time I was screaming and we went on to lay an egg.

 

Fast forward, the team is 1-6, and Callaghan said the skins would practice Mon and Tue before leaving Wed.

 

Man Jay was such a clown, what were Bruce and Dan thinking hanging on to this guy.

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18 minutes ago, Gibbs828791 said:

So last year we were 6-4 and Smith just got hurt and we were going to Dallas on Thur for the NFC east lead. Jay at the time said because it was a short week they would be off Mon and only get a walk in before the game. At the time I was screaming and we went on to lay an egg.

 

Fast forward, the team is 1-6, and Callaghan said the skins would practice Mon and Tue before leaving Wed.

 

Man Jay was such a clown, what were Bruce and Dan thinking hanging on to this guy.

 

Professionalism. 

 

Little, step-by-step, incremental changes that will eventually turn into big ones if they're adhered to day-in, day-out. 

 

Hail. 

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50 minutes ago, Gibbs828791 said:

 

 

Man Jay was such a clown, what were Bruce and Dan thinking hanging on to this guy.

Birds of a feather flock together.  Capeesh?

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Who cares, this team maybe wins 3 games this year and the organization is run by morons. No minuscule improvements to anything on the field really matter at this point.

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41 minutes ago, Sticksboi05 said:

Who cares, this team maybe wins 3 games this year and the organization is run by morons. No minuscule improvements to anything on the field really matter at this point.

 

*I'm just running with your post as it's a common, recurring theme from many .....

 

Then what is the point of the players and staff playing the games and working hard through the week? What's the point in anyone paying to watch on Sunday's? 

 

If improvement, however big or small, in whatever form, is irrelevant, we may as well just forfeit the rest of the year and close everything down right now. That totally defeats the very essence of a football team. 

 

Really silly thing to say mate that's madly being repeated by many across many threads.

 

The owner is who he is and isn't going anywhere. Allen goes, they'll be some other lapdog through some other 'ism' to Snyder replacing him. That all just is what it is and is out of anyone's control. But if you take the view that you don't want to see improvement within all that on the playing side, which is what really matters, what is the point of even being a fan? 

 

Hail. 

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1 hour ago, Gibbs Hog Heaven said:

 

Professionalism. 

 

Little, step-by-step, incremental changes that will eventually turn into big ones if they're adhered to day-in, day-out. 

 

Hail. 

77 yards passing. #professionalism LOL

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1 hour ago, Gibbs Hog Heaven said:

 

*I'm just running with your post as it's a common, recurring theme from many .....

 

Then what is the point of the players and staff playing the games and working hard through the week? What's the point in anyone paying to watch on Sunday's? 

 

If improvement, however big or small, in whatever form, is irrelevant, we may as well just forfeit the rest of the year and close everything down right now. That totally defeats the very essence of a football team. 

 

Really silly thing to say mate that's madly being repeated by many across many threads.

 

The owner is who he is and isn't going anywhere. Allen goes, they'll be some other lapdog through some other 'ism' to Snyder replacing him. That all just is what it is and is out of anyone's control. But if you take the view that you don't want to see improvement within all that on the playing side, which is what really matters, what is the point of even being a fan? 

 

Hail. 

 

I get what you're saying but this whole "little steps advancing to big steps" thing is hyperbole. They squeaked by a franchise trying to lose and rebuild, and would've lost in OT had they just kicked the extra point. It kept us from being the next 0-16 team, that's about it.

 

The rest of this season is just going through the motions, Callahan is not going to be head coach in 2020 and if Allen isn't fired, we'll lather, rinse, repeat and hope they don't ruin Haskins' career before it starts sadly.

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So I disagree that there isn’t enough talent on offense to be a competent offense.  I’m not suggesting “greatest show on turf” or what the Patriots do, or anything.

 

But there are enough pieces that if you use them properly you can at least be competent.  

 

McLaurin is emerging as a legitimate 1.  AP can still run the ball, and credit to Callahan for running out of sets and formations which compliment APs style.

 

Richardson is a good enough 2 with enough speed to be efficient, and Quinn is somewhere between ok and good. 

 

The left side side of the OL has been ok.  Rouille is ok.  For some reason Scherff has been “meh” and Moses is and has been overrated for years.  But it’s not a catastrophic OL.

 

The big issue is QB. Keenum is physically limited. Colt is meh.  Haskins is ... nobody actually knows.

 

Given the right coaching and play calling, they could get more out of this personnel.  Callahan seems to be an improvement over Jay in some areas.  But overall, this is still a D+ coaching staff coaching C level talent.  

 

 

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1 hour ago, Gibbs Hog Heaven said:

 

But if you take the view that you don't want to see improvement within all that on the playing side, which is what really matters, what is the point of even being a fan? 

 

Just because folks don't believe in this hub-bub you're preaching about this new beginning with Jay gone, doesn't mean they aren't fans.  Everyone has their reasons for liking or disliking parts of or all of this organization.  Some choose to just bail and not say anything at all, others choose to talk about it.  Obviously, you're free to continue trying to find stuff to be excited about just as everyone else is free to not see it the way you do.

 

The fans that are still here want something to believe in.  We convinced ourselves that Scot would work out, that's how badly we want something to believe in.  I think that's a testament to that very fact, that we do indeed want something to believe in.  We just believe differently than some and quite frankly, that's okay.

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With the caveat that 1) it’s been just two games and 2) they were both far from ‘normal’ games (horrendous Fins team that switched to Fitz and got momentum, and a weather crazy game against the Niners)...

 

If Callahan is making a difference in the culture at Ashburn - less lackadaisical practices, practicing on short weeks, bringing in refs to help players avoid penalties, etc. - that is something that can carry over.  Doesn’t mean it will of course.  The next coach and/or the FO could undermine it.  However, I think it’s beneficial to the younger guys and other players that have only had Gruden as a coach to experience some of these differences.  

 

@Gibbs Hog Heaven I think you did a better job in your last post of highlighting that yes, there are major issues with the team, but that the little positive changes you talk about are simply a silver lining to a poor season (and the HC change).  

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If we were to lose the rest of our games this season how would that change our look back at Gruden's years if you throw out this season?

Is Callahan going to make Gruden look bad or will Callahan show that given the talent on this team the Head Coach was not the major problem for this team?

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6 minutes ago, veteranskinsfan said:

If we were to lose the rest of our games this season how would that change our look back at Gruden's years if you throw out this season?

Is Callahan going to make Gruden look bad or will Callahan show that given the talent on this team the Head Coach was not the major problem for this team?

 

Honestly, I'm not sure that does anything for or against Gruden.

 

Gruden had his own set of issues - that given what's come to light, it paints the FO in an even worse light that they let it continue. But given the short nature of Callahan's run as the HC, I don't see any way to really flesh out this thought.

 

I'm not sold on Callahan, but I will admit that I like some things he's doing and they are a welcome change.

 

Officials in practice, having the team practice on a short week, etc.

 

 

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27 minutes ago, veteranskinsfan said:

If we were to lose the rest of our games this season how would that change our look back at Gruden's years if you throw out this season?

Is Callahan going to make Gruden look bad or will Callahan show that given the talent on this team the Head Coach was not the major problem for this team?

I think both of their flaws get put on full display when coaching a team built by the likes of Bruce Allen and Dan Snyder.  

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9 hours ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Just because folks don't believe in this hub-bub you're preaching about this new beginning with Jay gone, doesn't mean they aren't fans.  Everyone has their reasons for liking or disliking parts of or all of this organization.  Some choose to just bail and not say anything at all, others choose to talk about it.  Obviously, you're free to continue trying to find stuff to be excited about just as everyone else is free to not see it the way you do.

 

The fans that are still here want something to believe in.  We convinced ourselves that Scot would work out, that's how badly we want something to believe in.  I think that's a testament to that very fact, that we do indeed want something to believe in.  We just believe differently than some and quite frankly, that's okay.

 

Did I say he wasn’t a fan? 

 

I clearly asked him what the whole point of being a fan is if you don’t take improvement as a positive?

 

Hail.

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Just now, Gibbs Hog Heaven said:

 

Did I say he wasn’t a fan? 

 

I clearly asked him what what the whole point of being a fan is if you don’t take improvement as a positive.

 

The issue is that the improvements you speak of don't register or exist in any capacity for many of us here.  

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3 hours ago, Gibbs Hog Heaven said:

 

 

The owner is who he is and isn't going anywhere. Allen goes, they'll be some other lapdog through some other 'ism' to Snyder replacing him. That all just is what it is and is out of anyone's control. But if you take the view that you don't want to see improvement within all that on the playing side, which is what really matters, what is the point of even being a fan? 

 

 

 

As you may have noticed, a lot of people have seemingly decided there is no point in being a fan. Hence, the attendance, ratings, etc.

 

As for us, I was somewhat out of it the last two years. This year feels historic so I'm back to watch it all finally burn to the ground.

 

But, in the end, it's not the commitment to the run game that matters. Rather, it's the friends we've made along the way.

2 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

So I disagree that there isn’t enough talent on offense to be a competent offense.  I’m not suggesting “greatest show on turf” or what the Patriots do, or anything.

 

But there are enough pieces that if you use them properly you can at least be competent.  

 

McLaurin is emerging as a legitimate 1.  AP can still run the ball, and credit to Callahan for running out of sets and formations which compliment APs style.

 

Richardson is a good enough 2 with enough speed to be efficient, and Quinn is somewhere between ok and good. 

 

The left side side of the OL has been ok.  Rouille is ok.  For some reason Scherff has been “meh” and Moses is and has been overrated for years.  But it’s not a catastrophic OL.

 

The big issue is QB. Keenum is physically limited. Colt is meh.  Haskins is ... nobody actually knows.

 

Given the right coaching and play calling, they could get more out of this personnel.  Callahan seems to be an improvement over Jay in some areas.  But overall, this is still a D+ coaching staff coaching C level talent.  

 

 

 

We have truly horrific QB play, a washed 34 year old RB, no backup RB, a mediocre O-line, no TE, and I really good rookie wide receiver.

 

How are we not 6-1?

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18 hours ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

You aren’t going to see any good offensive performances, it doesn’t matter who the coach is. There’s not enough talent.

 

Hmmmm. Not sure I fully buy this.

 

The left side of the O'Line was the big worry coming into the season. In fact I would argue the left side has been possibly better than the right. Flowers has been a success at LG and Penn has played at least league average as a starter. Injuries to centre and RG disrupted the interior a bit and Moses has been (again) a dissapointment. But overall the line as been at least average - an offense can function with this line.

 

We do need to replace both tackles (IMO) for next season assuming Penn retires and Williams is not coming back - and I really think we need to upgrade Moses.

 

Running backs. AP still has gas in his tank and CT is one of the better 3rd down backs in the league (when healthy - which I accept is a significant caveat). It will interesting to see what Guice offers when he is back after the bye week. Then we have Love on ice for next year as well. There is a lot of talent in that backfield - at a minimum the potential is very good with Guice and Love.

 

TE is a mash unit. We need a new quality starter here and possibly some veteran depth behind that starter.

 

WR. Terry McLaurin is for real. He's a #1 receiver. We got lucky. We just have to keep feeding him the ball. Richardson and Quinn are both averaging under 10 yards a reception opposite him, they are just not getting it done. Harmon and Simms need to be getting long looks at their slots. So WR opposite Terry is absolutely a need right now but we have a real talent in Terry and some potential in Harmon and Simms. Quinn is at least reliable on option routes even if he will do very little after the catch.

 

Then we come to QB. Keenum has put up back to back 3500+ passing yard seasons. He's won 17 games over the last two seasons before coming to Washington. He's not a good starter but he is at least functional. A good coach should be able to design an offense around him that is respectable. Then again a good coach should also be able to get a first round rookie QB ready to play by now as well.

 

So ... a lot of words to say that while we dont have the talent to be say the 91 Redskins offense we should at least be able to function at respectable level with the talent available. I would totally agree that the offense is the side of the ball that needs the most attention in the offseason and a lot is going to depend on the development of Haskins - but I would also argue we have enough talent in house right now to be doing a lot better than we have seen the last three or four weeks.

 

 

 

 

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39 minutes ago, Lombardi's_kid_brother said:

 

As you may have noticed, a lot of people have seemingly decided there is no point in being a fan. Hence, the attendance, ratings, etc.

 

As for us, I was somewhat out of it the last two years. This year feels historic so I'm back to watch it all finally burn to the ground.

 

But, in the end, it's not the commitment to the run game that matters. Rather, it's the friends we've made along the way.

 

We have truly horrific QB play, a washed 34 year old RB, no backup RB, a mediocre O-line, no TE, and I really good rookie wide receiver.

 

How are we not 6-1?

 

AP isn't washed up, and the QB is not horrific.  It might not be shining but it's not horrific.  Because when you have terrible QB play no receiver truly looks good like McLauren does

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1 hour ago, KDawg said:

 

Honestly, I'm not sure that does anything for or against Gruden.

 

Gruden had his own set of issues - that given what's come to light, it paints the FO in an even worse light that they let it continue. But given the short nature of Callahan's run as the HC, I don't see any way to really flesh out this thought.

 

I'm not sold on Callahan, but I will admit that I like some things he's doing and they are a welcome change.

 

Officials in practice, having the team practice on a short week, etc.

 

 

 

Don't forget the fact that Callahan - Thank God - doesn't spend eternity going through the injury report rt after the game & on Mon morning.  I always thought that was Gruden's thinly veiled way of using injuries as an excuse for losses & poor play without actually saying it.  One of his many flaws.

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