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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
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Reality check time.

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14 minutes ago, TommyWilson said:

Reality check... Until Dan dies or sells the team, nothing else matters 

 

Tanking or not tanking is polishing or not polishing the brass on the Titanic

 

There's your reality check 

 

There's a possibility that firing Bruce will be productive but who can say 

If Dan picks up the GM we're screwed, only the NFL ala Giants in the late 70's would work.

6 minutes ago, BurgundyBooger said:

Even if we get the #1 pick, does anyone honestly believe Snyder would resist from making the selection, with all the excitement and media attention that comes with having the 1st overall? If we were talking the 25th pick he probably wouldn't give a **** but a top 5? He's making that call.

He already selected his QB last year, I may have memory lapses but I don't remember him meddling in the top 5 picks for any other player than a QB ?

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7 minutes ago, FrFan said:

He already selected his QB last year, I may have memory lapses but I don't remember him meddling in the top 5 picks for any other player than a QB ?

Well, he'll then have the opportunity to get both Tua and Haskins on the roster!

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27 minutes ago, FrFan said:

If Dan picks up the GM we're screwed, only the NFL ala Giants in the late 70's would work.

He already selected his QB last year, I may have memory lapses but I don't remember him meddling in the top 5 picks for any other player than a QB ?

I mean there's a mathematical chance that he could get lucky and hire someone competent... That's what I meant when I said it's a possibility that replacing Bruce would be an improvement.  It would be a stroke of luck, but any change would be a chance to improve at this point 

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4 hours ago, TommyWilson said:

I mean there's a mathematical chance that he could get lucky and hire someone competent... That's what I meant when I said it's a possibility that replacing Bruce would be an improvement.  It would be a stroke of luck, but any change would be a chance to improve at this point 

Unless you think about it from this perspective.  People thought when Danny finally fired Vinny Cerrato that things would improve.  Probably thinking "change would be a chance to improve "like your thinking. Some of the personnel moves Cerrato made such as: hiring Zorn as OC before he even hired a HC, and then hiring Zorn as HC was completely ignorant.  How he handled Champ Bailey.  And don't get me wrong I loved Portis and he gave the Skins everything he had and was good. But Cerrato traded away in my opinion,  one of the best cornerbacks of all time, all pro, HOFer, and to add insult to injury he threw in a 2nd round pick. Ridiculous.  Haynesworth.  Do I need to say more?  Making DeAngelo Hall at the time the highest paid CB in the league.  Ridiculous. Trading for Jason Taylor right after Philip Daniel went down in trading camp, only to release Taylor a year later and he overpaid for the guy.  When I look at Vinny's time here they gave away so many 3rd round picks for guys that did not work out I lost count.   Jason Campbell - the Skins gave up multiple picks to move up and take him and we know how that turned out. Deion Sanders gave us one year and left with a ton of cash.  There is many more blunder moves from an amateur GM but I can't for the life of me remember. Oh yeah Adam Archuleta. 

 

It is really about the learning curve of Danny isn't  it? Vinny the moron was directed by Dan, who went from thinking well everything is about money.  I can buy a SB with guys that other teams were done with and thinking if he overpaid they would be  loyalty, only to realize he can't make those types of moves, he can't buy one, and those players do not give a **** they just want to get one more possible big pay day and the Skins are it, etc.  So he dumps Vinny and in comes Bruce.  And decides to go from overspending to downright insulting players with his undervaluing and low cash deals.   Because Dan can't find balance.  

 

 So the story is even worse then it was with Vinny...LOL!

 

So do I want the Skins to lose? Usually no but this year? Hell yeah!  Because they need a haul, that I hope they somehow "luck into" to correct some of their most recent blunders, especially the handling of Trent Williams as their latest debacle.  Ridiculous. 

 

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The players and coaches are never going to willingly tank. Even the guys on the Dolphins aren't trying to, even if their FO is.

 

It's not impossible that the current Redskins starting lineup really is the worst in the NFL--no need to tank if that's the case. That alone might make tomorrow's game worth watching.

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On 10/10/2019 at 8:35 AM, bakedtater1 said:

 

Cons..looking like a chump rooting for your supposedly favorite football team to lose on purpose...

 

 

 

On 10/10/2019 at 8:45 AM, bakedtater1 said:

Personally I could easily go for seeing the skins go 0-16 four years in a row just to see snyder pissed off.

 


 

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5 minutes ago, volsmet said:

 


 

I get it I'm confusing..lol.. but I thought summed it up later in the thread in a different post.. I can root for the players and support and cheer on the players that make up the Redskins now but if they lose and continue to lose it's easy for me to take because it's a bigger slap in the face to Snyder lol

Coming at ya live from the Rockies!!!..go get em coach bill!!

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On 10/10/2019 at 8:35 AM, bakedtater1 said:

Let's use this thread to discuss the pros and cons of purposely losing to get a better draft pick. AKA Tanking the season.

 

Pros...there is none..absolutely none.

You can try to argue till you're blue in the face but you will lose.

 

Cons..looking like a chump rooting for your supposedly favorite football team to lose on purpose...

 

I see plenty of folks on here say till snyder is out of the picture...well guess what..until hes out of the picture even draft picks are going to be botched...1st overall 10th,5th,3rd...it dont matter where the skins pick...so, seriously take a step back from the ledge and check your self and question your fan hood. 

 

 

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There was an interesting article in a recent sports illustrated about tanking and whether it's effective in the NFL.  There was a study done a few years back but it was about tanking in the NBA and the results for that there was no improvement over a four year period for the teams that were tanking.  Then consider that NFL rosters are about 4 times larger than NBA rosters so an individual makes even less of an impact, and you would think it would be even less effective in the NFL. 

 

The study showed success was attributed  to nailing the picks you do have (duh), even if they are lower and you have fewer. The warriors, for example, have built a dynasty without any of those guys being a top 5 pick.

 

So not only have the Redskins had a mediocre record in recent years and not had a top pick, they also have a buffoon in Bruce Allen running the show.  They really have nothing going for them to turn it around.  That's why they are in this predicament.

 

The dolphins are in prime position to turn their franchise around.  Not only will they most likely have a top-three pick next year, one of three first rounders, but the number of first and second round picks of the next two drafts is amazing.  But that alone means little. It's all about whether or not you have a competent front office to get value out of those selections.  

 

The SI article also highlighted about how tanking can destroy your culture in the locker room (also duh).  It also mentioned an aspect I hadn't really thought of before, but how you got to feel bad for those linebackers on any tanking team, because with them losing pretty much every game they have a battering ram running back running down hill at them 30 times a game.  By December, it's amazing some of these guys can still walk.  I hope Holcomb isn't beaten to a pulp by the end of the year.

 

While it's obviously all about getting the best front office structure to get the best value out of our draft picks no matter where we are drafting, for me personally, I'm hoping the Redskins can get a top pick in the upcoming draft.  While I want the future of the Redskins to have a positive culture built around some of the young bama boys and Haskins / McLaurin etc, I also wouldn't mind to see the Redskins playing predominantly younger lineups (Haskins aside), to get them experience and gauge whether they can be a player for us.  If they lose most or all of those games, so be it.  We have a better evaluation of our players and a higher pick.  If only we could convince the last guy on earth that doesn't realize Bruce needs to go.  

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5 hours ago, Vanguard said:

A top draft pic doesn’t guarantee anything.  It just gives you hope, that’s all.

Hope? We haven't been able to use that word since Joe Gibbs came back. 

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3 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

Hope? We haven't been able to use that word since Joe Gibbs came back. 

Rg3 gave us an ounce of hope for a split second, then all hope was lost once again.

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11 hours ago, FrFan said:

I'd rather start by building the OL, then I would select a QB which won't have to run for his life when on the field. I would also trade Norman, and Trent (a 1st would be a minimum), maybe we can do most of that in one draft assuming we would pick right, but it's still a long shot.

Fair strategy. But you dont build the OL with number one overall pick. You pick a QB with that pick. I think the point is mute anyways. This team is horrifyingly bad. But still not as bad as Miami. We will win a couple of games. 

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While tanking has its drawbacks ie negative, losing culture in locker room and disgruntled fanbase, trading any declining player with any trade value has very little downside.  Some fans may be pissed to see a kerrigan type walk, but those frustrations are relatively short lived.  

 

The Redskins have absolutely nothing to lose, and draft picks to gain, by trading five or so players, but are too stupid to realize it.

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1 hour ago, KillBill26 said:

While tanking has its drawbacks ie negative, losing culture in locker room and disgruntled fanbase, trading any declining player with any trade value has very little downside.  Some fans may be pissed to see a kerrigan type walk, but those frustrations are relatively short lived.  

 

The Redskins have absolutely nothing to lose, and draft picks to gain, by trading five or so players, but are too stupid to realize it.

 

Absolutely agree.

 

I'd trade Williams, Norman, Kerrigan and Scherff for the best possible deals we can get right now. Reed (IR) will have to retire/be cut in the offseason. I'd listen to offers for any other player, but I'd aggressively try to trade those 4.

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All this talk of tanking had me looking back at a thread I put up back in 2011 wanting the same for Luck/ RGIII. 

 

Yeah, THAT went well. 

 

It makes interesting reading as to conflicting views then and now- 

 

 

Hail. 

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1 hour ago, Gibbs Hog Heaven said:

All this talk of tanking had me looking back at a thread I put up back in 2011 wanting the same for Luck/ RGIII. 

 

Yeah, THAT went well. 

 

It makes interesting reading as to conflicting views then and now- 

 

 

Hail. 


just want to point out how right I was about Landry Jones. :ols:

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Sorry, just not wired that way.  I always pull for my teams to win and never want to see them lose.  In March Madness, I always pick UNC to win it (I'm a fan) and I always pick the ACC teams to win.  Not always logical but can't bring myself to pick against any team I'm pulling for.  So, I'm always pulling for the 'skins to win and always expect them to win.  Just can't bring myself to pull for other teams.

 

Pro: None

Con: get better draft prospect but lose your soul in the process.

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I actually think the Redskins will rebound a bit from the terrible start and win possibly 5-6 games 

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6 minutes ago, c slag said:

I actually think the Redskins will rebound a bit from the terrible start and win possibly 5-6 games 

I hope not. This will have retard Bruce believing we are close again because we went around .500 with our new coach.Then he'll allege everything was Gruden's fault and if he fired Gruden sooner we would be a playoff team. 

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Daniel Snyder is now 55 years old. He’s owned the franchise for 20+ years. He’s recently traded for McNabb, traded a Herschel Walkers bevy of picks for RGIII only to undermine his head coach because he was pals with RG. Threw Kirk Cousins out, and according to most dictated another QB draft pick. Dwayne Haskins (God bless him cause he ain’t gonna win here) who isn’t ready for prime time. But I guess they’ll have a nice thanksgiving dinner???

 

Daniel Snyder will never win anything. ergo, neither will we.

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1 hour ago, Birdlives said:

Daniel Snyder is now 55 years old. He’s owned the franchise for 20+ years. He’s recently traded for McNabb, traded a Herschel Walkers bevy of picks for RGIII only to undermine his head coach because he was pals with RG. Threw Kirk Cousins out, and according to most dictated another QB draft pick. Dwayne Haskins (God bless him cause he ain’t gonna win here) who isn’t ready for prime time. But I guess they’ll have a nice thanksgiving dinner???

 

Daniel Snyder will never win anything. ergo, neither will we.

Dont forget trading for Alex Smith u know that was right up his alley as well, probably was at the game vs the chiefs in 2018 like hmmm i like him bruce go get em...yah he will never win and we wont either took me 20+ years to realize this but nah not getting duped anymore

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3 hours ago, CjSuAvE22 said:

Dont forget trading for Alex Smith u know that was right up his alley as well, probably was at the game vs the chiefs in 2018 like hmmm i like him bruce go get em...yah he will never win and we wont either took me 20+ years to realize this but nah not getting duped anymore


When you use Alex Smith as your pivotal turning point you’re doing something wrong. 

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