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It's pretty cool that it seems like a lot of players outside the organization seem to like Dwayne. I think he might have even thrown to Sterling Shepard this offseason lol. Can you imagine how weird it would be if Daniel Jones was throwing to Terry McLaurin during the summer? 

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God, if Dan gets the QB thing right by overruling “the football people” and finally hired the right coach and staff, he’s going to be insufferable.  Probably only to his wife because he never talks to us.  But Tonya is going to have to put up with self congratulation every night.

 

I hope she suffers that fate, honestly. :P 

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26 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

God, if Dan gets the QB thing right by overruling “the football people” and finally hired the right coach and staff, he’s going to be insufferable.  Probably only to his wife because he never talks to us.  But Tonya is going to have to put up with self congratulation every night.

 

I hope she suffers that fate, honestly. :P 

 

Yeah the way I see it as every blind squirrel finds an acorn once in awhile and boy is Dan due to finally find an acorn. 

 

The dude has got so many things wrong.  I know supposedly he was a Santana over Rod Gardner guy and was supposedly insufferable over that.  But otherwise almost every trade he's made has been a bust.  Jeff George over Brad Johnson.  He supposedly drove the Patrick Ramsey pick.  His scouts supposedly wanted Jordy Nelson but Dan loved himself some Malcolm Kelly.   Chased John Schneider out of the building for Vinny Cerrato. Supposedly he was the driving force for the McNabb trade.

 

Then we got his ideas that supposedly were foiled.  Man crush on Brady Quinn.  Wanted Mark Sanchez but fortunately we got outbid for him.  Wanted Chad Johnson for two first rounders, etc.

 

But yeah as for Haskins if you buy into what the beat guys have suggested.  Haskins was Dan's baby.  The scouts on the team (and one beat guy said that included Kyle) graded Haskins as a 2nd rounder and didn't want him at that pick.  So if Haskins does pan out, I got to give it to Dan for getting one right for a change.  And I admit it's a big one to get right.  But like I said he's due since he has 20 years of screws ups.  You'd figure after all this time he was due for some random good luck. 😀

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20 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Supposedly he was the driving force for the McNabb trade.

 

Ugh, don't remind me.  I remember playfully trading barbs with an Eagles fan friend about how while our QB was slow to develop (Campbell), at least he wasn't washed up like theirs.  And he made no argument about McNabb being washed.  Aaaannndd then a few days later we trade for McNabb.  I remember letting out an audible "Ooohh noooo" when I saw the news.  Next time I saw that friend, he honestly felt bad for me.  No jokes from him, just a shaking of his head and "I'm sorry".  That was rough.

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26 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

... as for Haskins if you buy into what the beat guys have suggested - Haskins was Dan's baby.  The scouts on the team (and one beat guy said that included Kyle) graded Haskins as a 2nd rounder ...

 

 

Acknowledging the popular narrative is to **** on the Haskins pick … and certainly not defending Snyder (if true) … but seems to be probable revisionist history by the "beat guys".  

 

Not saying that the 'Skins didn't project in the 2nd … but the overwhelming consensus/projections of the "experts" (lol) … at the time … was that Haskins was definitely an early 1st round talent.  

 

14 of these 20 had him in the Top 11 … and as high as 5.  (espn behind a firewall).   All but the WaPo had him in the Top 17.    Just sayin'. 

 

 

NBC Sports had at 11.  https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/2019-nfl-mock-draft-210-will-nick-bosa-steal-no-1-overall-pick-kyler-murray#slide-14

CBS Sports had at 15.  https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/nfl-mock-draft-2019-broncos-trade-back-into-first-round-for-drew-lock-raiders-start-with-two-defensive-upgrades/ 

PFF projected at 6.   https://www.pff.com/news/draft-pff-2019-nfl-mock-draft-5-rounds-1-3

NFL.com Chad Reuter had him at 9.  https://www.nfl.com/news/chad-reuter-2019-seven-round-nfl-mock-draft-round-1-0ap3000001027100

NFL.com Daniel Jeremiah had him at 15.  https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2019-nfl-mock-draft-4-0-redskins-land-haskins-0ap3000001027778

Bleacher Reports Chris Roling had him at 6.   https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2826720-2019-nfl-mock-draft-1st-round-picks-projections-for-most-impactful-prospects

Bleacher Reports Matt Miller had him at 6.   https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2827208-2019-nfl-mock-draft-matt-millers-latest-3-round-picks-with-one-month-to-go

Business Insiders "expert" had him at 11.   https://www.businessinsider.com/2019-nfl-mock-draft-consensus-first-round-2019-4#11-cincinnati-bengals-dwayne-haskins-qb-ohio-state-11

USA Today had him going 11.    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2019/04/25/nfl-mock-draft-2019-final-kyler-murray-dwayne-haskins/3566699002/

Draftwire/USA Today also 11.  https://draftwire.usatoday.com/2019/04/17/2019-nfl-mock-draft-kyler-murray-dwayne-haskins-nick-bosa-quinnen-williams-ed-oliver/3/

Walter Football had him going 15.   https://www.walterfootball.com/draft2019.php

Washington Post had at 24.   https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/04/24/final-nfl-mock-draft-projections-all-first-round-picks/

ProFootball Draft had him at 15.  https://profootballdraft.com/2019-nfl-mock-draft/

The Draft Network had him at 17.   https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/marino--final-2019-nfl-mock-draft

24/7 Sports had him at 6.  https://247sports.com/ContentGallery/2019-NFL-Mock-Draft-129780592/#129780592_6

SB Nation had him at 6.  https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/1/21/18189900/2019-nfl-mock-draft-rumors-kyler-murray-drew-lock-nick-bosa-daniel-jones

Sporting News had him at 5.   https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-mock-draft-2019-redskins-giants-qbs-raiders-bama-defense/1x5vfu4g7y5531gct8wyqy53xh

The Huddle had him at 10.   https://thehuddle.com/2019/04/24/2019-nfl-mock-draft/

Draftsite had him at 11.   https://www.draftsite.com/nfl/mock-draft/2019/

Athlon Sports had him at 11.  https://athlonsports.com/nfl/2019-nfl-mock-draft-first-round-predictions-updated-scouting-combine

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1 hour ago, 09 said:

 

 

Acknowledging the popular narrative is to **** on the Haskins pick … and certainly not defending Snyder (if true) … but seems to be probable revisionist history by the "beat guys".  

 

Not saying that the 'Skins didn't project in the 2nd … but the overwhelming consensus/projections of the "experts" (lol) … at the time … was that Haskins was definitely an early 1st round talent.  

 

14 of these 20 had him in the Top 11 … and as high as 5.  (espn behind a firewall).   All but the WaPo had him in the Top 17.    Just sayin'. 

 

 

You rightfully goof (as do many scouts do when quoted in different articles) about the draft media "experts" but then also use it to justify Haskins draft position?  The ex-Eagle personnel guy also said they had him ranked outside the first round.  Clearly not every team sees prospects the same. 

 

I doubt Kyle Smith gives a rats behind what Kiper or whatever media draft guys thinks about Haskins. They do their own evaluations.  Scott McLaughlin among others laughed when asked if he pays attention to the media-draftnik types and said no.

 

It certainly wasn't revisionist history.  I recall the conversation on Sheehan's podcast with Keim right before the draft on said subject.  There was plenty of talk about it from others, too -- before the draft with both national and local reporters.  There have been plenty of discussion on this very thread on the same subject early on.  So this isn't a new topic-narrative.  It's old news. 

 

I prefer optimism right now about Dwayne versus reliving that stuff.  But if you go back you'll find the articles and plenty of discussion about it.  😀

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

You rightfully goof (as do many scouts do when quoted in different articles) about the draft media "experts" but then also use it to justify Haskins draft position?  

 

 

Not justifying … demonstrating an overwhelming consensus by supposedly dialed in NFL sportswriters as to Haskins abilities.  

 

 

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

I prefer optimism right now about Dwayne … 

 

 

Fair enough.  Me too.  🍺🍺

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Haskins May turn out to be a bum, but whoever had him graded as a 2nd round talent is questionable, even my laymen eye can see has 1st round abilities. 
 

Edit: meaning now, I had no clue of the dude coming into the draft. I have no ability to grade college players, but Haskins is a supremely gifted dude that warranted a 1st round pick. 

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2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

You rightfully goof (as do many scouts do when quoted in different articles) about the draft media "experts" but then also use it to justify Haskins draft position?  The ex-Eagle personnel guy also said they had him ranked outside the first round.  Clearly not every team sees prospects the same. 

 

I doubt Kyle Smith gives a rats behind what Kiper or whatever media draft guys thinks about Haskins. They do their own evaluations.  Scott McLaughlin among others laughed when asked if he pays attention to the media-draftnik types and said no.

 

It certainly wasn't revisionist history.  I recall the conversation on Sheehan's podcast with Keim right before the draft on said subject.  There was plenty of talk about it from others, too -- before the draft with both national and local reporters.  There have been plenty of discussion on this very thread on the same subject early on.  So this isn't a new topic-narrative.  It's old news. 

 

I prefer optimism right now about Dwayne versus reliving that stuff.  But if you go back you'll find the articles and plenty of discussion about it.  😀

 

You're right that he probably received a 2nd round grade from many teams around the league, including from our "football guys".  But digging deeper into the reasoning - namely, how raw he was as a prospect, with such a limited sample size - it doesn't bother me at all that we took him in the 1st, and I'm sure a lot of other franchises in our position would have done the same. Not all 2nd round grades are created the same.  It's one thing to have a 2nd round grade on a prospect who is a senior with 3-4 years of starting experience as a college QB.  In that case, the 2nd round grade is likely due to either a low ceiling prospect or a high ceiling prospect who has proven he can't fix his flaws.  For Dwayne, my understanding is the 2nd round grades were mostly due to his lack of reps.  That's a smart 1st round gamble IMO, considering the other options available.

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11 hours ago, 09 said:

 

 

Not justifying … demonstrating an overwhelming consensus by supposedly dialed in NFL sportswriters as to Haskins abilities.  

 

 

I am not sure I take those sports writers that seriously when it comes to QBs, They get that position wrong a ton.  It's almost comical.   I don't think their opinion is even relevant.   And I've heard enough from scouts talking on the record that they don't care what the draft media guys think either and most of these guys aren't respected by them. 

 

I can post articles from some draft geeks who loved Drew Lock, some of whom thought he was the best or 2nd best QB in the draft.  Plenty had him top 10 or top 15.  Yet he dropped to the 2nd.  Plenty of examples like that of projected players by the media geeks and where the players actually fall in the draft

 

Still does that mean they were wrong and NFL teams got it right?  Personally I don't think so.  Will see. And vice versa.  There is a crapshoot element at times to getting the QB right.  Shanny explained it before (Arians hits it in his book) that you don't often know about a QB based on college alone, you got to have him in your building for a while to figure it out.  I am typically interested in the draft geeks take purely for entertainment purposes or for the rare time when they say this is what they are hearing NFL teams think.  

 

Plenty of stuff like that below.  Clausen actually fell to the 2nd.  I think we got more misses if anything than hits from media types about QBs in the draft.  

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/19/mcshay-kiper-draw-their-final-battle-lines-on-jimmy-clausen/

Said Kiper, “If Clausen’s not a successful starting quarterback in the NFL, I’m done.”  

 

None of this is to disparage Haskins.  I like his off season and his potential at the moment.  But I am not challenging Kyle Smith or a good rep GM about ANY player based on whether it fits the consensus of the draft media geeks.  Haskins had his naysayers in the mix of the soup.   I posted some of that way back.  I am not reposting it.  But I recall not every dude including media draft geeks were infatuated with him.   Doesn't really mean anything though.

 

My optimism about Haskins is driven by how hard he's working now.  Whether its Shanny, Gibbs, Arians, they all agree that work ethic is the key as for whether a talented QB succeeds.  And they'd seen talented players fail when they don't work hard.  There were some questions about Haskins on that front last year.  But it looks like he's done a 180, which is awesome.

 

10 hours ago, HTTRDynasty said:

 

You're right that he probably received a 2nd round grade from many teams around the league, including from our "football guys".  But digging deeper into the reasoning - namely, how raw he was as a prospect, with such a limited sample size - it doesn't bother me at all that we took him in the 1st, and I'm sure a lot of other franchises in our position would have done the same. Not all 2nd round grades are created the same.  It's one thing to have a 2nd round grade on a prospect who is a senior with 3-4 years of starting experience as a college QB.  In that case, the 2nd round grade is likely due to either a low ceiling prospect or a high ceiling prospect who has proven he can't fix his flaws.  For Dwayne, my understanding is the 2nd round grades were mostly due to his lack of reps.  That's a smart 1st round gamble IMO, considering the other options available.

 

The point wasn't whether they were justified in the grade.  A poster challenged the idea that it was Dan who was the dude pushing the pick.  My response was there was plenty of evidence from locals and nationals that it was Dan.  Forgetting who was the dude (maybe Keim but I could be wrong) who said Dan would tell people Haskins is the best player in college during that college season among other narratives.  Also plenty of narratives that the Redskins scouts, including Kyle had him graded as a 2nd rounder.  Cooley is no dummy, he graded him as a 2nd rounder. 

 

Does that mean anything to the bottom line?  Nope.  Guys get it wrong at QB all the time.  Scouts have said it's the hardest position in sports to evaluate.  If we listen to Kiper now, Daniel Jones is the next stud QB and Haskins is headed to being a bust.  They all have their quirky opinions. 

 

I was simply agreeing with @Voice_of_Reason that Dan will be insufferable if Haskins pans out because there are lots of evidence that Haskins was his dude and he pushed this.   I even said last year that Haskins being Dan's guy doesn't turn me off to his potential.  Yes Dan's instincts clearly stink and especially as to QBs.  But how many times can one dude get it wrong?  Dan is due for some random good luck.  And I don't mean that sarcastically.   

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5 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

The point wasn't whether they were justified in the grade.  A poster challenged the idea that it was Dan who was the dude pushing the pick.  My response was there was plenty of evidence from locals and nationals that it was Dan.  Forgetting who was the dude (maybe Keim but I could be wrong) who said Dan would tell people Haskins is the best player in college during that college season among other narratives.  Also plenty of narratives that the Redskins scouts, including Kyle had him graded as a 2nd rounder.  Cooley is no dummy, he graded him as a 2nd rounder. 

 

Does that mean anything to the bottom line?  Nope.  Guys get it wrong at QB all the time.  Scouts have said it's the hardest position in sports to evaluate.  If we listen to Kiper now, Daniel Jones is the next stud QB and Haskins is headed to being a bust.  They all have their quirky opinions. 

 

I was simply agreeing with @Voice_of_Reason that Dan will be insufferable if Haskins pans out because there are lots of evidence that Haskins was his dude and he pushed this.   I even said last year that Haskins being Dan's guy doesn't turn me off to his potential.  Yes Dan's instincts clearly stink and especially as to QBs.  But how many times can one dude get it wrong?  Dan is due for some random good luck.  And I don't mean that sarcastically.   

 

Honestly, I wasn't really responding to your point as I agree with your main point.  Just putting my own thoughts out there about the whole "2nd round grade" thing that keeps coming up.

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16 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:

 

Honestly, I wasn't really responding to your point as I agree with your main point.  Just putting my own thoughts out there about the whole "2nd round grade" thing that keeps coming up.

 

OK, cool.  I don't find the 2nd round grade relevant really for Haskins or any QB for better or worse.  So many of these dudes get it wrong about QBs.  And so many QBs exceed their pre-draft status or do a heck of a lot worse than their pre-draft status once they hit the NFL. 

 

Shanny explains it well which is that you don't really know including scouts until the QB is in the building and you can see them up close and how they go about their business, etc. 

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On 7/25/2020 at 9:42 AM, -JB- said:

I’ll take it next level.  I’m not taking any QB seriously who would even for a second consider that hairdo LOL

 

 

On 7/26/2020 at 7:02 PM, Vanguard said:

I’m not too excited about Dwayne’s hair in that picture either.  But he’s in waaay better shape this year.  Like he could play basketball almost.

 

First of all, I'm a 43 year old ginger with a receding hair line and wished my hair looked as cool as that. Second of all, am I the only one that finds these comments slightly off putting? Who cares what his hair looks like? It frankly comes off, at least to some small degree, as dog whistling. 

 

 

 

 

I'm glad has been getting in shape. I hope he has a great season. 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Anselmheifer said:

 

 

 

First of all, I'm a 43 year old ginger with a receding hair line and wished my hair looked as cool as that. Second of all, am I the only one that finds these comments slightly off putting? Who cares what his hair looks like? It frankly comes off, at least to some small degree, as dog whistling. 

 

 

 

 

 

Dog whistling lol Damn, you’re right man.  It’s 2020 there’s no room for making fun of a guys hair anymore.  Thanks for the wake up call bro! 🙄

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19 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Yeah the way I see it as every blind squirrel finds an acorn once in awhile and boy is Dan due to finally find an acorn. 

Yeah, I will change your analogy a little bit: the problem is Dan wasn't a blind squirrel, he was a squirrel who had perfect eye sight and looked in the wrong places.  Then when he saw a rusted bolt on the ground, he would immediately run to it and start chewing on it thinking it was an acorn, knocking out all of his teeth in the process.

 

He wasn't just blindly looking for things and not finding them. He was actively causing himself (and by extension) the organization issues with blatant stupidity.  

 

 

19 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

But yeah as for Haskins if you buy into what the beat guys have suggested.  Haskins was Dan's baby.  The scouts on the team (and one beat guy said that included Kyle) graded Haskins as a 2nd rounder and didn't want him at that pick.  So if Haskins does pan out, I got to give it to Dan for getting one right for a change.  And I admit it's a big one to get right.  But like I said he's due since he has 20 years of screws ups.  You'd figure after all this time he was due for some random good luck. 😀

So, there could be 2 possibilities: 

1. (to extend the analogy), he continued looking in the wrong place in the middle of an empty field with no trees, and happened to find an acorn somebody else dropped, and got lucky.

2. After getting his teeth knocked out for 20 years trying to eat rusted bolts, he actually learned he was going about things the wrong way, and looked in the right place.

 

Now, I personally believe it's most likely #1, but there is a chance Dan has actually learned something along the way.  Shrug.  It's possible.  Unlikely, but possible.  

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6 hours ago, Alcoholic Zebra said:

In the football world, if the hair isn't long enough to be noticeable while wearing a helmet...does it even count as hair?

 

Clay Matthews had hair.  Steven Jackson had hair.  Larry Fitzgerald has hair.  But once the helmet goes on they stop having hair if you can't see it.

So Riggo didn't have a mohawk?

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