FAREWELL to the NFL Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

[zCommander]

4 hours ago, actorguy1 said:

Haskins scored 25 on the Wonderlic. 5 points higher than Kyler Murray and one less than Drew Lock. He is not Dyslexic and he is not uneducated. That leaves one possibility, a super dense, super wordy playbook from Jay Gruden along with poor teaching. 

 

Gruden's 700 pages playbook will make anyone come down with dyslexia.

[carex]

1 hour ago, skinsmania123 said:

Exactly!  There has been little to no turnover in NFL draft rooms.   And so my point is that they are drafting the best QB's to lead their teams. So look at all the teams and see who their starting QB's are.

 

How about making  a thumbs down or angry face reply available mods?

 

How many fans here are drafting people?  How many of the draft experts on TV are actually drafting people?  Even the scouts on NFL teams aren't directly responsible for drafting people.  They're just making recommendations.  And how many recommendations for black QBs say things like maybe be better suited for WR or RB.  Then compare the number of white QB who get that advice

[CommanderInTheRye]

Add this highly questionable but nevertheless incendiary nugget from today's Florida Sun Sentinel to the ever growing bonfire of the inanities engulfing our team's draft:

 

New coach Ron Rivera told Tagovailoa he wants to bring him to Washington to compete with second-year quarterback Dwayne Haskins during their meeting at the NFL combine, a source told the South Florida Sun Sentinel.

“They felt like Dwayne was not the guy right now,” the source said. “They want to bring in Tua, just get it going and compete.”

 

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-draft-dolphins-redskins-combine-20200229-6qqfd6lnuvddbf2arrsgekbvvq-story.html

 

[joeken24]

I am not hating. Full disclosure, I've got money. But this does bother me. I really think his agent is doing him a disservice under the current narrative surrounding him at this stage of his career. This may have been a reasonable piece after a stellar year. But some of this reminds me of RGIII and how some of the PR glitches caused his public opinion to shift. Not to mention this is a different type of video than GQ Sports normally plays. Just seems to be an agenda here. Haskins is in no way at the level of any other person interviewed on GQ Sports. I mean what the **** has he done? I really think his dumb ass agent is so focused on money, that he is stirring Haskins' into a short ****ing career. Now if Haskins balls out next year and beyond, great. I hope that happens. I also hope Ron will positively influence him into manhood. I just don't think you'd ever see McClaurin doing a video like this. Haskins just strike me as a guy that's a bit naive to grown ****. Doesn't make him a bad person. But it does open him up to sharks and there are many!

 

[JamesMadisonSkins]

@joeken24 thanks for posting that. I had total opposite reaction though. Clearly it’s a piece by Goldman Sachs. It’s a produced feature he was likely approached for. And i think it was really cool. He’s a 22 year old Dude and has a really mature air about him. It was a nice piece. Not sure how you draw anything negative from it? 

[Gibbs828791]

God move on from this 15 year old. This is about rebuilding with Ron and not about next year. I would of loved Chase at 2 but our stupid owner screwed us once again last year. Either sign a guy like Carr or draft one at 2.

 

Man it sucks we have to pass on Chase!

[joeken24]

4 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

@joeken24 thanks for posting that. I had total opposite reaction though. Clearly it’s a piece by Goldman Sachs. It’s a produced feature he was likely approached for. And i think it was really cool. He’s a 22 year old Dude and has a really mature air about him. It was a nice piece. Not sure how you draw anything negative from it? 

I wouldn't say negative. I'm just looking at it from a PR standpoint. And like I said, GQ could have interviewed the rookie of the year. They could have interviewed the 1st pick overall. How did the 15th pick that hasn't played a full season and not made an impact end up in GQ/Goldman Sachs? Take a look at all the videos on GQ's page. Every one of the videos show accomplished people. Hell, if GQ wanted to show his mature side, surely they would not have shown him spending most of his first year money on doodads. But hey, I'm 55 what do I know.

[Gibbs828791]

A "mature air about him" OOOKKK David Mulugheta ...giimmme a break there isnt anything mature about this guy...selfie anyone!!!

 

I will be jumping up and down and laughing when Ron drafts a QB 2nd. I would pay 50 bucks to get into a party at a bowling alley to see Dwayne implode!

[JamesMadisonSkins]

Man. You guys are letting your biases show. 

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38 minutes ago, Gibbs828791 said:

God move on from this 15 year old. This is about rebuilding with Ron and not about next year. I would of loved Chase at 2 but our stupid owner screwed us once again last year. Either sign a guy like Carr or draft one at 2.

 

Man it sucks we have to pass on Chase!

 

if it's about rebuilding with Ron and we're doomed without a new QB then we can draft one next year with our early draft pick

[ggarriso]

1 hour ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

has a really mature air about him.

 

you HAVE to be kidding 

 

1 hour ago, Gibbs828791 said:

I would pay 50 bucks to get into a party at a bowling alley to see Dwayne implode!

 

$100 but Daddy will let you take a "Selfie" infront of the Haskins & Haskins Simba backdrop ;)

 

[skinny21]

@JamesMadisonSkins Yeah, had the same reaction as you.  I expected it to be really cringeworthy, but he was sincere, well spoken, and forthright... and yes, he came across in a mature manner.  
 

Liked the line about “if it’s something that will help you move your life forward...”

[volsmet]

If we offer Rivers, we have the wrong man in charge.

 

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

9 minutes ago, volsmet said:

If we offer Rivers, we have the wrong man in charge.

 

Would definitely be a headscratcher and would probably be followed by the drafting of Tua and the trading of Dwayne...Hoping it’s just a terrible rumor put out by PR’s agent. I Would question it all.

[joeken24]

First off, I believe Haskins is going to be a helluva player. Those wishing him anything less.....we lets just say I normally get banned for replying to them, because I kinda know where it comes from. So I'll be like Marshawn and keep quiet on that bull**** so I don't get banned....

 

Now.....I would never hate on a young man trying to move forward. Period. I'm not saying by any stretch that Haskins is a bad kid. I'm saying that there are sharks in this game and I hope he doesn't miss out on a long prosperous career because of those sharks. All money ain't good money. In his world (and really in most people's world), perception is reality. Once a perception takes root, its takes a while for that narrative to change. Right now, Haskins is deemed as immature. You hear Ron saying he needs to mature. If Dwayne wants that perception to change, there are probably a number of appearances he should think twice before taking. We'll see if this is one of them. Look, I have a son the same age. He still has a lot to learn as well. There are things he doesn't see that I do. It doesn't make him bad. It just makes him inexperience and thus vulnerable to assholes seeking to exploit his inexperience. I hope Haskins has knowledgeable people that have his best interest at heart and are helping to direct his path with integrity. I also hope Haskins has the wherewithal to listen and chart his path knowing what he's up against. Bottom line, the hope is that he doesn't simply have an air (as you spelled it) of maturity. Its a matter of simply being mature. There is no question that McClaurin is mature, right? That's where we need Haskins. No question. We all know and seen what this business does with immature players. They leave the game broke, disregarded and on some what-if 30for30 show. Some won't get that, but its cool. I will say that if Dwayne wins football games, he'll be ok. If he doesn't, he will have a shorter career than his immature counterpart in Cleveland, Miami and maybe a couple other spots we never really deep dive into.

 

 

[Going Commando]

1 hour ago, skinny21 said:

@JamesMadisonSkins Yeah, had the same reaction as you.  I expected it to be really cringeworthy, but he was sincere, well spoken, and forthright... and yes, he came across in a mature manner.  
  

Liked the line about “if it’s something that will help you move your life forward...” 

 

He's a smart, well spoken guy who speaks very intentionally.  All of this ****ing gossip about him has been ugly.

[joeken24]

6 hours ago, SumTingWong said:

Add this highly questionable but nevertheless incendiary nugget from today's Florida Sun Sentinel to the ever growing bonfire of the inanities engulfing our team's draft:

 

 

 

Really? Like the Giants telling Haskins they wanted him last year? This is lying season son

Ron is a man of integrity until he's conducting some draft gamesmanship **** bro

[Going Commando]

14 hours ago, BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 said:

I know ES is an older crowd but it’s 2020, guys. Anybody you pick uses social media. Tweeting is normal. And honestly they both tweet generalities more than anything so it’s not that big a deal. 
 

In fact, our current HC and DC both have twitter and tweet similarly. 

 

It's part of the culture of the normal NFL player.  They tweet out general motivational stuff like that all the time.  They grind very hard and have to keep up their motivation and confidence and saying mantras like that helps them.  This might shock some people to hear, but being an NFL player is brutally difficult.

 

I will never truly understand why the NFL has so many die-hard fans who understand very little about the game and can't stand the people who play it.  It can't just be a bloodsport appeal.

[Skinsinparadise]

I've been following the Haskins narrative very closely.  I listen to just about every podcast I can find.  And like I say, for me, I swear by Keim the most because Keim is very conservative about throwing gossipy stuff out especially criticism.  The idea that the narrative is that people question his intelligence?  That's IMO ridiculous.  That's not been the narrative at all.  Maybe from some outlier here and there. People running amok with the Gottlieb narrative about dyslexia.   But the narrative is if anything is that he's smart.  I've heard that a lot.  I've heard a lot that he's a nice guy and teammates like him.  I've said myself from my few interactions with him, seems like a super nice guy.  But that doesn't make him perfect, where he needs to be wrapped up in bubble wrap. 

 

The common criticism has been squarely about his work ethic and its been from just about everybody who covers the team.  That's it. That's really the only common criticism from reporter to reporter.  And on a scale of 0-100.  I'd put it at a 0 that every beat guy (some national reporters, too) came together to just make it up out of thin air just because why not?  And by that they weren't saying he's lazy but he doesn't have the workaholic traits of the typical QB.   I recall a NY Giants reporter saying Daniel Jones is an animal, comes in at 5 am and is the last to leave. We read here about Peterson and some others working nonstop.  And what Keim and others heard from people they talked to in the building was that Haskins hasn't rolled like that and they want him to.  But the narrative hasn't been about questioning his intelligence but is he motivated to be great?

 

As I've been saying I LOVE the fact that this is being leaked about whether he has motivation issues.  I'd feel that way even if they weren't true.  I am an outlier I gather on this point.  I don't think Haskins is the type that needs coddling and a soft touch about everything.  I think he's a competitive as heck dude and people questioning his motivational skills openly will actually lead to him to killing it this off season or at least increase its chances. 

 

I'd guess much of it is by design.  The Scott Turner comments.  The Doug comments.  Rivera not just handing him the job and saying he wants to bring serious competition.  Heck even the Tua leaks, I like.  I suspect they don't take Tua.   But why not leave him the vibe that everything is on the table and he has to earn it.  Keep him on edge.    I think they are doing a good job on this.  

 

While I do believe the work ethic reports. There are too many to ignore and Keim in particular I don't think woke up one day and decided to for kicks and giggles to make up a criticism of a player.  Keim has said several times, he needs to hear something from at least 3 sources he knows (or something like that) and trusts in the building before reporting something.  At the same time, I do believe that Haskins is competitive as heck.  And if he feels an aspect of his preparation is criticized, he will adapt a I'll show you attitude.  Some are motivated more internally.  Some seem more externally motivated.   If Haskins is motivated by external stuff than it's the job of the coaches to create that vibe.

 

As Keim said they have a plan to "push" Haskins.  And if so i see nothing cruel about it.   Orlovsky worshipped Haskins before the draft and he likes this.  So do I. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

21 hours ago, Llevron said:

Wait so y’all are telling me that you really think they thought he was dyslexic and that he made it to 22 years of age before a football coach of all people diagnosed him? Nothing about that sounds odd to you? Nothing about that sounds like they are questioning his intelligence? You really thought that a football coach at Redskins park was qualified enough to decide a 22y/o went through his whooooooole life without anyone noticing he had a condition like that? Stop. No one should believe that. The leak wasn’t that they sent him to s specialist and it was confirmed. The leak was he is so bad that he might be dyslexic. That’s not how any of that works. 

 

Past that, I’m not at all saying that’s what is happening to him or others. I am saying that if you are annoyed at people saying that, which the poster I was responding to said he was, then it may help you to understand why people feel that way. Just because you are over it, doesn’t mean anyone else is. And the bull**** dyslexia thing doesn’t help with people who aren’t. 

 

I hope y’all understand where I’m coming from now. I’m really not here to discuss if feeling that way is warranted or not. Just trying to help the guy that brought it up understand why he hears it. 

 

Carlos Rodgers played through college and well into his professional career before it was finally determined that he needed glasses.  Larry Brown made it to the NFL before it was found that he was deaf in one ear.   Thinking Dwayne possibly had dyslexia may not have been total BS, I think it may have been a justifiable concern and I just don't see racism or a conclusion that he was stupid by bringing it up as a possibility.  

[goskins10]

11 hours ago, joeken24 said:

I wouldn't say negative. I'm just looking at it from a PR standpoint. And like I said, GQ could have interviewed the rookie of the year. They could have interviewed the 1st pick overall. How did the 15th pick that hasn't played a full season and not made an impact end up in GQ/Goldman Sachs? Take a look at all the videos on GQ's page. Every one of the videos show accomplished people. Hell, if GQ wanted to show his mature side, surely they would not have shown him spending most of his first year money on doodads. But hey, I'm 55 what do I know.

 

I just so do not get that out the video. Most of his first $M on doodads? His first statement is he put 70% of his signing bonus in savings and investments. He bought a really nice car but than said that's it. No more cars, at least for now. $550k in taxes, $50k for his sisters education? Sure, he bought some nice things like good clothes - which he has to have per the CBA, maybe not tailored, but he is still spending decent money. 

 

And his approach was not all hype. He was calm, explained what he bought and why. It's an ad for Goldman Sachs. The idea that he should wait honestly makes no sense. Wait for what? And what is the what never happens? You need to strike when the iron is hot. If they want him, he should turn down good money for what? To be noble? Humble? Sorry, that's is a bit altruistic but not realistic. If that were you or I, we would both be all over the money. Not reasonable to hold him to a different standard. 

 

 

[goskins10]

23 hours ago, Llevron said:

Wait so y’all are telling me that you really think they thought he was dyslexic and that he made it to 22 years of age before a football coach of all people diagnosed him? Nothing about that sounds odd to you? Nothing about that sounds like they are questioning his intelligence? You really thought that a football coach at Redskins park was qualified enough to decide a 22y/o went through his whooooooole life without anyone noticing he had a condition like that? Stop. No one should believe that. The leak wasn’t that they sent him to s specialist and it was confirmed. The leak was he is so bad that he might be dyslexic. That’s not how any of that works. 

 

Past that, I’m not at all saying that’s what is happening to him or others. I am saying that if you are annoyed at people saying that, which the poster I was responding to said he was, then it may help you to understand why people feel that way. Just because you are over it, doesn’t mean anyone else is. And the bull**** dyslexia thing doesn’t help with people who aren’t. 

 

I hope y’all understand where I’m coming from now. I’m really not here to discuss if feeling that way is warranted or not. Just trying to help the guy that brought it up understand why he hears it. 

 

Dexter Manley got all the way to the pros not being able to read at all. He hid it well. 

 

As for dyslexia, many people do not even know how to diagnose it. Then there is the embarrassment (not that people should be embarrassed but thanks to societal cruelty, they are). So they ignore people who suggest they get checked. They continue to struggle in private, preferring people think them incapable. Nothing healthy about it but it's reality. 

 

In this case I think it was a snide cheap shot to suggest that he is so ill prepared, that we should hope he has some medical issue becasue if not he's just plain lazy. So no, personally i seriously doubt Haskins is dyslexic. I do believe he had some studying and work habit issues but at this point i think they are being greatly exaggerated by salty ex-employees and journalists looking for stories. 

 

It is part of being a rookie QB in the NFL, especially in DC. Guilty until proven innocent. So as trashy as I think it is that it was suggested, kidding or otherwise, including the ignorance of Riddick's no one wanted him mantra, it will serve to see what his mental strength is.

 

If he can weather this rash of ignorance and show people on the field he can learn and be a leader in this league, it will all go away. if not, he will be gone after next year.

 

 

[ggarriso]

8 hours ago, joeken24 said:

First off, I believe Haskins is going to be a helluva player. Those wishing him anything less.....we lets just say I normally get banned for replying to them, because I kinda know where it comes from. So I'll be like Marshawn and keep quiet on that bull**** so I don't get banned....

 

 

Be careful with your assumptions and virtue signaling 

 

[skinny21]

8 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

 

He's a smart, well spoken guy who speaks very intentionally.  All of this ****ing gossip about him has been ugly.

Agreed.  
 

I do think the concerns about preparation are real, but my guess has always been that it’s a lot more nuanced than just a laziness issue though.  
One of my kids wants to be a pro soccer player.  During practices and games, he’s always the hardest working kid on the field.  Anytime I offer to play a game in the backyard or take him to pickup games, he’s all in.  And yet... although I’ve talked to him about it, he’s not one of those kids that will go out and work on his own.  
 

I get a similar vibe from Haskins.  I believe he’s passionate about the game, and he’ll work his butt off when called to do so... but is football his life?   Is he working on and thinking about football in his free time?  I don’t know.  
 

I also don’t know how much of it relates to understanding the need to put in the extra work and how to go about it.  My son’s PE coaches told them to do 50 push-ups a day, and my son wants to and tries to remember, but usually doesn’t.  Haskins has been told he needs to be dedicated in the offseason, and he appears to being doing just that.  

[Llevron]

I am starting to wonder if some of y'all are dyslexic.