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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
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11 hours ago, dc1 said:

I wish the best for Keemun.

 

But it was the defense and O-Line that took them.   Keemun was a solid manager in a system that he was raised in.   

 

Maybe the Vikes should have held on to him.. however his value as an extensible QB with transferable skills was revealed when he went to Denver.

 

Denver saw the first hand evidence and shipped him out one year later.

 

He should be greatfull to retire with a career like JC or Fritzpatrick.

I dunno. If that was the case, would Kirk's team have done so much worse last year?

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As for Haskins i was happy with the pick but concerns remain. I watched 3 OSU games, Penn State, Michigan and the Rose Bowl against Washington.  He had a great game against Michigan statistically and the announcers were raving about him. But his stats were incredibly deceiving.  The vast majority of his yards came on short crossing patterns with a ton of YAC.  On his 2 long TDs one the guy was wide open, on the other the receiver was again open and made a great adjustment on the ball.  He was also sailing short passes 10 feet over receivers.   I just didn't see him fitting anything into tight windows on a 14 yard in, the types of throws that an NFL QB needs to make.  Not saying he can't but he hasn't done that, at least in the games I have seen.  

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He has the arm and anticipation to make tight throws as long as his feet are set. Per like every scouting report and his current coaches 

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The Redskins want to improve Haskins' footwork. They want him to get comfortable dropping back from under center, something he didn't do with the Buckeyes. They want him to get used to resetting his feet under pressure.

"With the quarterback, it starts with the basics," Gruden said. "He's a guy that didn't call a lot of plays in the huddle. So we're talking about breaking the huddle and calling plays in the huddle, and the snap count, getting guys lined up, going through his progressions, his footwork -- not only in the passing game but in the running game. There's a lot thrown at him. It's a long process, but he's a bright guy. I was impressed."

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Not sure if this was posted, I just saw it today...since Haskins and Jones will be linked for at least their rookie seasons I found this video to be...um...uh...lol...especially after seeing the videos of Haskins in this thread. The comments are the best part:

 

 

 

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Thank you. Without you, I wouldn’t have been a Buckeye. I wouldn’t be a Washington Redskin. I wouldn’t be the man I am today. Without you guiding me, teaching me, holding me accountable, loving me, and supporting me, I don’t know where I would be. I’m a mama’s boy, through and through.

You always say that, as a parent, you know you’re doing a good job when your kids do better than you.

Thank you for setting that bar so high.

Happy Mother’s Day.

 
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3 hours ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

As for Haskins i was happy with the pick but concerns remain. I watched 3 OSU games, Penn State, Michigan and the Rose Bowl against Washington.  He had a great game against Michigan statistically and the announcers were raving about him. But his stats were incredibly deceiving.  The vast majority of his yards came on short crossing patterns with a ton of YAC.  On his 2 long TDs one the guy was wide open, on the other the receiver was again open and made a great adjustment on the ball.  He was also sailing short passes 10 feet over receivers.   I just didn't see him fitting anything into tight windows on a 14 yard in, the types of throws that an NFL QB needs to make.  Not saying he can't but he hasn't done that, at least in the games I have seen.  

I've read the bit about short passes so many times and while I think there may be merit to it, I think of all the success Cousins' had with the short game. I remember how many Super Bowls Brady has won with the short game. Sometimes, a QB hitting the open guy on time and in rhythm is a lot more important than those huge seventy yard bombs. I mean realistically aren't the majority of passes thrown in the NFL short passes with only a few deep attempts per game? There are very few teams that air it out and go bombs away like the old Raiders teams.

 

I absolutely do want our QB to hit the route when that bomb springs open, but I also want him able to hit all those short and intermediate routes that the West Coast Offense thrives on. Finally, given a good o line with a bad injury history and a question mark at left guard. Maybe having a QB who excels at reading defenses, recognizing pressure, and taking advantage of it via the short game is what we need. I mean given how big, fast, and brutal DEs and linebackers are these days... you don't have that many chances to let a long route develop.

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7 hours ago, goskins10 said:

 

I was not guessing. I know for a fact it was game 2 against the Ravens that Maddox as injured. Ben started the rest of the season until the last game against Buffalo where he sat out getting ready for the playoffs. 

 

I wasn't talking to your point either way, I was just answering the question. In general I am not fond of these types of comparisons. This is one is no different. They are different times and typically completely different circumstances. Also, there are plenty of examples of both approaches (sitting or starting) working and failing. Ultimately it comes down to the player and the team. For me it's a case by case decision. 

 

I happen to agree Haskins should probably sit a year. Having said that, it will not be the end of the world if he starts right away either, especially if he clearly beats Colt and Case out in TC. He seems to be a smart kid that works hard. I loved his film session on the Big Ten network. @Llevron posted it first but I think it's worth posting here again in case people have not seen it. Gives some good insight to his understanding of pro-level concepts. 

 

 

D'oh!...I knew Roethlisberger started 13 games his rookie season and my memory was of Maddox sucking at the beginning of the season and his injury being fortunate for the Steelers.

 

And yeah, like I said I know you weren't talking about my point, I just wanted to make it again anyway lol...

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3 hours ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

As for Haskins i was happy with the pick but concerns remain. I watched 3 OSU games, Penn State, Michigan and the Rose Bowl against Washington.  He had a great game against Michigan statistically and the announcers were raving about him. But his stats were incredibly deceiving.  The vast majority of his yards came on short crossing patterns with a ton of YAC.  On his 2 long TDs one the guy was wide open, on the other the receiver was again open and made a great adjustment on the ball.  He was also sailing short passes 10 feet over receivers.   I just didn't see him fitting anything into tight windows on a 14 yard in, the types of throws that an NFL QB needs to make.  Not saying he can't but he hasn't done that, at least in the games I have seen.  

Really hope this is a exaggeration , I'm getting too old to suffer through another Jason Campbell era. 

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45 minutes ago, JoeJacobyHOForRIOT said:

Really hope this is a exaggeration , I'm getting too old to suffer through another Jason Campbell era. 

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Like the GIF or not, it's appropriate here...lol

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I have read so many different analysis on Haskins that contradict each other--for example, some have said his accuracy is excellent on short and medium range passes while others have said he's often off-target on short and medium passes--that putting all of it aside and just seeing what happens has become incredibly easy for me.

 

"Yes, but Haskins..."--sure, whatever.

"But he doesn't..."--cool.

"From what I've seen, he has problems doing..."--good to know.

"At the rookie minicamp, some of his throws were..."--great, thanks.

"He better not be starting or..."--that's one opinion, yep.

"He better be starting or..."--that's another opinion, definitely.

 

Being a fan, I'll enjoy the positives and hope the negatives are either exaggerated or are being worked on and improved.

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Respect Matt Waldman's knowledge of the game in general.  This video is probably my favorite, balanced, film review I've seen thus far on Haskins:

 

 

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Posted (edited)

Jay Gruden impressed with Dwayne Haskins early at rookie minicamp

 

Dwayne Haskins made his debut with the Washington Redskins this weekend, competing at the first two days of the team’s rookie minicamp on Friday and Saturday. Though it’s still early, coach Jay Gruden said he was extremely pleased with the former Ohio State standout.

 

"We're at the very bare minimum right now, but very impressed by his skillset for sure. Can really spin it," Gruden said Saturday, via the NFL Network. "He's just a big, solid, fundamentally sound guy. He's just a big presence in there and the ball just jumps off his hand. He also has the ability to speed it up and he has great touch, as well, for some of the short balls. He's displayed that he can make, in this short period of time, all the throws. ... He's kind of displayed a little bit everything these two days."

 

 

Click here for the full article.

 

 

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18 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:

Respect Matt Waldman's knowledge of the game in general.  This video is probably my favorite, balanced, film review I've seen thus far on Haskins:

 

 

 

Pointed out the first play Matt also pointed out v Washington.

 

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On that drive there were 4 abysmal plays by DH, but it’s still a TD drive because... They’re absurdly talented. Washington was a rough one for him, imo, particularly when Washington started to bring more pressure late.

 

Haskins has moments that look like QB porn & others that look like 🤨. The life of a gifted QB with less than 20 starts. 

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5 hours ago, Burgold said:

I've read the bit about short passes so many times and while I think there may be merit to it, I think of all the success Cousins' had with the short game. I remember how many Super Bowls Brady has won with the short game. Sometimes, a QB hitting the open guy on time and in rhythm is a lot more important than those huge seventy yard bombs. I mean realistically aren't the majority of passes thrown in the NFL short passes with only a few deep attempts per game? There are very few teams that air it out and go bombs away like the old Raiders teams.

 

I absolutely do want our QB to hit the route when that bomb springs open, but I also want him able to hit all those short and intermediate routes that the West Coast Offense thrives on. Finally, given a good o line with a bad injury history and a question mark at left guard. Maybe having a QB who excels at reading defenses, recognizing pressure, and taking advantage of it via the short game is what we need. I mean given how big, fast, and brutal DEs and linebackers are these days... you don't have that many chances to let a long route develop.

 

While I agree with you the NFL has gone to the short passing game as has college there are a lot of passes that are necessary that are not short crossing patterns or deep shots.  As I said he didn't really demonstrate the ability to fit the ball into a tight space on a 10 yard route, the kind of completion necessary on 3rd and 9.  You can't survive only on short passes and a few deep shots, those 10-15 yarders need to be completed and I saw no evidence that he can (or can't for that matter) make those throws because he rarely attempted them.  

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5 hours ago, JoeJacobyHOForRIOT said:

Really hope this is a exaggeration , I'm getting too old to suffer through another Jason Campbell era. 

 

No an exaggeration, an observation. Watch them for yourself on YouTube.  

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Haskins is one of the best passer on 5-15 yard, outside the numbers throws, that I’ve watched in several years. 

 

More speed, more pressure, in the more congested part of the field will be the test — but the ability to routinely put the outside throws in will open up more of the field for him than would be available to Colt, Alex or Case. 

 

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Posted (edited)

I asked this question earlier in the thread.

But it was mis-interpreted as questioning the potential of Haskins, or comparing the 2 QB's.

But I'm just curious what might end up happening to Alex next year, if he wants to play, and can play ?

Arguing Alex vs Dwayne is not my question.

Because the logistics of what we do with him, still has to be eventually answered.

Do we try to get a late draft pick in a trade for Alex, or could we ?

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10 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

I asked this question earlier in the thread.

But it was mis-interpreted as questioning the potential of Haskins, or comparing the 2 QB's.

But I'm just curious what might end up happening to Alex next year, if he wants to play, and can play ?

Opinions on Alex vs Dwayne are not relevant to the question.

Because he logistics of what we do with him, still has to be eventually answered.

Do we try to get a mid-late draft pick in a trade for him, or could we ?

 

If Alex can play and Haskins hasn't won the job then you make them compete. 

 

No one is going to trade for Alex and it would be silly to give up on a talented prospect a year into his development if you mean trading Haskins. 

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I wouldn’t be surprised if Jones turns out to be better than Haskins simply because we have a way of screwing things like this up. 

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36 minutes ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

 

While I agree with you the NFL has gone to the short passing game as has college there are a lot of passes that are necessary that are not short crossing patterns or deep shots.  As I said he didn't really demonstrate the ability to fit the ball into a tight space on a 10 yard route, the kind of completion necessary on 3rd and 9.  You can't survive only on short passes and a few deep shots, those 10-15 yarders need to be completed and I saw no evidence that he can (or can't for that matter) make those throws because he rarely attempted them.  

 

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12 minutes ago, Llevron said:

No one is going to trade for Alex and it would be silly to give up on a talented prospect a year into his development if you mean trading Haskins. 

 

I was referring to Smith.

Yes, it would be hard to get something in return for him, considering his injury and age.

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5 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:

 

Huh?

 

 

 

Haskins will hit a 3rd & 9 out 49 times out of 100 if protected, that’s a throw he’s more advanced with than any QB from the last few classes. 

 

A problem is, he will only be able to get what Jay designs, if Jay isn’t a top 10 play caller, Haskins has almost no shot to meet the expectations of a top 15 pick as a rookie. Imo.

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55 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:

 

Huh?

 

 

Well to be fair, he said on 3rd and nine...that first gif was 3rd and eight. He can hit those all day long, I'm guessing.

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1 hour ago, volsmet said:

 

A problem is, he will only be able to get what Jay designs, if Jay isn’t a top 10 play caller, Haskins has almost no shot to meet the expectations of a top 15 pick as a rookie. Imo.

 

Agree and I don’t think Jay is a top 10 play caller. 

1 hour ago, dyst said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if Jones turns out to be better than Haskins simply because we have a way of screwing things like this up. 

 

Mom always worried the Redskins will mess up a player. And usually I’m right. But I think this guy knows. He’s from here. 

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