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1 minute ago, Llevron said:

 

I feel like they would have been doing this from the start had Gruden not had his pet project out there trying to get it together for one last ride. 

he's been the backup all season long, hasn't he?

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Just now, KDawg said:

he's been the backup all season long, hasn't he?

 

Maybe im confused. I took that to mean he would NOT be running the practice squad since hes not the 3rd string. 

 

I could have totally made that mean what I wanted it to, now that you mention it.  

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52 minutes ago, Dissident2 said:

 

It doesn't make any sense to not start playing him consistently by at least Week 8. There is nothing whatsoever to lose. Let the other 52 guys concentrate on doing THEIR jobs for once. It's not like we've even been close in any of these games, and we MUST see what we have in Haskins on some level before the season is over. Otherwise, with a likely high draft pick, could be another QB controversy carousel. 

 

Sheehan is also right when he says that it would be virtually unprecedented for a QB to be taken that high in the draft, play on a terrible, losing team and not get in there during the season to show what he can do. It rarely has ever happened in the NFL. Which means it's the norm here, of course. He's also right when he says how red of a flag this is for Haskin's future and Lord Snyder's overreaching on him. 

 

For real.

 

There aren't many guys on this roster that I would worry about "annoying". At 0-5, most know the deal anyways. The guys that are in it for the long haul will understand. They are professionals. It doesn't matter who is on the field next to you, you should be worrying about doing YOUR job. 

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5 minutes ago, volsmet said:


On offense, the guys we need to evaluate, other than TM, will probably each be working with limited packages. 

Which is fine. Easier to evaluate them than a QB

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15 hours ago, Califan007 said:

 

Haskins, with no reps with 1st team and thrown into the game without starting prep.

 

Jones, with 4 starts under his belt and over a month of prep and practice with the starters.

 

 

 

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Small difference: Giants are the 30th ranked defense in the NFL, and every team they play has been roasting them. Patriots have the best defense in the NFL. Easily.

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On 5/24/2019 at 1:51 PM, volsmet said:

Nuances of the sophisticated protection & how DH opened the zone he wanted to hit are football porn. We can talk about the subtle things done by the TE & T to help this protection if anyone cares to, but I’ve marked up a few screenshots from this YouTube clip on my iPad to highlight a bit of it.  

 

This was his best throw of the year, imo, but it was sandwiched by two of his worst.

 

4:07 starts the 3 play sequence.... poor, brilliant, poor. 

 

 

The brilliant.

 

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Better illustration of how the final piece of the play was won.

 

 

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As the children would say, Bruh

 

 

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1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

@Veryoldschool

 

I agree with your point about the ability to process the field quickly is key.  Arians talks about it in his QB book saying almost every Qb he has had in his QB room can dissect a defense but only the best and franchise QB types can do it quickly.

 

But as to Haskins, I presume he needs more time on that front.  I can see rookies struggling on this front.    It's actually another reason why I'd like to play him soon.  I'd presume nothing beats developing a real visual mapping memory on that front from just seeing different coverages repetitively in the heat of the battle.

 

I get some here are totally sold on Haskins.  And some aren't.  I think that's fine since we are fans.  But I've heard enough noise to think that same mixed sentiment exists in the FO.  If everyone seemed sold, I'd be more chilled about it.  But if the nicest way for me to put it there is mixed opinion in that building and we got arguably a really good draft for QBs in the offing -- I want to see more data points for the FO to make up their mind about Haskins.   

 

I agree with this and want to see Haskins within a week or two also.  It would be ideal to start him against a weak Miami team but maybe having a week or two of separation from the Gruden firing is helpful also.  If Haskins starts a week or two from now it will seem like doing so is the natural progression for him even if he struggles.  I hope we see him soon and we see him perform and progress well enough to silence all this fearful speculation about him.  

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A run-first offense (if it's possible for the Skins to actually execute) would be beneficial for Haskins.  Hopefully, the QB coach or assistants can come up with a simplified set of plays for Haskins.  Let him grow into the nuances of the playbook since he has limited college playing experience.  But yes the Skins need to know what they got with the #15 pick of the draft.  Will he be ready to start in two years?  If so, then Skins may need to use their high first round pick on a higher rated/experienced rookie.  I don't care if the Skins use Haskins as a backup for a few years and trade him away if he has known potential.  But I don't trust the Skins front office to make that cold decision (I.e., admit that they were wrong in drafting the QB with their first round pick last year).   

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38 minutes ago, ExoDus84 said:

 

Small difference: Giants are the 30th ranked defense in the NFL, and every team they play has been roasting them. Patriots have the best defense in the NFL. Easily.

 

To be fair, Brady didn't exactly "roast" them. 

 

Also, I wouldn't say easily the best. Bears, Vikings and Bills have some words to say about that. Luckily we have already seen the Bears and Pats...unluckily we still get to see the Vikings and Bills lol. 49ers may have something to say as well, and we get to see them still too, yay!

 

Looking at the remainder of our schedule...we don't have one bad defensive team left. I guess the Panthers and Eagles are the worse Ds we will see from here on out...😟 

 

 

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On 10/10/2019 at 3:25 PM, skinsmania123 said:

Kirk was a fourth round pick in the draft.  It would be expected that he would sit for a year and change, maybe more, and be developed by the organization that picked him in the 4th round - 106 overall.  That development starts running the scout team. I think we can agree with that. If that goes well then you get the nod if your starting QB goes down or sucks.  We all know the history.

 

 Gruden actually preferred Kirk over RG3 because of the offense he likes to run.   I think Kirk's greatest development came, as it should, from starting games and working with McVay and Gruden.  I, similar to others, think Gruden makes a good OC not as a HC.

 

Haskins in my opinion should be further along, playing now, similar to the majority of QBs picked in the first round of an NFL draft.

 

 All Haskins has been doing is focusing on football.  Turns out he was not being held out because Gruden didn't like him personally. He simply didn't like how he played.  Every scout, every coach on the Redskins saw him taking reps during OTA's, training camp, all the way to preseason action right?  Do you really think Danny's hand picked guy is not going to get attention?  Development? 

 

Didn't Doug Williams say "they" would decide who the starting QB would be - including Dan and Bruce?  if Haskins was even remotely capable Danny would have his fantasy pick in there from day 1.   Remember this beauty:   https://thefandc.radio.com/articles/dan-snyder-will-help-decide-redskins-quarterback-doug-williams-says

  

Haskins is turning out to be exactly like a 4th rounder or 5th rounder - not a 1st rounder.   Again I am really wondering what the hell is going to happen here.  I hope he can get out there in the next 4-5 games or the Skins have to be thinking QB again in the draft.   How can they not?   

 

 

 

Comparing Haskins and Cousins doesn't make sense to me.   Haskins doesn't have to wait until RGIII implodes to get his chance, the owner wants Haskins to start yesterday.  As for readiness to play Cousins showed us right away, he could play during his rooking year when he got to start against the Browns.   We all knew Cousins understood things from the get-go it was a question whether he could sustain his command of things for entire games and later in successive games over a season.  

 

But to the issue at hand, we don't really know what we got in Haskins because he hasn't played enough.  From his limited action, I've observed he has a good arm, seems composed and unloads it rather than wait to get sacked.  The coaches know how much of the offense; signals, protections, route trees and the rest he has absorbed and whether he can process a field but to my eyes, Haskins looks more aware than Griffin in year 3.

 

I'm not sure that is accurate this assessment is but it looks to me Haskins understands things and tosses in anticipation whereas poor Griffin appeared to be clueless and stood there waiting to see a man break free before he threw it.  I've seen a small sample and just saw it live so maybe I saw what I wanted to see but I was encouraged by his play, and this from a guy who didn't want the Skins to draft a QB this year.  I want to see Haskins start in a week or two and give him a chance to demonstrate some progress over the balance of the season.

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25 minutes ago, PlayAction said:

A run-first offense (if it's possible for the Skins to actually execute) would be beneficial for Haskins.  


Inherent bias alert.

 

26 minutes ago, dballer said:

 

To be fair, Brady didn't exactly "roast" them. 

 

 


Brady was atrocious.

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It wouldn’t entirely shock me if the “inside source” for this Haskins talk was Jay trying to deflect blame for his own shortcomings as a HC. The guy was a turd, regardless the state of the FO.

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1 hour ago, volsmet said:


Inherent bias alert.

 

I haven't seen any ability of the Skins to run the ball effectively.  You are confident it can be done?  Why?  Callahan was in charge of the blocking schemes.  What is going to be different? 

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57 minutes ago, PlayAction said:

 

I haven't seen any ability of the Skins to run the ball effectively.  You are confident it can be done?  Why?  Callahan was in charge of the blocking schemes.  What is going to be different? 


I was just joking about your screen name.

 

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3 hours ago, Veryoldschool said:

 

Comparing Haskins and Cousins doesn't make sense to me.   Haskins doesn't have to wait until RGIII implodes to get his chance, the owner wants Haskins to start yesterday.  As for readiness to play Cousins showed us right away, he could play during his rooking year when he got to start against the Browns.   We all knew Cousins understood things from the get-go it was a question whether he could sustain his command of things for entire games and later in successive games over a season.  I was responding to what another poster was saying.  Not sure if you saw the original one I responded to.  I agree you would never compare a 1st round 15th pick to a 4th round guy.  

 

But to the issue at hand, we don't really know what we got in Haskins because he hasn't played enough.  From his limited action, I've observed he has a good arm, seems composed and unloads it rather than wait to get sacked.  The coaches know how much of the offense; signals, protections, route trees and the rest he has absorbed and whether he can process a field but to my eyes, Haskins looks more aware than Griffin in year 3.    I disagree about Haskins. I do not think he reads defenses well enough and rarely gets past his first progression.    If this were true, since he is Dan's man, and I am sure with his puffed up ego, he would have him on display pronto if he were up the task.  And yeah RG3 was another Dan fantasy pick that once the RPO was removed, and he demanded to be a drop back prototypical NFL QB he looked like a 5th round, 6th round pick, that needed to be benched and thankfully he was in time.

 

I'm not sure that is accurate this assessment is but it looks to me Haskins understands things and tosses in anticipation whereas poor Griffin appeared to be clueless and stood there waiting to see a man break free before he threw it.  I've seen a small sample and just saw it live so maybe I saw what I wanted to see but I was encouraged by his play, and this from a guy who didn't want the Skins to draft a QB this year.  I want to see Haskins start in a week or two and give him a chance to demonstrate some progress over the balance of the season.  I would like this coaching staff to simplify the offense for Haskins, run plays he can succeed at, sort of Like Pederson did for Foles when Wentz went down.  It is best when a coach can work with a QB and play to their strengths and go from there.  Particularly a rookie,  I think we all want to know what we have here with Haskins.  I think you put some plays together and give him 4-5 weeks and then you let the horse out of the gate so to speak.    Again I am not saying he is a bust but I do think 15 games at the collegiate level is just not enough of a sample size to gauge the success rate a QB will have in the NFL.  That is just my opinion.   But if you are drafted high in the first round you should be expected to play, screw up and grow for the next year and hopefully be a franchise QB.

 

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9 minutes ago, RandyHolt said:

Thanks to the football lords that Callahan was smart enough to demote McCoy and keep Haskins active and involved.

Callahan appears to have the same love for Keenum that Jay has for Colt. Umm, yay?

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4 hours ago, ExoDus84 said:

 

Small difference: Giants are the 30th ranked defense in the NFL, and every team they play has been roasting them. Patriots have the best defense in the NFL. Easily.

 

But again, that is mitigated by the overwhelming advantage Jones had in terms of game preparation, practice time with starters, and game plans tailored to his strengths instead to another QB's strengths.

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Yates is an NFL sports reporter.   He says, "I don't expect Haskins to be starting again any time soon".    How dumb is that.   Haskins hasn't even started a game for the Redskins.   He shouldn't be starting till he gets his feet wet.   The problem with Gruden was he did not know what player management meant.   The Redskins have been totally lacking in managing players.   From Physical Fitness, Tackling and Blocking to not managing players playing time.   Most backup players are not prepared to come into a game after an injury to another player.   All players need playing time. This is a team game.   Haskins needs playing time.   If a game is a one sided blowout, bring in Haskins in the 3rd quarter.   The only way he is going to learn is to play.   And that goes for all the players.   

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16 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Callahan appears to have the same love for Keenum that Jay has for Colt. Umm, yay?

 

Early signs say yes.  Enter Case Keenum, game manager.

 

At least he didn't choose Colt, is my get through the day Redskins moment. 

 

Prediction - Case on Sunday 11 for 24 156 Yds 1 TD and 2 Sack Fumbles.

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On 10/10/2019 at 1:28 PM, volsmet said:


 

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Tell me about it, I was in 2 year battle with posters about Kirk Cousins. Don’t get me started. 

 

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