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Burgundy Yoda

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35 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Yeah I think this narrative is more likely than some believe.  I got my doubts that Dan can just waive his magic wand and attract a big name like the past.  Three big differences from now versus before might be:

 

A.  Bruce. 

B.  Longer sample size.   The idea of Dan changing now is a harder sell. 

C.  Dan might have gotten cheap versus being the dude who liked to spend in the past.

 

I wouldn't do it, if I was a coach I would take less money and go elsewhere. What irritates me so much is that he doesn't even care about his own reputation, almost everybody associated with the Redskins hates him. How can a person be so unaware of what's going on that he can't take a step back, realize that HE is the issue, and step down. I guarantee you if he was losing money he would have done that. I agree with you that he won't have the power he once had, we're going to get the scraps when it comes to coaches. 

 

I also hope he never gets his new stadium. I want us to stay in FedEx as long as he is the owner so he can see every other Sunday what a POS the team and stadium is, that is 100% his fault. He legitimately views the whole problem as the stadiums fault, if he gets a new stadium it will breathe new life into him. 

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11 minutes ago, volsmet said:

One question remains, are we worse at losing while trying to win than Miami is at winning while trying to lose. 

If Miami is trying to lose they are doing a fantastic job.   They have set a high bar of being bad.  

 

Just Imagine if the Skins had decided to blow things up, take the hit for Alex and tank.  The game against the fish would’ve been epic - two teams both trying to lose.   Now it will just be sad as the skins try to win and struggle doing so.  

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The fact that Jay thinks his standard preferred method of calling series is "efficient football" and that the alternative he needs to resort to is generating chunk yardage through explosive passing plays is ****ing mind-blowing. The guy is an idiot stuck in an idiot bubble. 

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Voice_of_Reason

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1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Yeah I think this narrative is more likely than some believe.  I got my doubts that Dan can just waive his magic wand and attract a big name like the past.  Three big differences from now versus before might be:

 

A.  Bruce. 

B.  Longer sample size.   The idea of Dan changing now is a harder sell. 

C.  Dan might have gotten cheap versus being the dude who liked to spend in the past.

 

There’s no guarantee Bruce would be asked back.  

 

There arE 32 NFL HC jobs.  Generally, if you’re offered one, you take it.  Coaches think they can fix anything.  Most will give it a shot.

 

Dan will spend when he feels it’s in his best interest.  And I think if he decides to bring in somebody, he’ll figure it out. 

 

One thing i wonder is if Dan would have liked to have jettisoned Bruce at some point but has no real plan B.  He might be looking for plan b quietly.

 

Remember, the Vinny firing and Bruce hiring seemingly came out of nowhere.  The Gibbs hire was also out of nowhere.  

 

Dan is pretty good at keeping his intentions under wraps.  

 

Im hoping that he’s formulating a plan. And as an aside, him talking to Alex Smith isn’t the worst thing.  Smith is sharp.  Knows football, and might be a really good advisor.

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2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

 

 

First of all, if you guys aren't listening to Fred Smoot on the postgame show, you need to be.  He's fantastic.  I know everyone clings to Cooley's nuts but, IMO, Smoot is just as good in certain respects and certainly entertaining.

 

Smoot read this list off, basically pointing out that the "stars" on this team aren't playing up to their contracts.  He said the teams he was on, the stars played like stars, now whether or not that's true or he was just on some old man ****, I'm not sure but the point remains.  It wasn't this EXACT list, but it was close.  Basically amongst the teams top highest paid players only Vernon Davis is the one earning his contract.  Scherff was on the list, I think he was being nice when saying Scherff is earning his this year.

 

The second thing he mentioned, is that there's a rumor that they're not going to let Gruden play Haskins this year cause they'll want a new staff to come in next year and take over his development.  Basically, they don't want to let Jay screw him up.  Again, that's a rumor.

 

Listening to Jay's postgame presser, it was more of the same as it's been for the last few years, "We just gotta do better, blah blah blah...we can't have as many penalties, blah blah blah..."

 

None of the media members have the gumption to ask him how he plans to do it, there are no follow up questions that probe deeper...none of them want to hold Jay's feet to the fire.  But Jay is as he's always been, a hell of a nice guy that everyone likes who is full of platitudes and no clear cut plan on how to get anything moving in the right direction.

 

 

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35 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

I’d say goodbye to everybody on that list save MAYBE PRich.  I’d try and trade the ones where there is value.

 

I do wonder the hit of releasing Smith. 

 

I also wonder if Dan will let that happen.  They seem to be close...

 

Keep Dunbar, remove the rest.

 

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1 minute ago, RandyHolt said:

On Jim Schwartz tonight - "trying to win the game himself sending blitzers from everywhere focusing on right side where Falcons are injured" - per Collingsworth

 

Some things you will never hear said about a Skins DC. 

 

Manusky would consider that indecorous.

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Burgundy Yoda

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26 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

There’s no guarantee Bruce would be asked back.  

 

There arE 32 NFL HC jobs.  Generally, if you’re offered one, you take it.  Coaches think they can fix anything.  Most will give it a shot.

 

Dan will spend when he feels it’s in his best interest.  And I think if he decides to bring in somebody, he’ll figure it out. 

 

One thing i wonder is if Dan would have liked to have jettisoned Bruce at some point but has no real plan B.  He might be looking for plan b quietly.

 

Remember, the Vinny firing and Bruce hiring seemingly came out of nowhere.  The Gibbs hire was also out of nowhere.  

 

Dan is pretty good at keeping his intentions under wraps.  

 

Im hoping that he’s formulating a plan. And as an aside, him talking to Alex Smith isn’t the worst thing.  Smith is sharp.  Knows football, and might be a really good advisor.

Your optimism in a person who sells expired airline peanuts to fans is most impressive

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2 hours ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

I worry about what firing Gruden will do. He's generally liked and I know for a fact the league won't look at his shortcomings as a coach as his fault, especially with all our injuries. When Gruden leaves, Callahan leaves, and Tomsula probably leaves. So who in their right minds comes and coaches this nightmare of a team? I feel like there's going to be some very dark times ahead honestly for the franchise, we haven't seen anything yet. Dan Snyder is a disgrace of a human and if he considers himself a "fan" of the team, he needs to sell the team. His reign on this franchise needs to come to an end, God I hope someone hires a PI and finds out he's into child pornography or something. The NFL needs to make him sell, I'm very upset they didn't over the Cheerleader scandal.

 

Dark times ahead????  Ahead?!!? 

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The Eagles just played their hearts out in a tough loss. They had some mistakes, and a TON of injuries...but they played like Pederson was holding their ****ing families hostage. 

 

Would love to see that level of intensity from this team again. Haven't seen it since Gibbs II, and those teams weren't even constructed that well. 

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Just now, ConnSKINS26 said:

The Eagles just played their hearts out in a tough loss. They had some mistakes, and a TON of injuries...but they played like Pederson was holding their ****ing families hostage. 

 

Would love to see that level of intensity from this team again. Haven't seen it since Gibbs II, and those teams weren't even constructed that well. 

 

Nelson won’t soon forget that drop. Brutal.

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4 minutes ago, volsmet said:

 

Nelson won’t soon forget that drop. Brutal.

 

Yup. Had the victory in his hands. Half made up for it with the great catch after to keep them alive, but they couldn't quite get there. What a battle though. No questions in their fans' minds about that team after that effort. 

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Jay just seems really confused about what he wants this team to be.  He is a passing guy.  That's what he does well.  The only thing he does well.

 

Now he wants to construct a team that wins low scoring games.  So he implements this confused Gay Jruden run first finesse/mixed bag rushing attack  that doesn't really compliment the play action game or his personnel.  Then has the D play soft zone behind that so they can keep down the score by shortening the game.  

 

Then it all has to be abandoned to throw every down anyway.

 

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SnyderAllen must be taken into account.  It will be wash, rinse, repeat.  Wash, rinse, repeat until Allen is replaced.  Until then we might see a DC and HC change but until the fly is taken out of the ointment (Allen), it will be wash, rinse, repeat. 

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Burgold

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All you really need to do is look at the first year coaches every year. The coaches starting out on teams that have been top 5 draft pickers for years before their arrival. Each of them look better than year six of Gruden or year three of Manusky.

 

You can make the argument that the Redskins offense has a lot of new parts. The defense though? The major players with the exception of Collins have been here for a while.

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6 hours ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

The Eagles just played their hearts out in a tough loss. They had some mistakes, and a TON of injuries...but they played like Pederson was holding their ****ing families hostage. 

 

Would love to see that level of intensity from this team again. Haven't seen it since Gibbs II, and those teams weren't even constructed that well. 

And this is why I have a tough time buying into the logic that Jay is a players' coach. I mean who goes through a brick wall for Jay? Who goes through that first, second, third effort? All we see is soft, confused and undisciplined? How often is the rookie season a player's best year? When Jay first got here players were improving and I thought we had some teachers. Torian Gray kept getting these low level DBs up to speed. Ironically, Trent did play through pain and would try to kill himself for this team.

 

Jay's not a players' coach, but a player's patsy. They like him fine, but not enough to go the extra mile for him or to really push themselves.

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