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NYT: As Trump Accuses Iran, He Has One Problem: His Own Credibility

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Agent Orange right now is yelling at Bolton, "I COULD BE TWEETING ABOUT SLEEPY JOE BIDEN OR POCAHONTAS!".

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I don’t think Trump wants this war, but I think it will escalate into one eventually when he reads all the war thirsty DC neocons calling him a **** on Twitter. 

 

All of this because Obama successfully got Iran to shutter its nuclear program with all of our European allies onboard.

 

This is an entirely unnecessary crisis brought on by the GOP. Now it’s just a matter of how many billions or trillions of dollars are wasted because Trump is a buffoon and the people who led us into Iraq are still roaming around the DC swamp.

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Trump saying he called off the strikes last night because they would be disproportionate to downing a drone. 

 

How bad is John Bolton at his job when Donald Trump is the sane, voice of reason in the room? 

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In case anyone is unfamiliar with the provisions of the JCPOA, better known as the Iran nuclear deal, it included the following;

 

24 hour video surveillance of mines and facilities.

On demand inspections.

Filling their plutonium reactor with cement, rendering it permanently inoperable.

Surrendering 90% of its potentially weapons grade material.

 

Even the most vile warmongers like Bolton had to admit they were fully in compliance.

 

Yet because a secret Muslim Kenyan negotiated this, it had to be the worst deal in history, and of anyone knows bad deals it's the guy who agreed to high interest rate junk bonds to finance a casino in direct competition with his other businesses.  I mean, not once did any mullah from Iran write him a beautiful letter in a mammoth sized envelope.

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Trump did the right thing, in the wrong way (calling off right before the go-order) and possibly for the wrong reasons (did Putin scare him off?).

 

War with Iran was and is going to be a bad idea.  It'll take 10,000 dead Americans or more to take the country, and then probably tens of thousands more to hold it.  The lessons of USSR in Afghanistan have not been learned by the neocon wing.

 

The one good thing is Trump doesn't seem to want war that badly.  Don't know who managed to convince him it'd be a disaster, but that he backed down is good for now.

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7 minutes ago, DogofWar1 said:

War with Iran was and is going to be a bad idea.  It'll take 10,000 dead Americans or more to take the country, and then probably tens of thousands more to hold it

 

And when we eventually pull out, it will soon be headed by another Ayatollah.  With loud popular support.  

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Mehdi Hasan's latest podcast on Iran where he interviews Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, Colin Powell's former chief of staff when he was Secretary of State. They discuss the media and political parallels between the Iraq War and what's currently happening in Iran. Basically, we are doing it again. 

 

https://theintercept.com/2019/06/20/iran-crisis-have-we-learned-nothing-from-the-iraq-war/

 

https://megaphone.link/FLM3841213137

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The problem is that while Trump very well may not personally want a war with Iran, he has filled his cabinet with war mongers who most certainly do.  Word was that when Bolton came in he fired most of the current staff and brought in his own people.   These war mongers probably also stoked the flames to get Trump to get out of the Iran deal. Trump is too much of an egomaniac to admit dropping the Iran deal was a bad thing, despite whether people thought it was less than a perfect deal.

 

When you have a guy like Trump in office who doesn't understand these complex issues, this is the result. As much as I dislike Trump and support almost nothing he has done, I am somewhat glad that for now his instinct to not want to go to war has prevailed, however you can bet all these other guys are going to be pushing him towards escalating things.  You have Iran's economy in shambles due to the sanctions, they are being backed into a corner.  If you go and do these nonsense "limited military strikes" on them, there is no way in hell they aren't going to retaliate, and then both countries are off and running on alternating strikes until it eventually escalates to full on war. 

 

He really should fire Bolton and every single person Bolton has brought in.  That guy doesn't belong anywhere near the White House ever again.

 

Remember that I predicted a long time ago that President Obama will attack Iran because of his inability to negotiate properly-not skilled!

 

Gee, how ironic. 

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Now Trump is trying to say that he backed out because he thought there would be too many casualties. Bull****. 

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The really awful part of our relationship with Iran is that a good portion of the Iranian population is much more closer to us ideologically than they are to the theocrats running the show.

 

Yet we are allied with perhaps the most repressive Islamic country in the entire world in Saudi Arabia, the home of Wahabbism and whose population is far more radical in its regressive beliefs and who actively enabled the development of Pakistan's nuclear bomb, a nation almost completely incapable of securely wielding nuclear weaponry.

 

Our foreign policy agenda in the Middle East is a dumpster fire of hypocrisy and failure.

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7 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

Yet we are allied with perhaps the most repressive Islamic country in the entire world in Saudi Arabia, the home of Wahabbism and whose population is far more radical in its regressive beliefs and who actively enabled the development of Pakistan's nuclear bomb, a nation almost completely incapable of securely wielding nuclear weaponry.

 

Yeah but they are rich. Oil-rich.  And they buy billions of dollars of weapons from the U.S.  So nothing else matters apparently. 

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30 minutes ago, mistertim said:

Now Trump is trying to say that he backed out because he thought there would be too many casualties. Bull****. 

there is a theory that he never authorized the strikes and this is just the White House owning the media again.

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10 hours ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

i think he made the right choice, personally.

So by provoking them, then wimping out? Maybe if he hadn't worked so hard to create a war atmosphere and bailed on the agreement this would not even be something to wimp out of. Why is it that trumpers never understand the historical context of what is happening?

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Question: Since tearing up the Iran nuclear deal, what diplomatic measures has Trump taken with Iran?  There is a reason "I don't like the former President" doesn't make for good policy.

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So let me make sure I have my facts straight:  Trump decides he wants to bomb Iran, then at the last moment he decides against it because humanity.

 

 

Thats like raising your hand up to your kid after they disobey you, then not slapping them.

 

It’s like pointing a gun at your home intruder, but then not shooting them.

 

It’s like getting your wife pregnant, then finding a porn star that you can pay to **** with your little mushroom dick.

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Can he declare bone spurs again and let capable adults, not Bolton, handle this?  I'm glad we didn't strike, but he even screwed that up by all appearances. 

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According to well-informed sources, Iran rejected a proposal by US intelligence – made via a third party – that Trump be allowed to bomb one, two or three clear objectives, to be chosen by Iran, so that both countries could appear to come out as winners and Trump could save face. Iran categorically rejected the offer and sent its reply: even an attack against an empty sandy beach in Iran would trigger a missile launch against US objectives in the Gulf.

 

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The US media claim that President Trump approved military strikes against Iran but revoked the order hours later. What actually happened – according to the source – is the following:

Iran was informed in advance by a third party of a proposal by US intelligence that Iran selects one or two or three empty locations for the US to bomb. This was intended to make everyone happy by saving face for all concerned. Iran refused to play along with this charade, which was ultimately designed to save face for Trump. Nonetheless, Iran was reassured by this offer that the US has no intention of going to war and is trying to find a way out of its quandary; Trump is looking for a way out. 

 

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1 hour ago, Skintime said:

So by provoking them, they wimping out? Maybe if he hadn't worked so hard to create a war atmosphere and bailed on the agreement this would not even be something to wimp out of. Why is it that trumpers never understand the historical context of what is happening?

 

Because its all about owning the libz!!!! Create trade wars to kill the economy? Bend over backwards for Russia? Get in to a stupid war with Iran? All ways to own the libz!!

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