Destino Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 53 minutes ago, Koala said: I think your statement is more likely true assuming Trump stays president. Papa Putin ain't letting him go to war with Iran. And Trump doesnt really want any war on Iran. He showed his hand when he backed down to Iran by calling back those strikes in June. I agree Trump wants to avoid a war. I think he imagined that his bluffing would be more effective but he's done it so often that the world sees him as a paper tiger. This makes the world a more dangerous place and represents a major failing by his administration. One of many. 53 minutes ago, Koala said: Basically Iran did this because they can. The Saudis are a bunch of cowards, they'll never fight a war against an enemy that can fight back, and so 8f they cant hire someone to fight Iran for them, the just have to sit there and take it. Iran realizing this, and are now openly taunting the Saudis. It's well understood that Iran has been fighting a proxy war with Saudi Arabia in Yemen this entire time. The media and the UN focus on the human rights abuses and weapon sales but the bigger story is that Iran and KSA are moving closer to a major conflict. This latest attack on KSA represents a major escalation in that conflict. So I don't think Iran is just now openly taunting the Saudis, they've been doing that fairly openly for some time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Larry Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 1 hour ago, NoCalMike said: I don't think Trump wants to go to war. Deep inside, Trump knows he is a fraud, and he likely doesn't want the very real consequences and collateral damage of war on his shoulders. If you think Trump gives two ****s about the consequences of his actions on anybody but himself, then you and I have vastly different opinions of the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Larry said: If you think Trump gives two ****s about the consequences of his actions on anybody but himself, then you and I have vastly different opinions of the man. it's not the consequences so much as his ability to fake things. If he authorizes war and bodies start piling up, there is no "cooking numbers to make things seem ok" His image will be forever tied to it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Larry Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, visionary said: Well, in the Saudi's defense, I have to say that I find the theory that Iran was behind the attack completely believable. Granted, I could see Israel doing it, too. Or the US. Or the Saudis. In fact, the only thing I'm having trouble believing is that Donald Trump hasn't decided that starting a war enhances his chances of reelection. Got W reelected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Besides the fact that war would be the absolutely most unpopular thing Trump could do. Sure, the retards who follow him would love it because he’d be sticking it to the libs, but real people would absolutely revolt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Destino Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/19/2019 at 10:18 AM, Cooked Crack said: "refinery incident" sounds a lot nicer than "cruise missile strike." I get that people don't want to go to war, no sane person should, but the US has to respond to Iran attacking a US ally. Especially when they do so to send a message to the world about their ability to disrupt global energy markets. It doesn't have to be war, but it has to be something. The US can't talk tough only to wilt when our enemies walk boldly across our lines in the sand. North Korea has nukes despite the west entirely being opposed to it. Thanks to China, who are the reason North Korea exists in the first place and why they've managed to continue to exist. (and whoever helped them with their nuclear program) Russian meddled in US elections, in Syria, and invaded Crimea. Iran bombed Saudi Arabia, shot down a US drown, detained a UK tanker, and likely bombed a Japanese ship. Line stepping is all the rage these days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/18/2019 at 5:38 PM, Larry said: In fact, the only thing I'm having trouble believing is that Donald Trump hasn't decided that starting a war enhances his chances of reelection. Got W reelected. Certainly wasnt because of the Iraq War from what I remember there was this over emphasis on scaring us all ****less from how to address terrorism. Remember the Terror Color Chart that kept going up and down on live TV then disappeared after the election? Fear got W relected, imo, not war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 16 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: Certainly wasnt because of the Iraq War from what I remember there was this over emphasis on scaring us all ****less from how to address terrorism. Remember the Terror Color Chart that kept going up and down on live TV then disappeared after the election? Fear got W relected, imo, not war. I think of them as related. One of the many things about the Right that makes me wonder if they're really as stupid as they act, is willingness to at least act like they believe that you can prevent terrorism in the US by bombing Musim villiages in the ME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 12 hours ago, Destino said: It doesn't have to be war, but it has to be something. agreed, but there are many options beyond a military strike or war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Larry said: I think of them as related. One of the many things about the Right that makes me wonder if they're really as stupid as they act, is willingness to at least act like they believe that you can prevent terrorism in the US by bombing Musim villiages in the ME. Fair, I'll say theres a clear difference between predator droning towns you never heard of and putting troops there. Trump ran on getting troops out of the middle east and bombing the hell out of ISIS, I think the right is on the same page in the difference there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 Yeah, I've gotta say, Trump is surprising me, here. Between all the ME Hawks he appointed, to breaking the Iran deal (and not even attempting to replace it with anything), to the way he's been prostrating himself before Bibi and the Saudis, I figured it was just another way Trump was going to be W, only bigger and dumber. I thought he was doing all these things because he was begging for a war. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 Trump likes bombing people who won’t retaliate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 5 hours ago, visionary said: Trump likes bombing people who won’t retaliate. who doesn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Larry Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, visionary said: "US led military effort"? Wasn't aware that the US was leading any military effort. And what kind of PM volunteers to let Donald Trump lead him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Yep, U.S. surely needs to "lead" efforts in a spat between Iran & Saudi......ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Larry Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Gonna actually hope that he can accomplish something useful, there. Wouldn't bet on it. But I'll be hoping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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China Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 US warns Iran is preparing a 'nuclear breakout' The United States has accused Iran of preparing "a rapid nuclear breakout" after it began pumping uranium gas into hundreds of centrifuges, another step that violates the landmark 2015 nuclear deal with world powers. US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo made the comments on Thursday, after Iran stepped up activity at its underground Fordow nuclear plant. He warned against Tehran's "violence and terror" and urged the international community to take immediate action. The Atomic Energy Organization of Iran (AEOI) confirmed the latest nuclear programme step after 2,000kg (4,400 pounds) of uranium hexafluoride was transferred from the Natanz nuclear facility to Fordow. Iran previously announced that 1,044 centrifuges were installed at the well-protected facility. The US - which withdrew from the nuclear accord in May 2018 and reimposed crippling sanctions on Tehran - called Iran's move a "big step in the wrong direction". Click on the link for the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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