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      Good afternoon Redskins fans!  I have once again been invited to sit in the relative comfort of the press box and shout my thoughts into the void via this blog.  As you watch the game today and see the rain  pour relentlessly from the heavens, know that I am safe and dry.  Know also that @Spaceman Spiff is out there somewhere, cold and unappreciated, rolling around in the muck trying to capture that perfect picture.  Maybe say a little prayer for his health (or laugh, whatever, I’m not judging you).  Also, be sure not to miss the pictures he posts on this site after each game.     
       
      Before we get into today's Redskins game, I want give some thanks for more positive occurrences in DC sports.  Congrats to the Washington Mystics for winning their first championship.  Congrats go out to the Washington Nationals as well for reaching the world series.  These two teams (along with the Caps) are working hard to change the sports related mood around this town, and we're all happier for it. 
       
      Lets move now into less cheerful topics, namely your Washington Redskins!  Yow know things are going bad, and I mean really dang bad, when your team has gone through three quarterbacks and two coaches and your not even half way through the season.  Today's fresh hell comes in the form of a specter of the our recent past coming to smirk at our misfortune.  Im talking of course of Kyle.  Kyle's spent the week assuring everyone that he isn’t holding a grudge, while very obviously holding a grudge.  “Everything else.”  You know what I’m talking about. 
       
      If all he brought to town were his hurt feelings we wouldn’t have a problem.  Sadly, he’s arrived with an undefeated football team that the NFL says we have to play this week.  This feels entirely unfair. 
       
      My generic key to the game:  Run the ball and stop the run.  The team (spoiler alert: 49ers) that does this today will win.   
       
      Redskins Inactives  
      QB Colt McCoy  
      S Deshazor Everett  
      CB Josh Norman  
      RB Chris THompson  
      LB Josh Harvey-Clemons 
      G Wes Martin  
      TE Vernon Davis  
       
      49ers inactives  
      QB CJ Beathard 
      WR Deebo Samuel  
      CB Ahkello Witherspoon  
      FB Kyle Juszczyk 
      T Mike McGLinchey 
      T Joe Staley 
      DL DJ Jones 
       
      1st Quarter Update
      Redskins 0 – 0 49ers
       
      Callahan wasn’t playing around when he said he wanted to run the ball.  That first drive was all runs, and looked great... right up until they tried to pass the ball.  Hopkins missed the relatively short fied goal, because of course he did.     

      Maybe Quinn isn’t a good choice to be returning punts?  Consider it.    
       
      That second Redskins drive looked more like what we’ve come to expect from this offense.  Run for negative yards, pass dropped, and an unsuccessful screen pass.  A quintessential Redskins three and out. 

      Passing yards this quarter:  Redskins 3. 49ers 9.  Are you not entertained?! 
       
      Half Time Update
      Redskins 0 – 0 49ers 
       
      How happy are you to spend your Sunday afternoon watching this game?  Consider that some people paid money, to sit in a poncho, in the rain, to watch this game. 
       
      It’s now time for those half time adjustments that our beloved skins do so well.  It’s unlikely the second half mirrors the first. 
       
      3rd Quarter Update 
      Redskins 0 – 3 49ers  
       
      Good news, this game will not end in a 0-0 tie.  Those half time adjustments have kicked in as expected and the 49ers have found a way onto the scoreboard in this messy throwback game.  The Redskins have decided to spend the second half collecting holding penalties and sadness.  Mercifully, only one quarter remains. 
       
      End of Game Update 
      Redskins 0 – 9 49ers 
       
      Callahan hasn’t spent much time as the head coach of the Washington Redskins, but he’s already proven that his team can waste 2nd half timeouts like a veteran.  It makes little sense to adopt a strategy that shortens the game when your team is losing, and it makes even less sense when your team is short on time outs.  I’m not really sure what the thinking as late in this game.    
       
      Next week Kirk Cousins!   
       
       
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The current status of the Redskins o-line.

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52 minutes ago, desertbeagle85 said:

 

No I don't mean Penn. How many years has Penn been a successful LT? How many years has Flowers been successful at any position? I believe Penn will be fine.

 

Sorry I misunderstood when you said " I'll give Flowers 2 weeks before they try out Christian again."   I would say they play different positions, and that Martin is actually backing up Flowers. 

 

I know Jay wants likes positional flexibility - maybe they are getting Christian reps inside? 

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1 minute ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

Does anyone believe Flowers is better overall than Lauvao ?

Good point of reference. The answer I think is Lauvao is better than Flowers. If he’s healthy. 

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8 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

Does anyone believe Flowers is better overall than Lauvao ?

 

Flowers isn't even a guard!  But he is becoming one.  I will be the salmon and swim upstream and say he will have as many good days this season, as Lauvao ever did. Cally will coach em up! 

 

Yes durability is a factor. Lauvao would most certainly be playing injured before tapping out.

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3 minutes ago, RandyHolt said:

 

Flowers isn't even a guard!  But he is becoming one. 

 

Yet he is already a better Guard, than he was a Tackle !

And the fact that we're actually comparing him already to Lauvao at his new position, says something.

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12 minutes ago, JaxJoe said:

Good point of reference. The answer I think is Lauvao is better than Flowers. If he’s healthy. 

 

Best ability is availability.  Flowers has (I think) never really been hurt before.  If Lauvao was guaranteed to be healthy for longer, then it's a different conversation, but for the depressing reality of the situation...Flowers > Lauvao.

 

How many times do we say "what if the team wasn't hurt so much"?  At a certain point you have to target players with a track record of durability.  We are so far past that point it's sad.

 

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1 hour ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

 

Yet he is already a better Guard, than he was a Tackle !

And the fact that we're actually comparing him already to Lauvao at his new position, says something.

 

He is big and clunky still, and will make mistakes. 

 

But you know what, we have our standard linemen blowing stunts, and see blitzers coming free at times anyways. So what's the difference.  I know most everyone loves Callahan but I am meh at best on him.   Getting Flowers up to speed is a good test for him.

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21 minutes ago, RandyHolt said:

 

He is big and clunky still, and will make mistakes. 

 

But you know what, we have our standard linemen blowing stunts guys, and see blitzers coming free at times anyways. So what's the difference.  I know most everyone loves Callahan but I am meh at best on him.   Getting Flowers up to speed is a good test for him.

I'm starting to turn your way. Callahan hasn't really developed any studs or worked much magic while here. Left guard has been a mess the whole time. Center, I guess, has improved, and right tackle has improved, but Callahan hasn't shown the ability to build a great line or turn someone raw into a great contributor. Getting production out of Scherrf and and Williams isn't all that impressive. Pretty much all our low and middle round line draft picks have flamed out.

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3 hours ago, PartyPosse said:

Shaun Lauvao is still out there.

 

I think if Lauvao were even remotely capable of being healthy, he'd be in here already.  Didnt he tear his ACL last time we saw him? Christian tore his MCL and just made it back fairly recently.  I would imagine Lauvao wouldnt be ready to go right now. 

 

Assuming he was even attempting to come back.  He coulda tapped out Andrew Luck-style for all we know, he was injured so much.

 

But I'm curious, off topic, how does that work if you get injured and then the contract runs out and you become a free agent?  I assume the Skins are still responsible for Lauvao's medical care for injuries sustained while with the team?  

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1 hour ago, Burgold said:

I'm starting to turn your way. Callahan hasn't really developed any studs or worked much magic while here. Left guard has been a mess the whole time. Center, I guess, has improved, and right tackle has improved, but Callahan hasn't shown the ability to build a great line or turn someone raw into a great contributor. Getting production out of Scherrf and and Williams isn't all that impressive. Pretty much all our low and middle round line draft picks have flamed out.

 

I look at it quite differently.  The argument that he has to produce studs is faulty, IMO.  He has made guys either reach their potential, or otherwise be better than they should be, which is what an OL coach should be judged on.  Whether they produce greatness is a tall bar to clear. 

 

The jury is still out on Christian. 

 

Rouiler was a 6th rounder and he's been solid, which is exceeding expectations. 

 

Reiter's starting in KC.  Not giving Callahan credit for that necessarily, but he only had him for year.  My point being, some guys need time to develop, and he didnt have it with Reiter, who was a late rounder anyway. 

 

Moses was drafted the year before Callahan got here, but once Callahan got him, he became a solid starter.

 

The only drafted guy that just plain never worked out IMO was Arie.  

 

And none of that takes into account the guys off the scrap heap that he scraped together to turn into an OL.  That game on the road in Seattle where he pulled together a hodge podge of guys was an OL coaching masterpiece.  TJ Clemmings, Arie, and Tyler Catalina played almost every snap.  They shoulda got run over.

 

Nsekhe earned a nice contract in Buffalo under Callahan's tutelage.

 

And I dont think credit should be withheld on Scherff.  Let's not assume it was a foregone conclusion that Scherff was gonna be a Pro-Bowl guard.  It wasnt a given. 

 

Bergstrom was a nobody, but he's had to start a bunch  since he's been here and has done ok.  

 

He's coached up guys to play multiple positions fairly effectively.

 

I think he's done a very good job.  We probably have the two of the best line coaches in football.  At least an argument could be made.

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I also think he should get some credit for coaching Spencer Long in every year that Long started for the Skins (so years 2-4 of his rookie deal).  He then played well enough for another team to give him a good contract.

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1 hour ago, justice98 said:

 

 

 

I think he's done a very good job.  We probably have the two of the best line coaches in football.  At least an argument could be made.

 

All good points. .But has our run blocking even been adequate in his tenure?  It took the jump cut king AP to eek out 4 yards last year.I think our run blocking has been horrible overall.

 

Even our pass pro always seems much more under duress, vs our D and all the OLs they face.   We always seem to get burned clean on a stunt yet our D never gets such gifts. Getting the OL out there and ready to play, is half the battle.  

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32 minutes ago, RandyHolt said:

 

All good points. .But has our run blocking even been adequate in his tenure?  It took the jump cut king AP to eek out 4 yards last year.I think our run blocking has been horrible overall.

 

Even our pass pro always seems much more under duress, vs our D and all the OLs they face.   We always seem to get burned clean on a stunt yet our D never gets such gifts. Getting the OL out there and ready to play, is half the battle.  

 

For whatever reason, in 2016, they had a pretty decent running game.  Something like 5 or 6th in the league in yards per attempt.  Gruden just wanted to throw it like mad.  

 

But overall, I would argue AP was the first really competent running back we've had in this scheme since Callahan got here.  Alfred Morris, Matt Jones, Rob Kelley, Samaje Perine.  What is Callahan supposed to do with that?  We wanted these people out for a reason.

 

I remember people lamenting holes being missed, TE blocking being abysmal (that has been a big one), WRs that didnt want to get involved.  Jordan Reed and Vernon Davis short circuited many a run play a couple years ago where yards coulda been had.  I would argue OL blocking was only a fraction of our issue.  

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5 hours ago, justice98 said:

 

But I'm curious, off topic, how does that work if you get injured and then the contract runs out and you become a free agent?  I assume the Skins are still responsible for Lauvao's medical care for injuries sustained while with the team?  

 

I don't know the answer, but sounds more like a Worker's Comp type situation. I don't think the teams are on the hook, but I think the NFLPA has something in place for such situations.

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57 minutes ago, kfrankie said:

Flowers reminds me of Shar Pourdanash.  Which isnt a good thing.

 

I actually think that's insulting to Shar Pourdanesh more than Flowers.  lol

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I haven't broken down tape, but it seems to me that we are going to have a lot of head scratching plays this year from the left side of our oline. Blown assignments, completely whiffed blocks, and lots of holding penalties. I think at times it will also be difficult to run play action because the qb will get destroyed on the drop. 

 

We basically need to run behind scherff the whole year and sprinkle in rb wheel routes and screens when defenses over commit. Clever scheme can make up for deficiencies. It would also be really helpful if our rbs can be effective on the edges and we get good blocking from our wide recievers. With guice and Thompson we might be able to do so. 

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1 hour ago, kfrankie said:

Flowers reminds me of Shar Pourdanash.  Which isnt a good thing.

 

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Posted (edited)

Geron Christian is too slow. I’d keep Timon Parriss If I had to choose between the two. 

 

 

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Prospect I’d love to see get a chance with Callahan OL parts.

 

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Colts waived OT Antonio Garcia.

The 2017 third-rounder has now burned through three organizations in a span of three years, all without playing a single snap. Slated to serve a four-game PED suspension to begin the year, Garcia's phone won't be ringing off the hook with offers.

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5 hours ago, JaxJoe said:

Geron Christian is too slow. I’d keep Timon Parriss If I had to choose between the two. 

 

 

 

This begins to venture outside of my scope of knowledge, but the ball is snapped at the 26 and pressure takes place at the 18, doesn’t seem like the worst rep. It appears he could’ve engaged with his hands a bit earlier, but once again, I’m basing this off my logic (no Oline coaching experience). 

 

Any of those in the know care to educate me?

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16 minutes ago, wit33 said:

 

This begins to venture outside of my scope of knowledge, but the ball is snapped at the 26 and pressure takes place at the 18, doesn’t seem like the worst rep. It appears he could’ve engaged with his hands a bit earlier, but once again, I’m basing this off my logic (no Oline coaching experience). 

 

Any of those in the know care to educate me?

My two cents?..the ball was snapped at the 27 actually 

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27 minutes ago, bakedtater1 said:

My two cents?..the ball was snapped at the 27 actually 

 

Whats the value here? 

 

Was more wondering about Christian as it relates to the DE getting to the QB at a spot 8 or “9” yards from where ball was snapped. Was this an okay rep?

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8 minutes ago, wit33 said:

 

Whats the value here? 

 

Was more wondering about Christian as it relates to the DE getting to the QB at a spot 8 or “9” yards from where ball was snapped. Was this an okay rep?

Pretty sure he was joking with that comment.

 

Haskins took a 5-step drop and Geron got beat around the edge, plain and simple. The defender got into him and literally went right around him... Christian should have been able to "Kerrigan him" (you know when Kerrigan comes screaming around the RT, looks like he has an angle on the QB and then gets bumped off his line and runs right by). Also, keep in mind, this was against the Ravens backups... A NFL-caliber starting tackle should never look like this.

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8 minutes ago, CTskin said:

Pretty sure he was joking with that comment.

 

Haskins took a 5-step drop and Geron got beat around the edge, plain and simple. The defender got into him and literally went right around him... Christian should have been able to "Kerrigan him" (you know when Kerrigan comes screaming around the RT, looks like he has an angle on the QB and then gets bumped off his line and runs right by). Also, keep in mind, this was against the Ravens backups... A NFL-caliber starting tackle should never look like this.

 

He was.

 

I’m with ya— saw the same thing. 

 

Was more looking for the coaching details of Christian and if it was serviceable rep, considering the DLineman created pressure 9 yards behind scrimmage. 

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