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Bailey was a stud CB in his prime, I doubt the Redskins had no takers aside from Denver.  But granted there is no way to know.  This story about the trade gets into Denver shopping Portis and why the Redskins threw in the 2nd rounder.  And that's Schefter talking who is rarely wrong. 

 

I love Gibbs but when he came back he was famously old school and a bit behind the times.  According to Schefter, Shanny was shopping Portis.   I'd presume Gibbs wanted a stud RB because the running game was so essential to his offense.   In his mind back then, I'd presume a CB for a RB was likely a good move.  But I can even deal with that trade if that's all it was.  It was the 2nd rounder that tipped the balance in a big way.  Bailey himself said that Denver won the deal because of the 2nd rounder.  

 

Giving up a high pick in a trade became a staple move by both Gibbs and Cerrato.  That was just round 1 of it.  I bet they didn't give a rats behind about the 2nd round pick.  This is the same team that suddedly gave up a 3rd and a 4th for TJ Duckett some said in part because they heard the Eagles would deal for him.   Gave up a third for Mark Brunell even though the rumor was Jax was about to release him. 

 

https://theundefeated.com/features/nfl-champ-bailey-clinton-portis-look-back-on-their-blockbuster-washington-denver-trade/

Shanahan offered Portis to Washington, and the trade for Bailey was agreed upon before the Pro Bowl in February 2004.

“No one was willing to go on the record, so I couldn’t report it,” said Schefter, who knew a lot of the details. He even knew that Washington added a second-round pick to their offer because the Broncos raised the idea of trading Portis to the Dallas Cowboys...Washington needed a running back to power new head coach Joe Gibbs’ run-heavy offense.

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8 hours ago, KDawg said:

 

Denver knew he wanted out. So they leveraged us. If there was a better deal it would have been taken. Getting something for nothing is always better than not getting anything for a guy who was out the door. You cannot look at it in terms of straight value because we had zero leverage.

In 2012, we traded three #1 picks and a 2nd to move up four spots to draft RG3. I think RG3 did more for us than whoever they drafted with those picks but we did overpay IMO.

 

An unhappy Kirk takes 20+ from us on one year deals until he earned his freedom, when we could have traded him years earlier, instead we lose a young QB who had value around the league at the most important position, without any compensation.

 

In 2018, a 3rd round pick and Fuller for an average aging QB who had no serious accomplishments in his career only for that QB to be out the league 9 games later after signing him to a ridiculous contract.

 

Just think we are going to botch the Trent Williams situation too. I hope not but this team has a way of getting the short end when it comes to player situations. 

 

On the bright side, we did win the Sua Cravens trade! But then again we used a 2nd on him only to turn around and trade him 2 years later for 6th :/. Bad draft pick, good trade.

 

 

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11 hours ago, HardcoreZorn said:

Actually no, I didn’t miss a thing. I read your post in full. What scenario could you possibly concoct in your head where the athletic training staff botched this incident? Like @Califan007 said what’d they do, not inform him he see a medical specialist for a non football injury? 

 

I don’t know how else to spell it out for you. I mean, it’s as clear as it gets. 

 

The Athletic Training Staff is often the first line of diagnosis for players. They also are where players rehabilitate. One of their main responsibilities is to direct players to the proper specialists within the Medical Staff as necessary. 

 

In the case of Trent, what virtually every reporter who has reported on it has said, is that Trent was told, by the Athletic Training Staff, that his cyst wasn’t a big deal and to wait until the end of season to get it checked out. Now, that in and of itself might not seem like a big deal, but we don’t know exactly what else he’s pissed about that they’ve done in the past, nor do we know if it’s just related to things they’ve told him and not other players he’s witnessed. Hence, why Moses said what he said. 

 

This absolutely ties EXCLUSIVELY into the responsibilities of the Athletic Training Staff and no one else. 

 

None of the above is hard to grasp. None. All I did was delineate the various arms of the operation regarding player health. That’s all. All I said was the focus of whatever issue the players have is on ONE of these arms; the Athletic Training Staff. 

 

One of the reasons I’m doing this is so the other two arms (Medical and S&C) aren’t targeted unnecessarily and/or unfairly by fans. It’s why I used @JSSkinz post as a launching point, since he was saying the Doctors in the Medical Staff all seem very credible and reputable (which they are). 

 

This is all verifiable and, furthermore, obvious due to the specific responsibilities of the Athletic Training Staff versus the other two arms. He’s not going to be pissed at Strength and Conditioning regarding his cyst or whatever else happened injury-wise because all they do is work with them in the weight room and on their athleticism. They, like the rest of the coaching staff, get the thumbs up from the Athletic Trainers with regards to what they can work on. We don’t know much about the Doctors within the Medical staff because of the inherent confidentiality there, but it’s unlikely he’s pissed at them since they’re the ones who eventually diagnosed him correctly. Or he simply never spoke with them and it was his own council that told him. But, again, we don’t know much there. 

 

The other players who’ve actually come out with any problem have directed their angst at issues that directly correspond to what the Athletic Trainers do. Not Strength and Conditioning. Not the Doctors from INOVA or James Andrews. 

 

I don’t know how else to put it, man. You’re arguing against yourself. This isn’t hard, but you simply can’t handle anything other than glowing praise of this wonderful organization Dan and Bruce has put together, so you’ll probably respond to this repeating the same incoherent rhetoric. God help me for daring to post my once every two months post. :ols: 

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The part many of you are missing - or just choosing to ignore - is that it really doesn't matter if we can see where the irritation with the training staff or anything else comes from. He feels that way and it's his health. We do not know the entire history. We do not know the full details of this incident. But even if we did know, he is allowed to feel the way he feels. Its his health not ours. 

 

That does not mean the staff actually did anything wrong. But it does mean he feels they have. And there are other signs that there is a problem somewhere in the athletic training staff. Trent's issue is not the only time they have been called into question. Again, maybe they are doing a perfect job. But in this case perception is 100% of reality. The perception by at least a small group of players is that there is a problem. And if the FO had their **** together, they would make a change. Just make the change. It's an easy way to keep players happy and show you are listening to their concerns. 

 

The fact that there is any concern at all and at least from what we can see nothing has been done shows how tone deaf the FO is. Again, it does not really matter if the athletic staff has actually done anything wrong. There is enough of a perception that you should make a change. 

 

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I like Finlay but he did somewhat disagree back then with the Laconfora report.  He didn't argue that Trent asked for a trade but he downplayed the significance of it.  He was chilled that they'd work it out.  Having said that, it's not over.  For all we know it can still end up a bluff.  I doubt it but you never know.

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, KDawg said:

 

Denver knew he wanted out. So they leveraged us. If there was a better deal it would have been taken. Getting something for nothing is always better than not getting anything for a guy who was out the door. You cannot look at it in terms of straight value because we had zero leverage.

I disagree we had zero leverage because:

 

 

2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Bailey was a stud CB in his prime, I doubt the Redskins had no takers aside from Denver.  But granted there is no way to know.  This story about the trade gets into Denver shopping Portis and why the Redskins threw in the 2nd rounder.  And that's Schefter talking who is rarely wrong. 

It feels like we turned it into a case of use bidding against ourselves because Gibbs wanted an running back

 

 

 

10 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

I’m as big a Redskins fan  as anyone.  That trade was a fleecing by the Broncos. It should have been Champ for Portis and something else.  Maybe a third or fourth. It had already become a passing league, the RB was already starting to become less valuable.  Gibbs didn’t really know that yet (his first year back) and Vinny was a boob.

Could you imagine if we kept that 2nd and got a 4th from Denver a throw in?  It could have been:

Champ

 

For

 

Portis

2nd - Bob Sanders

4th - Jared Allen

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10 minutes ago, hatchetwound said:

 

 

It feels like we turned it into a case of use bidding against ourselves because Gibbs wanted an running back

 

 

Shanny played Cerrato like a fiddle more than once.  It became a running joke on the board back then which is Vinny don't take Shanny's call! 😀  Back then they had such an odd disregard for any draft pick that wasn't a first rounder.  Throwing in a 2nd rounder because Denver threatened to trade Portis to Dallas (per Schefter) seems soooo Vinny and Dan. 

 

That trade is considered by many as one of the worst trades made in this century.  I don't know if I'd go as far as that. But IMO it was bad.  It came off to me as the perfect marriage of Gibbs at the time still married to his 80s style offenses and Cerrato/Dan's bizarre disregard for non first round picks.  If they are willing to give up 2 high picks for Duckett and Lloyd what's the big deal about throwing a 2nd for a player of Portis' caliber?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/758190-nfltrade-history-the-9-worst-trades-of-the-2000s#slide1 

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2 hours ago, JSSkinz said:

Why in the world is the athletic training staff giving medical advice as to what should or shouldn't be looked at by a real doctor?

 

That seems suspect to me unless they are PA's.

 

 

 

The Athletic Training Staff actually includes folks who are medically trained. They aren’t just random dudes. 😛 

 

Larry Hess himself has a Master’s degree in Physical Therapy which is an allied health profession. So he carries with him some level of authority in terms of diagnosis. 

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What was odd about the Portis trade was that he had to add 20 pounds to be Joe's Riggo back.

 

Portis amassed 5.5 per carry at ~205. He came here and was up around 225 IIRC.  It wasn't just us fans that saw the difference. Those blitzing LBs got a new taste of "The Propane" Portis.

 

Why not just target a bigger back?

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18 hours ago, JSSkinz said:

I think you're underestimating the number of infections that occur from surgery.

 

This has happened around the league for years, the Bucs had a huge issue with it a few years back, it's just everyone hates on our Skins so it's amplified for us.

 

Personally, I think the whole "our doctors are terrible" is a bunch of BS.  I don't see why anyone would hire inept doctors to protect assets worth millions, it makes no sense.

 

 

 

If I remember correctly, there was a rash of MRSA outbreaks with one or two teams a few years ago. That's serious. Deadly, even. I realize the sportsball media in the DMV looooooooves to pile on the 'Skins, but a year ago Colt was the "in case of emergency break glass" QB and now they're saying "OMG OUR SAVIOR IS OUT DAN SNYDER MUST DIE!!!!!!1111"

 

In other words, it's more foolishness on their part.

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Raise your hand if you think TW will ever suit up in Burg and Gold again.

 

At this point there are only 2 options:

1) Trade him for anything you can get.

2) Play hardball and let him sit out the remainder of his contract, accruing fines and the media storm that goes along with.

 

Even if he reluctantly reports, do you really want his attitude towards the organization in the locker room?

 

IMHO, TW has been overpaid for the amount of time he has been on the field. He has NOT been  the premier LT in the league  but is firmly in the top 8 over the last few years.

He has had games where premier Pass Rushers have beaten him consistently, and the injury bug and age are catching up to him.

 

This fallout is a direct correlation with the lack of attention that the OL and DL had for years until the last few drafts. If we stay the course we are a couple of stud OL away from dominate lines on D and O, and with Haskins growth and some young WRs, and Guice, our core of an explosive Offense will begin to jell.

 

If TW was concerned about his health, he can afford to go see a specialist and get a 2nd opinion. He is responsible for his health, not the team or team doctors. Unless there is a contract clause that says you cannot go see a specialist on your own, the whole "issue" is manufactured.

 

If I had to bet, I would guess that TW is not going to take the $$ hit that sitting out the season would result in and will report sometime after preseason is done by the 3rd game at the latest. 

 

I would love his talent on the line, but at this point his attitude towards the organization as a whole would be too negative to let him in the locker room.

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, jbird said:

Raise your hand if you think TW will ever suit up in Burg and Gold again.

 

At this point there are only 2 options:

1) Trade him for anything you can get.

2) Play hardball and let him sit out the remainder of his contract, accruing fines and the media storm that goes along with.

 

Even if he reluctantly reports, do you really want his attitude towards the organization in the locker room?

 

IMHO, TW has been overpaid for the amount of time he has been on the field. He has NOT been  the premier LT in the league  but is firmly in the top 8 over the last few years.

He has had games where premier Pass Rushers have beaten him consistently, and the injury bug and age are catching up to him.

 

This fallout is a direct correlation with the lack of attention that the OL and DL had for years until the last few drafts. If we stay the course we are a couple of stud OL away from dominate lines on D and O, and with Haskins growth and some young WRs, and Guice, our core of an explosive Offense will begin to jell.

 

If TW was concerned about his health, he can afford to go see a specialist and get a 2nd opinion. He is responsible for his health, not the team or team doctors. Unless there is a contract clause that says you cannot go see a specialist on your own, the whole "issue" is manufactured.

 

If I had to bet, I would guess that TW is not going to take the $$ hit that sitting out the season would result in and will report sometime after preseason is done by the 3rd game at the latest. 

 

I would love his talent on the line, but at this point his attitude towards the organization as a whole would be too negative to let him in the locker room.

 

 

 

He can't sit out the remainder of his contract.  He can sit for 10 years and if he decides he wants to play again then he will still be under contract with the Redskins for 2 more years. 

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2 minutes ago, RandyHolt said:

I will take option 3

 

Play softball with him. As Galdi said, have Dan and Jay fly out and have lunch with him, and give one final proper attempt to bring him back.  Completely remove Bruce from the situation.

 

Forget flying out to have lunch, Invite him to a private lunch with Jay and Doug to work out any issues. 

 

Leave Dan out of it. This is what he pays people to take care of. If Bruce is the issue, then Dan and the organization needs to decide if Bruce is a liability or asset based on the behind the scenes handling of the situation.

 

Just cause you have a beef and hold-out does not mean that the owner comes flying out to make everything better. Gotta be understanding and give and take on both sides.

3 minutes ago, nonniey said:

He can't sit out the remainder of his contract.  He can sit for 10 years and if he decides he wants to play again then he will still be under contract with the Redskins for 2 more years. 

 

Got it. So eventually if he wants to play again, he has to pick up the phone and call Jay or Bruce.

 

Let it simmer, and then if he comes in with unrealistic demands, let him sit or trade him for a ham sammich.

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5 minutes ago, jbird said:

Raise your hand if you think TW will ever suit up in Burg and Gold again.

 

At this point there are only 2 options:

1) Trade him for anything you can get.

2) Play hardball and let him sit out the remainder of his contract, accruing fines and the media storm that goes along with.

 

Fair question and agree with the two options except the trade him for anything. There has to a value set. If you get the right value, by all means you trade him. If not, then wait him out. 

 

 

5 minutes ago, jbird said:

 

Even if he reluctantly reports, do you really want his attitude towards the organization in the locker room?

 

Regardless of peoples perception, my view is that he is entirely too much a professional than to come in and half ass it. That does not hurt the FO as much as it hurts his teammates. And he is a very much a great teammate. 

 

5 minutes ago, jbird said:

 

IMHO, TW has been overpaid for the amount of time he has been on the field. He has NOT been  the premier LT in the league  but is firmly in the top 8 over the last few years.

He has had games where premier Pass Rushers have beaten him consistently, and the injury bug and age are catching up to him.

 

This is where you really got off road here. Overpaid? By what metric? He has not gotten routinely trucked consistently. That is just not true. Just like most everyone here, I have seen every minute of every game. You would have to provide m,e proof of this statement as I do not believe it exists. Has he gotten beaten? Yes, all players get beaten from time to time. He has been playing at a top 1 to 3 LT level when  he is in. 

 

5 minutes ago, jbird said:

 

This fallout is a direct correlation with the lack of attention that the OL and DL had for years until the last few drafts. If we stay the course we are a couple of stud OL away from dominate lines on D and O, and with Haskins growth and some young WRs, and Guice, our core of an explosive Offense will begin to jell.

 

If TW was concerned about his health, he can afford to go see a specialist and get a 2nd opinion. He is responsible for his health, not the team or team doctors. Unless there is a contract clause that says you cannot go see a specialist on your own, the whole "issue" is manufactured.

 

This has nothing to do with cost. In fact he can get a second opinion on the team. It has nothing to do with his money. But you should be able to trust those charged with your care and health. They are supposed to have your best interest in hand. And he did go see a specialist so this part of the rant is moot. In the end though, it really does not matter if we can see any reason to his position. It is his health. Perception is reality. As for the issue being manufactured - yea he sat home one day and said, you know what I will be pissed at the team, not collect almost $11M owed me this year and potentially another $12M next, for what, because he is a bad guy? Yea this will be fun!!  C'mon that makes zero sense. 

 

5 minutes ago, jbird said:

 

If I had to bet, I would guess that TW is not going to take the $$ hit that sitting out the season would result in and will report sometime after preseason is done by the 3rd game at the latest. 

 

I would love his talent on the line, but at this point his attitude towards the organization as a whole would be too negative to let him in the locker room.

 

 

You may be right about him reporting if they hold out. That is a lot of money to leave on the table even for principle. And he loves football and wants to play with his guys. But where I disagree completely is that if he comes back to play he will give 100%. He will not half ass it. He would not do that to his teammates. 

 

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34 minutes ago, ntotoro said:

 

If I remember correctly, there was a rash of MRSA outbreaks with one or two teams a few years ago. That's serious. Deadly, even. I realize the sportsball media in the DMV looooooooves to pile on the 'Skins, but a year ago Colt was the "in case of emergency break glass" QB and now they're saying "OMG OUR SAVIOR IS OUT DAN SNYDER MUST DIE!!!!!!1111"

 

In other words, it's more foolishness on their part.

One thing I find truly weird about those who beat the drum about the media being biased against the Skins...

 

Did everyone just wake up one day and think, man - I’ve got to kill the Skins, because this is a surefire way to success? I just don’t understand the end game there.

 

The issue is the Redskins are the gift that keeps on giving when it comes to being mediocre in numerous facets.  That doesn’t change with a few good drafts. 

 

There are some fans left who love love to play the “yeah, but such and such does it too” game that is eerily similar to my son when he screws up. My son is 12.  “But dad, my friends do X too!” 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

One thing I find truly weird about those who beat the drum about the media being biased against the Skins...

 

Did everyone just wake up one day and think, man - I’ve got to kill the Skins, because this is a surefire way to success? I just don’t understand the end game there.

 

The issue is the Redskins are the gift that keeps on giving when it comes to being mediocre in numerous facets.  That doesn’t change with a few good drafts. 

 

There are some fans left who love love to play the “yeah, but such and such does it too” game that is eerily similar to my son when he screws up. My son is 12.  “But dad, my friends do X too!”

 

No, it's because they've used the legitimate drama that has occurred with this team as well as the years of ineptitude on the field as a drum to gather the masses about every single thing. It becomes wearisome. If Player A has a toenail removed, you'll see CSN devote an entire day to the medical staff and how this one incident is related to Trent Williams and Su'a Cravens, even though Cravens is a legitimate clown with mental health issues going back to college and maybe even beyond. 

 

If this team had any kind of success, which the media and even fans know is still off a ways, they wouldn't know what to do with themselves. The "others do it, too" argument is fair in the sense that some medical issues aren't unique to the Redskins. The one thing they all have in common? No one really knows what's going on, ultimately.

 

A year ago, no one wanted Colt on the field. Now the DMV sportsball media is suddenly crying the sky is falling because he isn't... ? Seriously, that's messed up stuff.

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29 minutes ago, ntotoro said:

 

No, it's because they've used the legitimate drama that has occurred with this team as well as the years of ineptitude on the field as a drum to gather the masses about every single thing. It becomes wearisome. If Player A has a toenail removed, you'll see CSN devote an entire day to the medical staff and how this one incident is related to Trent Williams and Su'a Cravens, even though Cravens is a legitimate clown with mental health issues going back to college and maybe even beyond. 

 

If this team had any kind of success, which the media and even fans know is still off a ways, they wouldn't know what to do with themselves. The "others do it, too" argument is fair in the sense that some medical issues aren't unique to the Redskins. The one thing they all have in common? No one really knows what's going on, ultimately.

 

A year ago, no one wanted Colt on the field. Now the DMV sportsball media is suddenly crying the sky is falling because he isn't... ? Seriously, that's messed up stuff.

This is a very dramatic take which is ironic considering you are calling out the media for over-dramatizing things.  The things you say we'll see, I'm not seeing.  We appear to be much more harsh here than they ever are on TV or radio.  Guys on CSN like JP Finlay are at Redskins Park all the time and his entire career is built around relationships there.  Which is why we don't see him on there airing out the Skins like you portray everyone to do.  

 

If this team had any kind of success, big IF there ntotoro.  I agree they wouldn't know what to do with themselves, because they rarely experience it.  What I can say for certain, is everyone gets behind the team when they sniff even just a tad bit of success.  Think the twice a decade, late season runs we've been witness to since Dan bought the team.

 

I'm interested to know what sportsball media you are reading, watching and listening to, because I haven't seen any of them claiming the sky is falling as a result of Colt being injured.  Nobody was booking flights to the Super Bowl there, hoss.  It's more about the oddity that is Colt McCoy, of whom Jay said specifically he was rushed back, and is still unable to play.  it's just another notch on the bedpost of oddity that exists in Ashburn.  

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I am in a business that deals heavily with the media especially press and bloggers.  I've had jobs were my tasks were specifically about turning around bad coverage.  And there is an art to doing it.  My 2 cents on this relating to the Redskins.

 

A.  If the people that the media deals with are likable it goes a long way to getting good coverage.  The "media" are people.  People skills are central to managing people covering you.   I don't know if you all recall the story of Jay bringing pizza to his intro press conferences.  There is often a connection to being likable and getting good press.  Plenty in the press have talked about it.  I've seen it first hand.  There isn't a perfect correlation between likability and good press but the correlation is pretty strong.   I don't think it's a wild coincidence that Jay gets mostly favorable coverage by the press and some other people at Redskins Park do not. 

 

B.  Some within the sports media (especially draft geeks, analytic types like football outsiders, Sharp, etc) have become obsessed with who buys the groceries.   The GM has become the symbol of a team's competence.  Look at the coverage of the Browns now versus pre Dorsey?  Our own coverage was a lot better when Scot was here IMO.  That's no coincidence.   The guy at our helm is seen by many football observers as a clown.  How many surveys have we seen with him ranked as the absolute worst GM in the league?  That alone will color coverage in a way which presumes that we aren't a competent organization.   

 

That point has impinged on some of the coverage of the medical stuff with Trent among other things.  Heck we got three different people covering the story blaming Bruce as part of the pie with Trent and that Trent doesn't care for the dude.  I honestly have no idea if it's true or not but it comes with the turf considering what so many think of him.  Whether its deserved or not is a different conversation. But I think its tough to argue that the national media doesn't respect Bruce aside from an anomaly or two.   When Scot was here it was mostly the reverse of that.

 

C.  This one I think is the kicker and gets underplayed in this type of discussion.  Passive aggressive leaks that slam players leaving, coaches, personnel types, etc aren't looked kindly by many in the press because they know how it comes about.  If I want to slam someone anonymously -- it's not tough to do so with leaks to the press.  So the series of this stuff over the years going back to Gregg Williams supposedly slamming Gibbs as justification for why he wasn't hired, Scot, Kirk, the Shanny-RG3 rodeo, etc.  All of that stuff makes the FO seem slimy.  And it doesn't help that a reporter from Tampa's press called Bruce the Prince of Darkness.   And the Dan socializing with his players makes him look weird.  Can you imagine Mara for example going bowling, and dancing to the music with Eli? 

 

It gives this organization a slimy/weird vibe to it.  Does that result in hyperbole as for this organization being slammed?  No doubt it does.  Some FO defenders like to rally against the hyperbole.  I actually at times agree with that but where some of them lose me is the hyperbole doesn't also disprove the real stuff, too.  It's like for example you dislike a dude for 10 reasons and someone else brings up an additional 3 things that you think is hyperbole and wrong.  That still doesn't disprove the other 10 things.   It just means that the dude is so dislikable that they don't get the benefit of the doubt and people are just dying to pile on.  And no I don't feel sorry for that dude being piled on to because it comes with the turf. 

 

It cuts both ways IMO.  The Patriots for example I find get exaggerated hype for their moves.   They've made for example some bad trades, picks, etc.  They don't walk on water but the press they get give the vibe they can do no wrong.  We are on the reverse side of the stick.  But my point is the fact that others are willing to believe the worst in them is a point they earned.  Just like the Patriots have earned the exaggerated praise. 

 

As a fan it does bother me some so I get those that are upset about it but it is what it is and they've walked into it.  It will only change when they prove they can win.   If you go through the Football Outsiders preview of the season -- most of that preview is just a diatribe about how stupid and sleazy the organization is in their view.  And I disagreed with at least 50% of their points.  But it's sad to me that it's so fashionable to dislike this franchise.  The owner has a lot to do with this.  But if they did hire someone at the top who is both likable and perceived to be really good at their job -- I think Dan would be shocked at how much the coverage of this team would improve.  Ditto if they stop the act of nasty leaks versus whomever walks out that door who they don't like. 

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

This is a very dramatic take which is ironic considering you are calling out the media for over-dramatizing things.  The things you say we'll see, I'm not seeing.  We appear to be much more harsh here than they ever are on TV or radio.  Guys on CSN like JP Finlay are at Redskins Park all the time and his entire career is built around relationships there.  Which is why we don't see him on there airing out the Skins like you portray everyone to do.  

 

If this team had any kind of success, big IF there ntotoro.  I agree they wouldn't know what to do with themselves, because they rarely experience it.  What I can say for certain, is everyone gets behind the team when they sniff even just a tad bit of success.  Think the twice a decade, late season runs we've been witness to since Dan bought the team.

 

I'm interested to know what sportsball media you are reading, watching and listening to, because I haven't seen any of them claiming the sky is falling as a result of Colt being injured.  Nobody was booking flights to the Super Bowl there, hoss.  It's more about the oddity that is Colt McCoy, of whom Jay said specifically he was rushed back, and is still unable to play.  it's just another notch on the bedpost of oddity that exists in Ashburn.  

 

We're more harsh here because everyone has nothing else to do it seems LOL!

 

You want to know my honest opinion? I don't believe the team will ever win another Superbowl in my lifetime. I'm 46 and hoping that's a very long lifetime, but not optimistic. It doesn't contradict with my belief that the local media feeds off the drama and legitimate lack of success. They did the same thing to the Caps, even after winning three Presidents Trophies, until they won the Stanley Cup. This year will be interesting for them, in that sense.

 

I was watching CSN the last few mornings (I usually watch NCIS: LA reruns, but was curious) and the beat reporters and personalities talk about Colt's absence as if that's the reason for a lost season and symptomatic of what's wrong with the medical staff. That they took Su'a Cravens' rants seriously at all shows how desperate they can be as a lot.

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3 hours ago, JSSkinz said:

Why in the world is the athletic training staff giving medical advice as to what should or shouldn't be looked at by a real doctor?

 

That seems suspect to me unless they are PA's.

 

 

 

I’m really unsure and this was the point of my last couple of posts. The athletic trainer’s responsibility should not and is not to diagnose ANYTHING from a medical standpoint. They should not be the ones that Trent is asking advice about a cyst on his head. If Trent asked their advice and they tried to brush it under the rug just so that there wasn’t any way he would miss any time, now THATs a problem. But that’s not what I’ve heard, I had heard he asked their advice and they didn’t think it was a big deal but to seek a second opinion aka go to the doctor Trent if you are concerned and unsure about a lump on your head. 

 

@ntotoro Don’t even bother man. Somehow even after you explain things over and over again the same posters came back with the same dumb questions about why are the Redskins a target with the media? The fact is that years of ineptitude is an integral reason. It was years of Snyder playing fantasy football and fostering a toxic culture, ultimately bearing bad on the field results. The media didn’t just decide to pick on poor Dan and the Skins. That being said, even when things do appear to have changed from collecting talent standpoint, continuity standpoint, just overall organizational standpoint, they aren’t going to earn the benefit of the doubt until wins are generated on the field. And there certainly are cases where mole hills are made into mountains “Just cause Skins.” And then god forbid you point out how maybe someone who is at odds with Redskins Brass (Trent in this case) shares some culpability as well. People have brain aneurysms when you suggest anything outside of the typical crap on the Skins exercise. It was the same with Kirk, same with Scott, and so on and so on. People latch onto those situations and agree with the players or members who are at odds with the Top Brass and dismiss any context or wrong doing that doesn’t fit with their agenda because they are so convinced that things will always be the same. When there’s tangible evidence that it is NOT the same, at all. I’ll sit back and enjoy having a potential franchise QB and some awesome surrounding pieces, young pieces, while the masses can dwell on the past and get sucked into every media related **** storm surrounding the Skins.

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2 minutes ago, ntotoro said:

I was watching CSN the last few mornings (I usually watch NCIS: LA reruns, but was curious) and the beat reporters and personalities talk about Colt's absence as if that's the reason for a lost season and symptomatic of what's wrong with the medical staff. That they took Su'a Cravens' rants seriously at all shows how desperate they can be as a lot.

That's news to me as I've never really heard anything like that about Colt as if he's some savior of the season by anyone, media/fans/etc.  But I can absolutely see the parallels in regards to the injury given the Trent issue.  Jay himself came out and said that he believes both Colt and they, being the team, rushed him back too fast.  That's not a good look for a team in the midst of beef with it's top player over medical issues.  Just because Su'a is immature doesn't automatically falsify anything he has to say about the medical staff.  it all goes into the soup of what's going on right now about the team.  If the team playing on the field actually looked really good, there would be less time to talk about all the drama.  But here we inevitably are...

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21 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

One thing I find truly weird about those who beat the drum about the media being biased against the Skins...

 

Did everyone just wake up one day and think, man - I’ve got to kill the Skins, because this is a surefire way to success? I just don’t understand the end game there.

 

The issue is the Redskins are the gift that keeps on giving when it comes to being mediocre in numerous facets.  That doesn’t change with a few good drafts. 

 

There are some fans left who love love to play the “yeah, but such and such does it too” game that is eerily similar to my son when he screws up. My son is 12.  “But dad, my friends do X too!” 

 

 

 

Did you see how long it too for the 1991 Redskins to be appreciated as a truly great team?  Why are so few members of Joe Gibbs Redskins in the Hall of Fame

 

Between the accusations of racism based on the name to how disliked Washington DC is since it's the nations capital it's easy to figure out why the team is either disliked or dismiess, it's an easy target

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