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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
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!!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

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33 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

This may sound crazy, but I dont think we should trade Trent even if he continues the hold out.

 

Duane Brown is a good example here in that he tried to force his way out of Houston, but the amount of fines and lost pay was about to get to a level of straight rediculous and he returned around midseason.  By then he should be more then well rested and hopefully fully healthy. 

The comparison to Brown may not apply. It sounds like Trent is willing to sit out all year and is financially secure. If he goes to a different team then he doesn’t need to pay any fines. The Redskins could go after part of his last signing bonus but probably won’t be able to recoup. 

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4 minutes ago, skinsfan93 said:

The comparison to Brown may not apply. It sounds like Trent is willing to sit out all year and is financially secure. If he goes to a different team then he doesn’t need to pay any fines. The Redskins could go after part of his last signing bonus but probably won’t be able to recoup. 

 

So here's an interesting tidbit I found about why he actually ended his hold out (also with two years left and no guaranteed money)

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/duane-brown-returns-to-texans-after-lengthy-holdout-that-cost-him-millions/

 

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It's no surprise that Brown decided to report now. To earn an accrued season on his contract, Brown has to be active in at least six games for the Texans. If he didn't hit that number, then the 2017 season wouldn't count toward his contract and he'd be locked to the Texans through the 2019 season. 

 

 

If I'm reading this correctly, Brown came back because if he didn't, he would've had to stay an extra season because he intentionally didn't play for one of them.  So if Trent held out for the entire 2019 season, he wouldn't be a free agent at the end of 2020 season, he'd have to stay until end of 2021 season.  He can't just not play and expect to hit free agency when he's supposed to, so if he wants to play football at all he won't have a choice but to do it for us if we don't trade him.  Either play for us so you can leave the right way via free agency or don't play at all.

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3 hours ago, FrFan said:

Gruden is very optimistic he will return but says he's not sure what it would take to get him to come back ! :wacko::wtf:

 

Don't most holdouts end with the player returning to his team? Maybe that's why he's optimistic

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1 hour ago, Renegade7 said:

 

So here's an interesting tidbit I found about why he actually ended his hold out (also with two years left and no guaranteed money)

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/duane-brown-returns-to-texans-after-lengthy-holdout-that-cost-him-millions/

 

 

If I'm reading this correctly, Brown came back because if he didn't, he would've had to stay an extra season because he intentionally didn't play for one of them.  So if Trent held out for the entire 2019 season, he wouldn't be a free agent at the end of 2020 season, he'd have to stay until end of 2021 season.  He can't just not play and expect to hit free agency when he's supposed to, so if he wants to play football at all he won't have a choice but to do it for us if we don't trade him.  Either play for us so you can leave the right way via free agency or don't play at all.

 

I think that the accrued season angle was discussed about 20-30 pages ago, I don't actually understand it myself, but someone said that he had already accrued the year. I never saw anybody challange this so assumed it was true.

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20 minutes ago, London Kev said:

 

I think that the accrued season angle was discussed about 20-30 pages ago, I don't actually understand it myself, but someone said that he had already accrued the year. I never saw anybody challange this so assumed it was true.

 

Interesting.  If its true it will come up again, but that doesnt make sense to me, either.  At least, if I understand it correctly, even if hes covered one year somehow, he still has two left on his contract, so...

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How can Trent already accured a season if he hasn’t played one game? Regardless the issue  is moot when he is traded.  Trade his ass I’m done with Trent.

 

 

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On 7/31/2019 at 11:49 PM, JSSkinz said:

Not sure how to take this, if Penn wants to play somewhere where he can start and he spoke with Trent before signing and still wanted to sign with us that doesn't sound good for Trent coming back.

 

 

That's apparently been verified and nobody should be expecting TW back in DC.

On 7/31/2019 at 11:50 PM, hatchetwound said:

I don't know how to embed tweets, but I just saw one from Dov Kleiman saying that the Redskins are in active talks with teams to trade Trent and there is a belief the patriots are interested.

This is also been verified to be FALSE. 

 

Current theme is that the Skins FO hired a consulting firm to investigate TW claims of negligence and that the claims were unfounded and no signs of negligence.  The had to do this as part of a CYA from a legal standpoint should TW decide to sue for Malpractice. 

 

TW apparently did tell Penn that he's not going to ever play for the Skins again and would retire if he's not traded...so the LT spot was his and to have at it...so, Penn decided to sign.  Don't ask me to post links or whatever because I don't have time for that BS. 

 

The unraveling of the TW saga looks like the Skins are set to call his bluff and fine him (which he says he doesn't care about), then ultimately make him pay back signing bonus money in order to retire (via law suit - hence the Skins CYA Medical Staff consulting evaluation). 

 

I've been over the TW crap from the early onset.  Moving on. 

 

9 minutes ago, skinsfan93 said:

How can Trent already accured a season if he hasn’t played one game? Regardless the issue  is moot when he is traded.  Trade his ass I’m done with Trent.

 

 

Skins FO can't do that and maintain integrity with the rest of the NFL or all the other guys on their roster.  They have to bring some pain to a player that refuses to live up to their contract or contracts no longer have any weight.  They have to at a minimum deliver some pain for this type of contractual issue for future contracts to be valid. 

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So we’re just gonna gloss over the whole “Dunkin’ Donuts taste as good as Krispy Kreme” issue?...

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25 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

Interesting.  If its true it will come up again, but that doesnt make sense to me, either.  At least, if I understand it correctly, even if hes covered one year somehow, he still has two left on his contract, so...

He's under contract for two more seasons.  If he doesn't show up, he gets no credit.  Still owes the skins 2 years.  That's been discussed by a number of network analysts. If we think of it this way... He doesn't show up to play this year, he just doesn't get paid and continues to accrue fines.  Skins won't waive those fines unless he comes back and agrees to play out his contract.  Why would they? 

If he decides to retire, then he has to pay back the portion of the signing bonus he was paid in advance in order to do so.  This likely would be a law suit (as this has been done before and the player always loses).  Only way he doesn't have to pay it back is if he can prove Medical Malpractice in that first lawsuit and then goes after the Skins and Doctors for Malpractice...but wasn't any Malpractice. 

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The Redskins hold so many cards in this situation it's hard to mess this up.

 

Not competitor team, need to rebuild... check

 

Wait it out through pre-season, while other teams lose players in all likelihood or lose faith in players and LT market builds...check

 

Have player under contract so really all he can do is mope/not play and not get paid...check

 

Player eventually realizes that if he doesn't report, he doesn't get the $$... Check

 

Really, it doesn't matter what TW wants, Skins should be able to do whatever they want. I hope they get some picks

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Posted (edited)

Gruden saying that he doubts they'll trade Trent is a non-issue. What's Gruden supposed to say? "Yeah, we're kind of desperate to find someone willing to trade for him with the right offer. Right now it's all low-round picks, but if we admit that all the offers are low, nobody will be dumb enough to offer higher-value picks. Please don't tell anyone that the offers are low." Of course not. Mike Tomlin didn't do it for Antonio Brown, Gruden won't do it for Williams. If Trent comes back, he wasn't thrown under the bus so it's a win. If Trent gets traded, Gruden's in-depth commentary on whether one of his players gets traded still has no value.

 

Gruden is a glorified cheerleader when it comes to media commentary about FO moves. His one job is to not throw anybody related to the team under the bus. He did his job.

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12 hours ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

 

Very little of this situation is adding up.

If you take all the pieces of this puzzle, you can't put them together.

It's almost like all the puzzle pieces are from completely different puzzles.

I do agree, Gruden is puzzled ;). I wish he would have said we want Trent to comeback and we're working on that. No need to share with the medias he doesn't know how. Sounds like BA doesn't tell him all the ins and outs imo.

 

"I’m still optimistic, very optimistic,” he said.

What makes you optimistic?

Gruden grinned.

“That will be the last Trent question I get today,” he said, his hands on the podium but his body already angled toward the door. “Thank you very much.”

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11 hours ago, Califan007 said:

So we’re just gonna gloss over the whole “Dunkin’ Donuts taste as good as Krispy Kreme” issue?...

 

Personally, I prefer Dunkin, but KKs are so good if you get them super fresh and hot.....

 

If we get a great offer, trade him.  If not, let him sit.

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9 minutes ago, sempre_victrix said:

 

Personally, I prefer Dunkin, but KKs are so good if you get them super fresh and hot.....

 

If we get a great offer, trade him.  If not, let him sit.

 

KK is just basically the hot glazed donut, good but one dimensional.  Dunkin with much better coffee and more choices.

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If they are serious about not trading. Danny should just send out another tv and say play or you'll be home until your contact expires in 2 years... Good luck.

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12 minutes ago, MariusVT said:

If they are serious about not trading. Danny should just send out another tv and say play or you'll be home until your contact expires in 2 years... Good luck.

If he doesn't play, his contract would never expire until he officially retires.  At least that's how I understand it

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On 7/30/2019 at 1:29 PM, Peregrine said:

If anyone thinks us signing two tackles that no one else in the league wanted is keeping Trent up at nights, then they are pretty naive.  He knew full well that the team is capable of signing backups off the street and considered that when he decided to hold out.  That isnt a surprise to anyone and it doesnt change anything, and absolutely nothing hes going to do from here on out will be influenced by that.

 

And if he holds out the whole year, then its pretty obvious money doesnt even factor into his decision making.

 

He wont be here the whole year if he continues to hold out. And yes. Penn does influence his decision. Penn isnt Williams. But he isnt a scrub either.

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1 hour ago, MariusVT said:

If they are serious about not trading. Danny should just send out another tv and say play or you'll be home until your contact expires in 2 years... Good luck.

It's Daniel around these parts, lol(he hates being called Daniel haha)

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@incarceratedbob

This should be big week for Trent Williams rumors. #NFL Skins are attempting one last push to get him back into fold, if it fails you could see teams starting to make serious trade offers.

1:05 pm · 4 Aug 2019·Twitter for iPhone

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23 hours ago, Califan007 said:

So we’re just gonna gloss over the whole “Dunkin’ Donuts taste as good as Krispy Kreme” issue?...

You are missing a key aspect to the issue...

 

FRESH Dunkin Donuts.

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On 8/3/2019 at 8:32 PM, Califan007 said:

So we’re just gonna gloss over the whole “Dunkin’ Donuts taste as good as Krispy Kreme” issue?...

 

Then again, it was mostly speculation and un-verified sources and rumors

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12 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

 

Then again, it was mostly speculation and un-verified sources and rumors

 

I think I found the tweet that ties this all together

 

 

 

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Just Kidding........

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The situation I don't want to happen is we are all still talking about this in 2 weeks time, I believe Trent Williams in my opinion has been 1 of the all-time Redskins greats, but 1 player does not make a team, if he doesn't want to be a Redskin then Trade him NOW not in 3 weeks just before the start of the season. 

 

HTTR 

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