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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
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!!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

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Call me crazy, but I've always believed there was much more to this story than anything Sheehan or really anyone else 'reporting' on this can shed light onto.  Still do.  I have a hard time believing that not showing up to camp all boils down to the Skins docs telling him to get a 2nd opinion, he doesn't and is now pissed at them for what?  Just doesn't make any sense.

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2 minutes ago, Unbias said:

 

 in fairness he's probably been going to these guys for the past 9 years for anything. From an ingrown toe nail to a tumor Trent has probably put a lot of trust in these guys. 

 

#1. That's ridiculous. He's a multi-millionaire. He should be getting checked by the best he can find a few times a year. His body is his paycheck. Go read what James Harrison did to keep himself right for all those years. Own you health.

 

#2. Trent was the no-show mini-camp guy for years. That's when you're also getting med checks. If he was only relying on Redskins docs. Then he's an idiot. Did he go to them so for a toothache also?

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3 minutes ago, Unbias said:

 

Well, it sounds like they diagnosed it as a cyst, not a tumor. So, there was a misdiagnosis on there end. They did recommend a second opinion, but then said it's not serious, so sort of back tracked. 

 

I agree team doctors are not the same as a real doctor and Trent has some responsibility for not getting a second opinion, but in fairness he's probably been going to these guys for the past 9 years for anything. From an ingrown toe nail to a tumor Trent has probably put a lot of trust in these guys. 

There's a really huge disconnect here. If the team doctors said he should get a 2nd opinion...... That was their recommendation: Get a second opinion. They already said that they don't know for certain, what more are they supposed to do? Go back to college for a weeks, study tumors, and then come back and give him a new diagnosis?

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23 minutes ago, wit33 said:

 

The narrative will shift to it being all Bruce’s fault. At some point, it will be proven Bruce misdiagnosed Williams. 

Whatever it takes to send him packing.  Although, Bruce could have super powers and placed the bump on Trents head himself and I still think he survives it.

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3 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Call me crazy, but I've always believed there was much more to this story than anything Sheehan or really anyone else 'reporting' on this can shed light onto.  Still do.  I have a hard time believing that not showing up to camp all boils down to the Skins docs telling him to get a 2nd opinion, he doesn't and is now pissed at them for what?  Just doesn't make any sense.

 

If the current story/info is true and he put off getting a 2nd opinion and is now bitter/angry at the team, then he's acting like a childish little **** imo. 

 

If it's something else, money or just wanting to go to a new team that's consistently in the playoffs or a SB contender, well, he's still acting like a childish little **** by not just coming out and saying that and hiding behind the current story (assuming this story/info holds up over time).

 

 

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9 minutes ago, @SkinsGoldPants said:

 

Agreed, the NFLPA put that in their CBA for this very reason. Team Doctors AREN'T Oncologists. If you have a weird bump and they said it was nothing to worry about. Then ****ing say that already. That's serious enough IMO to bring to light. But if that wasn't the case and they were unsure or didn't know. He still went to get that 2nd opinion as per the CBA and had it taken care of. 

 

If this is really him also being salty over a 3rd round project tackle when he's missing games. Well, then that's on him for being weak-minded. 

 

The team won't come out and say anything negative about their medical staff. I think it was the Eagles having a bunch of misdiagnosed items (didn't Wentz play a couple games with a broken back?). It's a bad look for the team especially when they are at the start of a season and can't do too much about it. 

 

If this is about the training staff and Trent won't budge, then I'd expect him to be traded and a lot of turnover in that department over the offseason. 

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Just now, Dont Taze Me Bro said:

 

If the current story/info is true and he put off getting a 2nd opinion and is now bitter/angry at the team, then he's acting like a childish little **** imo. 

 

If it's something else, money or just wanting to go to a new team that's consistently in the playoffs or a SB contender, well, he's still acting like a childish little **** by not just coming out and saying that and hiding behind the current story (assuming this story/info holds up over time).

So what you are saying is pretty much no matter what, Trent’s a ****.  Gotcha.  😁

 

I find it incredibly hard to believe that this is all over the team docs misdiagnosing him, telling him to go see a specialist, he doesn’t and is now mad about it.  That doesn’t make any sense at all, no matter where your biases lie.  There has got to be more to this story.

 

I also don’t believe he’s obligated in any way to say what the issue is and imagine he’s been advised to say nothing, because saying something publicly does nothing to help him.

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1 minute ago, Unbias said:

 

The team won't come out and say anything negative about their medical staff. I think it was the Eagles having a bunch of misdiagnosed items (didn't Wentz play a couple games with a broken back?). It's a bad look for the team especially when they are at the start of a season and can't do too much about it. 

 

If this is about the training staff and Trent won't budge, then I'd expect him to be traded and a lot of turnover in that department over the offseason. 

 

A lot of us have wanted a change at Med/Training for the past few years.  I also want a change in the turf management because it looks like **** so quickly. I could totally see them finally making a change after this season. It's too late for 2019 now. To keep quiet all offseason and then not show isn't the way to create positive change.

 

Players lie to stay on the field all the time. Doctors are shady and clear guys who shouldn't be playing. Fake concussion checks. Etc.

 

If he's truly concerned about his health. That's on him.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, @SkinsGoldPants said:

 

A lot of us have wanted a change at Med/Training for the past few years.  I also want a change in the turf management because it looks like **** so quickly. I could totally see them finally making a change after this season. It's too late for 2019 now. To keep quiet all offseason and then not show isn't the way to create positive change.

 

Players lie to stay on the field all the time. Doctors are shady and clear guys who shouldn't be playing. Fake concussion checks. Etc.

 

If he's truly concerned about his health. That's on him.

 

 

 

Realistically Jay is in his last year of his existing contract. With him going to war with a rookie QB chances are they go a different direction, where it might be more of a draw for the future coach to pick his own medical team. I mean, why fire the whole group this year, sign new guys to contracts that may extend past Jay's run, then have a new coach come in and not feel like he has any say in that matter?  

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The Washington Post reports the Redskins' plan to get holdout LT Trent Williams to report is to let his massive fines pile up.

Teams can fine holdouts $40,000 per day. Williams has already accrued $280,000 in penalties. The reality is, these fines are never levied and are not a realistic bargaining ploy with an All-Pro talent like Williams. It is a uniquely bad plan if the Redskins truly want to mend fences and get Williams back in time for Week 1. Only in Washington.

SOURCE: Washington Post

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24 minutes ago, Unbias said:

 

Well, it sounds like they diagnosed it as a cyst, not a tumor. So, there was a misdiagnosis on there end. They did recommend a second opinion, but then said it's not serious, so sort of back tracked. 

 

I agree team doctors are not the same as a real doctor and Trent has some responsibility for not getting a second opinion, but in fairness he's probably been going to these guys for the past 9 years for anything. From an ingrown toe nail to a tumor Trent has probably put a lot of trust in these guys. 

 

It's not backtracking at all (again, if the story is true)...

 

Ubias: Hey TD, my stomach hurts from time to time for no apparent reason. 

TD: Oh OK, well that happened to me a while back and I just cut out coffee and drank more water...but I'd definitely check with a doctor.

Ubias: Nah, I trust you. 

 

Do you consider that backtracking on my part? I'm telling you what I think (as a non-expert) but stating that you should go to an expert.  

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5 minutes ago, TD_washingtonredskins said:

 

It's not backtracking at all (again, if the story is true)...

 

Ubias: Hey TD, my stomach hurts from time to time for no apparent reason. 

TD: Oh OK, well that happened to me a while back and I just cut out coffee and drank more water...but I'd definitely check with a doctor.

Ubias: Nah, I trust you. 

 

Do you consider that backtracking on my part? I'm telling you what I think (as a non-expert) but stating that you should go to an expert.  

 

That's not the way it's being reported. Here's what I'm hearing: 

 

Unbias: Hey TD, my stomach hurts from time to time for no apparent reason. 

TD: Let me check. Looks like nothing. maybe cut out the coffee and drink more water? You should see a doctor about that. 

Unbias: Do you think it's serious? 

TD: No. 

Unbias: Thanks for your time. 

 

Remember, ultimately Trent did get a second opinion that lead to the firm diagnosis and surgery. I'm going to make an assumption here, but Trent would have explained the conversation between he and the medical staff and their recommendation. From there the doctor giving the second opinion probably wasn't too kind on the cyst diagnosis and/or advice that the medical staff provided. That's what fueled Trent's frustration. 

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1 hour ago, Cooleyfan1993 said:

The info that kevin Sheehan said on his podcast leads me to believe this is all on Trent after all. He chose to not get a 2nd opinion even though Team doctors suggested he should. Doesn’t sound like any wrongdoing of the team doctors to me. 

Which may be why he hasn't come out publicly with his side of the story, if that's true he has no recourse against the team.

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15 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

So what you are saying is pretty much no matter what, Trent’s a ****.  Gotcha.  😁

 

I find it incredibly hard to believe that this is all over the team docs misdiagnosing him, telling him to go see a specialist, he doesn’t and is now mad about it.  That doesn’t make any sense at all, no matter where your biases lie.  There has got to be more to this story.

 

I also don’t believe he’s obligated in any way to say what the issue is and imagine he’s been advised to say nothing, because saying something publicly does nothing to help him.

 

Well, he said if the current version of the medical story is true OR if it really wasn't related to the medical thing...and I'd agree. But another possibility exists: The medical staff COULD have told them that they were oncologists and were completely sure he was fine. No second opinion needed. That doesn't line up with the stories coming out, but if that were the case then I think we'd all understand Trent's point. 

 

This is looking more and more (to me) like someone who finally decided that he wanted to make a power move either to get paid more guaranteed money, get a longer contract, or get moved to a better team. It seems like he used a relatively harmless event to be the tipping point to force their hand and get some public sympathy. 

 

If indeed the interaction with the medical folks went down as Sheehan said it did, it's an awful look for Trent and his reputation should be impacted. 

1 minute ago, Unbias said:

 

That's not the way it's being reported. Here's what I'm hearing: 

 

Unbias: Hey TD, my stomach hurts from time to time for no apparent reason. 

TD: Let me check. Looks like nothing. maybe cut out the coffee and drink more water? You should see a doctor about that. 

Unbias: Do you think it's serious? 

TD: No. 

Unbias: Thanks for your time. 

 

Remember, ultimately Trent did get a second opinion that lead to the firm diagnosis and surgery. I'm going to make an assumption here, but Trent would have explained the conversation between he and the medical staff and their recommendation. From there the doctor giving the second opinion probably wasn't too kind on the cyst diagnosis and/or advice that the medical staff provided. 

 

OK, if that's the order then I still don't consider it backtracking. 

 

"Go see a doctor" is a clear cut recommendation. "I don't think it's serious" is an opinion that in no way trumps the first statement. 

 

And let's not forget the kicker here...the team doctors were RIGHT. It was benign. 

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6 minutes ago, Redskins Reparations said:

The Washington Post reports the Redskins' plan to get holdout LT Trent Williams to report is to let his massive fines pile up.

Teams can fine holdouts $40,000 per day. Williams has already accrued $280,000 in penalties. The reality is, these fines are never levied and are not a realistic bargaining ploy with an All-Pro talent like Williams. It is a uniquely bad plan if the Redskins truly want to mend fences and get Williams back in time for Week 1. Only in Washington.

SOURCE: Washington Post

 

So they are trying to negotiate with an iron fist? 

 

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5 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

So what you are saying is pretty much no matter what, Trent’s a ****.  Gotcha.  😁

 

I find it incredibly hard to believe that this is all over the team docs misdiagnosing him, telling him to go see a specialist, he doesn’t and is now mad about it.  That doesn’t make any sense at all, no matter where your biases lie.  There has got to be more to this story.

 

I also don’t believe he’s obligated in any way to say what the issue is and imagine he’s been advised to say nothing, because saying something publicly does nothing to help him.

 

If the story and new info we just got about the team telling him to get a 2nd opinion and he put if off holds up as is.........absolutely.  I agree, one would like to think that there is more to the story than what went down with his growth/cyst issue, but sometimes, people are just petty and try to use any excuse to hide their true intentions behind. 

 

Maybe there are some legit concerns over past injuries, rehab and how they handled those.  Maybe he is tired of losing and not making the playoffs and watching the FO continuously fail in terms of keeping certain players, free agency, draft etc.  And he took an opportunity to use the "misdiagnosis" (and I use this term loosely because they are not qualified to make an appropriate diagnosis in the first place) as a way out of the organization.

 

Either way, if it really is just anger over the growth/cyst and how he thinks they should have handled it or if it's money, contract, or him wanting a better team, better medical staff, etc. and he's hiding all of that behind the current story, he's acting like a ****.  I prefer someone be straight up and honest with me as that is how I am with others. 

 

 

 

 

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Sheehan and Loverro spend about 10 hours a week bashing the Skins so if Sheehan says he has info and that's how it went down then I tend to believe him.

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1 hour ago, Cooleyfan1993 said:

The info that kevin Sheehan said on his podcast leads me to believe this is all on Trent after all. He chose to not get a 2nd opinion even though Team doctors suggested he should. Doesn’t sound like any wrongdoing of the team doctors to me. 

Did you listen to the whole thing??

 

he clearly said they told him it was cyst and it was nothing to worry about but that he could/should seek a 2nd opinion

 

he eventually did. 

 

They were wrong which could have been extremely dangerous for him 

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1 minute ago, BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 said:

Did you listen to the whole thing??

 

he clearly said they told him it was cyst and it was nothing to worry about but that he could/should seek a 2nd opinion

 

he eventually did. 

 

They were wrong which could have been extremely dangerous for him 

 

<once again...assuming sheehan's account is accurate>

 

we think it's a cyst and not something you need to worry about but you should talk to a specialist

he talks to a specialist who tells him it's very serious

it turns out to be benign (read: not very serious)

 

so not only did they escalate this to someone more qualified than themselves, but they also were correct all along that it wasn't overly serious

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2 minutes ago, BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 said:

Did you listen to the whole thing??

 

he clearly said they told him it was cyst and it was nothing to worry about but that he could/should seek a 2nd opinion

 

he eventually did. 

 

They were wrong which could have been extremely dangerous for him 

They don’t have actual expertise in that area though. He should’ve gone to the 2nd opinion much sooner. He didn’t. And now he’s holding out. That, in my opinion, is on him. 

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https://nfltraderumors.co/latest-on-redskins-lt-trent-williams/

 

Latest Report on LT Trent Williams.... asked to be traded in June. Team said no. He then asked for more money... contradicts last report that said we were actively shopping TW.

 

Team hoping significant fines will make TW end holdout...

 

seems like a crapshoot.

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I hate to keep using analogies but some people are being ridiculous in here...

 

Person: There's a rattling in my car - do you think something's wrong?

Mechanic: I don't see anything wrong, but I do think you should run it past the dealership as they're better equipped to know for sure. 

Dealer: OMG, I'd start shopping for a replacement car - this sounds BAD!

Dealer: Wait, it's cool...I just needed to tighten this bolt here. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 said:

Did you listen to the whole thing??

 

he clearly said they told him it was cyst and it was nothing to worry about but that he could/should seek a 2nd opinion

 

he eventually did. 

 

They were wrong which could have been extremely dangerous for him 

If i'm being honest here, what Trent Williams had was NOT a normal situation for sports doctors. They deal with sports related injuries probably 99% of the time. I think it's obvious that it was out of the norm for them which is why they said he should seek another opinion. Being a doctor is a practice, even all the modern medicine in the world can't save you from being wrong sometimes. It's still very much trial and error, Trent should be upset but he has to understand that his growth was such a rare case for a sports doctor to look at. 

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2 minutes ago, TD_washingtonredskins said:

I hate to keep using analogies but some people are being ridiculous in here...

 

Person: There's a rattling in my car - do you think something's wrong?

Mechanic: I don't see anything wrong, but I do think you should run it past the dealership as they're better equipped to know for sure. 

Dealer: OMG, I'd start shopping for a replacement car - this sounds BAD!

Dealer: Wait, it's cool...I just needed to tighten this bolt here. 

 

 

You’re really trivializing being told that you might have a malignant tumor. 

 

I’d assume that has serious ramifications on one’s outlook.

2 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

If i'm being honest here, what Trent Williams had was NOT a normal situation for sports doctors. They deal with sports related injuries probably 99% of the time. I think it's obvious that it was out of the norm for them which is why they said he should seek another opinion. Being a doctor is a practice, even all the modern medicine in the world can't save you from being wrong sometimes. It's still very much trial and error, Trent should be upset but he has to understand that his growth was such a rare case for a sports doctor to look at. 

Now this is a take that I can understand. 

 

Good point 

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Just now, BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 said:

You’re really trivializing being told that you might have a malignant tumor. 

 

I’d assume that has serious ramifications on one’s outlook.

 

I don't mean to trivialize it at all, but he didn't. And not only didn't he, the fact that he thought he might have for some period of time really doesn't have much to do with the entity he's punishing right now. 

 

It seems very likely he latched onto this situation to try to leverage his way out of town or into more guaranteed money. 

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